Talk:Table of messengers of Abrahamic religions/Archive 1

Archive 1

Deleting Bahá'í Faith

Does anyone agree with me that "Bahá'í Faith" had no proves, that's why the founder was executed!!!

Religion is not from a person, it's from GOD. Do others agree to delete it, and it has weak connections to prior real religions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamrce (talk • contribs) 22:52, 21 November 2010

When you say "Religion is not from a person", is the person you mean Muhammad? Jesus? Moses? All religions involve faith. Jayjg ^(talk) 01:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I mean that the three known religion that has facts, are (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). Faith comes from something real, like those religions coming from real Holy Books from God. "Bahá'í Faith" should be deleted, does anybody agree!!! Adamrce (talk) Adam 03:51PM, 11 December 2010 (PST)

Every member of a faith thinks their own faith "has facts" and "comes from something real". Non-members tend to disagree. One cannot delete this material simply because one does not believe in the faith. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, are the three main dominant Abrahamic religions. There may be many other smaller offshoots, with low following, including Syrian Church, Armenian Church (accorded separate quarters in Old City (Jerusalem)), Sunni & Shia Islam, etc. Bahaism would thus be even lower in the priority order of an Encyclopedic work. Atif.hussain (talk) 08:03, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

That was an old crappy discussion from myself. In general, Bahais are categorized as an Abrahamic faith, so it is rellevent here. It's all a mater of notability and reliable sources, instead of quantity and personal belief. ~ AdvertAdam ^talk 08:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Prophethood changes

Maryam

Maryam, mother of Jesus, though very highly revered in Islam, is not a prophet in Islam. Islamic text, Quran, even mentions that 'we have sent message to only Men' as against Women and Jinn, who are also recipients of this message. Correcting this entry on the page. Atif.hussain (talk) 08:03, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I slightly agree on your point, but the other two faiths also don't believe she's a prophet. I think we might be able to attach a note, but I don't know if anyone else wants to delete all Marys. ~ AdvertAdam ^talk 08:46, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Dates?

Can we get a column on the left listing the approximate dates of all these prophets? Morganfitzp (talk) 19:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm a nobody in this world, not even an editor or member of Wikipedia, but I am in the process of determining dates for several of these figures who before are only considered mythical or legendary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.70.6 (talk) 22:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Any improvement on the dates, it would be nice to tie these in with other happenings in acient history! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.218.38 (talk) 03:37, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Eber, Jethro, and Salih missing

Hud, Saleh, and Shoaib are all listed under the respective Islamic and Bahai columns, but are missing from their respective Jewish and Christian columns. Atleast a note saying who they are is needed. Example: Jethro's Tomb is Shoaib's Tomb in the Arabic and other examples for tombs of the others. Another example would be Ezeckiel and Dhul Kifl which is already in the table already as a model for these needed changes. 50.178.142.148 (talk) 07:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I think this is because (i) it is disputed whether these are corresponding names for the same figures, and (ii) they are not seen as prophets in the other religions. – Fayenatic London 15:07, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Should additional Baha'i prophets be included chronologically?

Currently we have Buddha, Zoroaster etc. tacked on at the very end, which I find very odd looking and unintuitive. It makes them seem "extra," which I presume would not be the case according to the Baha'i Faith. It seems to be that it would make more to list them chronologically like all other names included? If we choose to include the Baha'i Faith it should be treated in the same way and not segregated out like it is now 70.30.244.71 (talk) 15:42, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Implement Ahmadiyya and Rastafari Movements

Ahmadiyya, whether viewed as a heresy or not, is itself an Abrahamic religion as either a branch of Islam or an independent faith based thereon. The same for the Rastafari Movement from Christianity. I would suggest extending the charts to include them (and perhaps Mormonism) or implement them within Islam and Christianity (respectively) with parentheses explaining that only one sect within that religion accepts these individuals as prophets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whereverimaybe (talk • contribs) 18:16, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Since, Muhammad(peace be upon him) is the seal of prophets in Islam Please remove the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed from the table of Prophets ,it might hurt the belief of Muhammadans Prophets Muhammad (pbuh) is the last prophet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.79.252.64 (talk) 07:33, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2019

It is requested to kindly remove "Ahmadiya" from the list of Islam/Muslim as unanimously Ahamdiyas are declared "Non Muslim by all sects of Islam are in Pakistan they are constitutionally declared "non muslims" there name in Islamic Column is against the Islamic Believes. So the name /Group Ahmadiya should not included with muslims/Isalm. 39.51.92.146 (talk) 09:09, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done See the responses above. --bonadea contributions talk 09:59, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Mirza Ghulam is not a Prophet in Islam

Ahmadiyya community does not follow Islam according to world consensus. Hence please delete his name from list of Prophets in Islam. Mdmujeeb82 (talk) 14:26, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not a Prophet of Muslims remove His name from list of Muslims Prophets

Hye Wikipedia team this is Ahmad ...I contacted just to tell you that. In your article titled as ( Table of Prophets of Abrahamic religions ) have a big mistake in it. In the article it is mentioned that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is is a Prophet and this is wrong and a Major mistake to be corrected. In ISLAMIC view if someone believe that He ( Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ) is a Prophet the believer person is not said to be a Muslim either He will be called non- Muslim. Soo please correct this mistake and remove Mirza's name from the list of Muslims Prophets... thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmad LaRr (talk • contribs) 03:29, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2020

Kindly remove KRISHNA from this table as he was not from Abrahamic religions. 58.146.106.3 (talk) 13:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Krishna is not Abrahamic, but he is considered a prophet by an Abrahamic religion. See Krishna#Other: Ahmadiyya, a 20th-century Islamic movