Talk:2024 Indian general election

Manifesto not added

The new manifesto announced hasn’t been shown in the page.Please look into it. Cleansir1234 (talk) 09:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

format of the manifesto needs to be consistent throughout, and sectioned

the manifesto for bjp has bold letters and hyperlinked references which should be resolved 84.27.228.137 (talk) 05:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect naming of person

Hi, not an editior, did not read guidelines. Noticed that the election issues portion mentions Mr. Revanth Reddy (Chief Minister of Telangana) being arrested, while in fact Mr. Arun Reddy (as noted in the reference provided) who was arrested. Editors. kindly change at the earliest. 36.255.86.46 (talk) 07:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Dhruv edits (talk) 07:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2024

In the sub-section titled, "Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance" under the section titled, "Party campaigns", please add this, "While campaigning for the 2024 Indian general election, Trinamool Congress legislator Humayun Kabir stated that he will toss BJP followers into the Bhagirathi River, a branch of the Ganges in West Bengal, in a span of two hours after winning, as Muslims constitute 70℅ of the population of Murshidabad." 49.205.130.221 (talk) 15:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Please also add the same sentence to the India section of the Anti-Hindu sentiment article. 49.205.130.221 (talk) 15:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done: This article is about the election, not what various persons have said during the elections. It would be noteworthy enough to be mentioned in Humayun Kabir (Bharatpur politician) article, where you can make an edit request or edit yourself. — hako9 (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Investigation on Opposition - Not an election issue

Hello @Borgenland

I noticed you reverted my edits to the "Investigation into opposition" section. Could you please explain why you added this section under Election Issues? None of the citations seem to provide enough evidence that this is an election issue, which appears to violate WP:REL and WP:OR guidelines. The highlighted issues - here, do not seem to include the topic you added. Please provide reliable sources to support your reasoning.

Thanks. SpunkyGeek (talk) 18:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I had already placed more than enough multiple WP:RS to explain their relation in the elections, particularly that the Congress party has commented on the arrest of Kejriwal, the leader of the nation's capital and not some village leader (as I ought to have explained in the edit summary), which also explains why Kejriwal received significant attention outside the country during the campaign, and the washing machine reference which was picked upon by reliable sources. As for the tax predicament, I did initially use the word evasion but was overruled by subsequent editors citing doubts over the credibility of authorities on whatever to call it. Same issue goes with the corruption word. For transparency I was not responsible for any additions involving India-based refs due to prior concerns on reliability. On a friendly note, I strongly advise you not to rely on a single source, which although I regard as credible, can only tell so much. Borgenland (talk) 18:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The sources cited do not provide evidence that Kejriwal's arrest is a significant election issue for voters in the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. They primarily discuss election news and not voter concerns. The Lok Sabha elections cover the entire country, with the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) contesting only 22 out of 543 seats, indicating limited national impact. Without concrete evidence that Kejriwal's arrest is influencing voter priorities on a broader scale, including it as a major election issue may violate Wikipedia's guidelines on WP:REL and WP:OR. Therefore, the inclusion of this topic as an election issue miust be reconsidered.

Similarly, the discussion of the Congress party's funds predicament lacks sources that specifically identify it as an election issue for voters. Even publications like the BBC do not list it as a significant concern for voters in the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. Therefore, these reports appear to be news coverage rather than evidence of voter priorities. Including this topic as an election issue seems to constitute original research, aiming to present it as a voter concern without proper verification, which may violate Wikipedia's guidelines on WP:REL and WP:OR.

Thanks. SpunkyGeek (talk) 16:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

In that case I would be open to moving it to another section in this article. But at this stage I do not see reason to remove it altogether, as the events are too significant to be swept under the rug. Borgenland (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Borgenland, for acknowledging this as a valid concern.

For now, I suggest moving these information pieces to the respective party campaigns. Please relocate the Congress Party funds information here, and create a new section for the AAP where you can move the related information. SpunkyGeek (talk) 17:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Done, but I am still working on delineating the AAP in the investigations section, given that they happen to be the most prominent example in that case. Will take a while on that. Borgenland (talk) 17:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate titles

Need ideas on renaming duplicate sections (see party/coalition names) to avoid linking to the wrong chapter per reload or edit. Borgenland (talk) 17:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Sambhal incident

Sambhal alleged voter suppression ought to mentioned in the Incident subsection. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Additional Data for Voter Turnout

The phase-wise voter turnout data officially released by the Election Commission of India is trifurcated into Male, Female and Third Gender. Since the data is official and adds to the comprehension of the reader, I recommend an addition of a small table below the state-wise breakup, enumerating a phase-wise gender-wise matrix, or if it does not make the state-wise table cumbersome, which I believe will, then within the state-wise table itself.

Below are the links provided pertaining to the said data:

Primary Source - Official Press Releases as available on the ECI website:

1. Phase 1 and 2 : [1]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/Gw9Dq3DfAm.pdf

2. Phase 3 : [2]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/ioeEd7iHPy.pdf

3. Phase 4 : [3]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/Ox65vXgP2R.pdf

4. Phase 5 : [4]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/grfYnWoV4R.pdf

Secondary Source

Original Link : https://www.business-standard.com/elections/lok-sabha-election/lok-sabha-polls-women-turnout-bettered-that-of-men-in-fifth-phase-124052301530_1.html

Archived Link : https://web.archive.org/web/20240524132213/https://www.business-standard.com/elections/lok-sabha-election/lok-sabha-polls-women-turnout-bettered-that-of-men-in-fifth-phase-124052301530_1.html. --MrMarshMan (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

It has been a long time since I made this suggestion. I would like to draw everyone's attention here again, as its inclusion will make the voter turn out data more representative. MrMarshMan (talk) 12:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Verifyability: Citations no longer online:

Citations to Voter turnout that lead of a Govt Press Release appear to be saying ' The Page you have requested is not available at present. Sorry for your Inconvenience. Click here to go back  If the problem persists, please contact admin.' . No archive. Tanyasingh (talk) 17:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The seats of Kashmir have been re-demarcated, after delimitation in 2022, but the national map have not been updated

Source:https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1822939, Wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J%26K_AC_map_new.pdf, https://ceojk.nic.in/pdf/J&K%20AC%20map%20new.pdf LakhnawiNawab (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2024

Remove the region based results section which is the opposition parties play in pitting people against each other when one should promote. Internal administrative divisions (states) are already present. 37.96.38.95 (talk) 15:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Region-wise result - Consensus Required

Providing region-wise result is a new practice, as the same was not provided in pages for previous election. As with anything new, a healthy discussion is always a good practice before its implementation.

Following are the points I am placing,

1. The division of Indian states based on cardinal directions can be perceived as arbitrary since there are many definitions prevailing in public. To elaborate, the following is an extract from another Wikipedia page which pertains to "North India" : The Hindu newspaper puts Bihar, Delhi and Uttar Pradesh related articles on its North pages. Articles in the Indian press have included the states of Bihar, Gujarat, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, and West Bengal in North as well.
2. The table as of now takes only the states of Odisha and West Bengal as East India, whereas the Wikipedia page for East India also considers Bihar and Jharkhand as part of East India, so does the Zonal Councils. And then as stated above, a prominent newspaper, reports news of Bihar in its North India section.
3. Except for South India, and North East India, all other groupings are capable for producing confusing inferences within readers.
4. Things become more complicated if one assumes geography as the basis - southern half of the state of Maharashtra is as south as almost the entire state of Telangana, which is categorized as South India. Also, Rajasthan can be considered as a Western, Northern or North-Western State.
5. Even within the Government, different Ministries have their own way of dividing regions based on cardinal directions - Eg: Ministry of Culture (Cultural Zones of India), Home Ministry (Zonal Councils of India)
6. Still the data can be useful to the readers. Hence, if one were to include the table, what comprises as the said region should be provided readily.

MrMarshMan (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I recall someone did try to make a regional table months ago but got taken down citing WP:OR. Borgenland (talk) 16:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't know about that, saw the table for the first time today. and thereby felt like discussing it. MrMarshMan (talk) 17:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems like that the table is here to stay, which makes consensus building more pertinent before an edit wars start. MrMarshMan (talk) 06:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The one who removed it hasn't been back. And honestly I won't be keen on having a regional table that would be the source of future edit wars given your insights into these different parameters. Borgenland (talk) 12:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Redundancy in INC manifesto

There is a redundancy of the phrase "the manifesto promises to" before every point provided under INC Manifesto subsection. It inhibits fluency in reading and therefore needs to be removed MrMarshMan (talk) 08:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Made some fixes but the provisions need to be checked to make sure they aren't copy pasted from the original document. Borgenland (talk) 08:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Opposition alliance is named I.N.D.I.A

Opposition is INDIA, not INDI Alliance. If you want to spread BJP propaganda, WhatsApp exists.

Edit: somebody just changed it. Good.

2600:8800:1E81:73F0:E93F:CE20:48B0:CF7E (talk) 22:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Rahul Gandhi as PM candidate

Congress President Mallikarjun Kharge has put forward the name of Rahul Gandhi for his PM choice. Should we replace his name and image with of Rahul Gandhi's in the info box since he himself supported his candidature? Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, Congress President Mallikarjun Kharge has presented Rahul Gandhi's name as his personal preference rather than as a declaration of the position of the INDIA alliance neither explicitly nor tacitly. So I suggest we should wait for some time.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/our-great-leader-rahul-gandhi-is-my-pm-choice-kharge/articleshow/110605128.cms MrMarshMan (talk) 16:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Exit poll

somebody's terrible at math. That's not the lead, it's the majority, it's not even a majority but how many seats over the 272 mark someone's getting, fix it losers 2409:4055:4E00:F655:0:0:BF49:2602 (talk) 08:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2024

Need to add more agencies exit polls Vandanlol123 (talk) 10:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 10:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we can add Jaipur Dialogues. It's renowned youtube analysis channel with more than 1M subscribers.

https://www.youtube.com/live/yzsVZHmiq5c?si=1G2d67E_95GAbmke

There analysis is

ND Alliance- 399

INDI Alliance- 88

Others- 56

I rest this matter to senior editors......We can remove the YouTube link after verification. ArushR (talk) 21:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Total Number of seats contested by BSP

In the sub-section "Other Notable Parties and Alliances". the total number of the seats for which BSP contested has been mentioned as TBD. MrMarshMan (talk) 11:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2024

Please create a redirect for 2024 Indian Lok Sabha election to this article. Harman42 (talk) 18:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done — hako9 (talk) 04:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2024

In the infobox, below the constituency map, it should either be "a first-past-the-post election" or "an FPTP election", not "a FPTP election". The abbreviation goes eff-pee-tee-pee. 59.160.207.5 (talk) 04:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done — hako9 (talk) 04:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Time in infobox

How is it 21:41 IST already? 59.160.207.5 (talk) 08:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Impact - Last section of page incorrectly written

However, on the day the election results were announced, the Sensex crashed to the worst level in 4 years. This is incorrectly worded, it should rather mean a single day fall in 4 years, not to the worst level in 4 years. Clarkck (talk) 13:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Abki Baar 400 Par

Let's change TBD with Narendra Modi,He's already in lead ChangKai Ignit (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

No one is changing anything until WP:RS designates it as such. Please also be warned against using misleading section titles that suggest POV-pushing. Borgenland (talk) 14:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2024 (2)

Leader of the BJP party is J. P. Nadda, not Narendra Modi

Src : "https://www.google.com/search?q=bjp+leader+&sca_esv=f716cdc2862777a3&rlz=1C5CHFA_enNL1043NL1043&ei=_TlfZrHcCJankdUPw8TPgQI&udm=&ved=0ahUKEwi8rqPQqMKGAxW3SaQEHYoWFbQQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=bjp+leader" 2A02:A210:303D:1580:1884:B8BB:CAAF:F2CD (talk) 16:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sohom (talk) 21:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

Suggest merging Results of the 2024 Indian general election into the current 2024 Indian general election page per WP:DUP and WP:Overlap. The general elections overall page already has a robust section on results, broken out by the same categories as the results specific page (alliance, state, constituency), and so am not sure what the new page is adding. Plus there are bound to be referencing issues with that page (currently no references listed) and I anticipate the % change calculations will be difficult to support through WP:RS, so we'd be treading on WP:OR. Schwinnspeed (talk) 20:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Against; The Election Commission releases documents that accurate describe the %votes polled a few days after the initial results, they were used in Results of the 2019 Indian general election thereby following WP:OR. The same pages have been made for 2014 and 2019 with a more concise section the main article for results, this ongoing policy should be followed here too. Xoocit (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Against ; There is already an article for the 2009, 2014 and 2019 one, why merge this one? 52Timer (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect messaging

"This was the largest-ever election in history, surpassing the previous election, and lasted 44 days, second only to the 1951–52 Indian general election. Incumbent prime minister Narendra Modi, who completed a second term, ran for a third consecutive term. The election was criticised for lack of action on hate speeches by Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), reported Electronic Voting Machine (EVM) malfunctioning, and alleged suppression of political opponents of the BJP."

There was neither any HATE speech by PM Modi nor by BJP. This inference seems to be biased. HATE was all over the place by Rahul Gandhi including calling PM names and inciting violence between communities and castes.

Also, functioning of Enforcement agencies should not be construed as suppression of political opponents. Language should be the same when it is used to comment on US elections and suppression of Freedom of Speech in the US for example. This report is very biased against the largest functioning democracy in the world.

Please make necessary amends. 183.90.80.22 (talk) 02:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2024

I want to update the result. Nithyasarvesh (talk) 02:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GrayStorm^{(complaints department|stalk me)} 02:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2024 (2)

Under Stock moves subsection, this sentence is factually incorrect:

The day election results were announced, the Sensex fell to a four-year low.

Do people even read the sources they are citing? Modify the above sentence to:

On the day of vote counting, the Sensex and Nifty recorded their biggest intraday falls in four years.

2405:201:D002:31A1:494D:24D0:A2FB:2BF7 (talk) 03:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Wrong photo of the leader

Malikarjun Kharge didn’t even contest in this election and he said Rahul Gandhi is his choice for PM prior to the election. So it should’ve the photo of Modi vs Gandhi. This is misleading because Rahul Gandhi lead the campaign. The party President isn’t necessarily the leader since BJP’s President isn’t Modi either. Yasarhossain07 (talk) 03:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

India had collectively decided that Kharge would be the PM candidate 2409:4060:2DC5:2A77:9C6B:E641:A5A0:A74A (talk) 05:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Unable to edit

Why did the admins made this page and all other pages related to 2024 general elections protected? I've edited many things without vandalism,and now,when there are so many things to edit, I'm barred from editing. Just because I don't have the required threshold of 500 edits. Or do you think editing this page should be a monopoly of some people so that they can get some stars or strips from Wikipedia? Dipayanrao2003 (talk) 04:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dipayanrao2003 It is a Wikipedia:Contentious topics enforcement. You can read more about it in that page. — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2024 (3)

Change "Although Modi's coalition, the National Democratic Alliance (NDA), secured 293 of 543 seats in the Lok Sabha, the BJP lost its majority after the opposition showed a better-than-expected performance" to "Although Modi's coalition, the National Democratic Alliance (NDA), secured 293 of 543 seats in the Lok Sabha, the BJP lost its majority".

Seriously? Expected by who? It's a subjective statement that violates WP:VOICE and WP:NPOV. You can only guess, but never know. 2409:4073:4E9B:26CD:FDCC:8171:E780:1E3D (talk) 08:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: By exit polls? Almost all exit polls predicted a BJP majority, I think that piece of text is fine. Sohom (talk) 14:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

NDA is 292

NDA is 292 India alliance is 234 others 16 2409:40C4:1A1:2A14:902:1BC6:E358:27FD (talk) 10:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

It is supposed to be Indi alliance.-Harman42 (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2024 (4)

In the lead, please change "This was the largest-ever election in history" to either "This was the largest-ever election in India" or "This was the largest Indian election in history". As it stands, it is a tautology. 2001:BB6:47ED:FA58:49AB:E038:4D4D:7980 (talk) 10:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: provide a reliable source for your claim. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Results section showing incorrect information

BJP got 235,973,935 votes as is rightly mentioned in the infobox on the top. But in the Results section ('By alliance and party' subsection), it is incorrectly shown as 157,039,540. All the final vote tallies of the different parties are available at https://results.eci.gov.in/PcResultGenJune2024/index.htm and can be put as such on wikipedia Priyank1205 (talk) 11:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2024 (5)

AI, the creators of Chat GPT revealed that an Israeli firm used Chat GPT to generate anti-BJP propaganda during and before this election which was used on YouTube, X (formerly Twitter), facebook, Instagram and other websites. Harman42 (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add the above.-Harman42 (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2024 (6)

Please remove the sentences, "The election was criticised for lack of action on hate speeches by Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP),[9] reported Electronic Voting Machine (EVM) malfunctioning,[10][11] and alleged suppression of political opponents of the BJP." from the lead. It is not neutral. It also seems that it isn't worthy of being in the lead.-Harman42 (talk) 14:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Sohom (talk) 14:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Time to add a map?

Considering the ECI has declared every seat and results are being updated on the page, I thought now might be an appropriate time to add a map for the results. I made one here, but it doesn't necessarily need to be this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_General_Election_2024.svg . Not sure if it's too soon, but just putting it out there just in case. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 14:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@ExactlyIndeed I agree. Can I recommend making state boundaries clearer? See File:Indian General Election 2019.svg for example Soni (talk) 14:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Soni Just updated them to the same thickness as on the 2019 map. The file I linked earlier should now reflect the changes. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Added. Pretty decent map, thank you. I recommend adding lines with the arrows to each of the zoomed in cities, it's pretty hard to read without them. I can't think of other QoL changes that could be made comparing the 2019 map, but I reckon there's still more we can eventually iterate on. Soni (talk) 15:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Soni I can definitely try do that, but it might be hard because of the distance between the insets and their respective sections on the full map. I could re-arrange the insets to make that work, though. The other idea I had was to add boxes around the zoomed-in areas on the full map, and only include constituency numbers for those areas in the insets, if that makes sense. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 16:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

We can iterate over the options and see which one is easiest to understand. There's a lot of maps like this, but none of them have perfected it.

I honestly think any party which won less than 5 seats at the Lok Sabha should be bundled under "NDA (Other)", "INDIA (Other)" or "Other (Other)". There is just too many parties with similar enough symbols that this map is fairly unreadable with the colours as they are. Maybe any national parties plus those with at least 5 seats. Otherwise the maps will keep being pretty unreadable. Keeping it to parties with 5+ seats would give us useful info but limit it to the most pertinent. Soni (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2024 (7)

您好，我是台灣人，過去曾經幫忙把印度大選的資訊寫在維基百科裡，希望這次我也能幫上一些忙Hello, I am from Taiwan. In the past, I have contributed to writing information about the Indian elections on Wikipedia. I hope I can be of some help this time as well. 只美 (talk) 14:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sohom (talk) 14:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Results discrepancy

The current results table shows the total number of seats won by the INDIA coalition to be 234 while, for example, NDTV lists it as 232. Can someone figure out the source for this discrepancy? And also cite sources for this and other results in the wikipedia article so that they comply with WP:V. Abecedare (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

alliance seats of NDA is wrong too it shows as 303 DataCrusade1999 (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

NDA is at 295 I request this to be updated. And INDIA is at 234 is correct. Supercanonx (talk) 16:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

NDA Tally

Hello, 7 Independent candidates have been elected in this election. These include rasheed sheikh, amritpal singh, pappu yadav, vishal prakashbhau patil, sarabjeet singh khalsa and mohmad haneefa. They have not given support to NDA. That they have supported NDA is misinformation and media too is just saying this from speculation. Supercanonx (talk) 16:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)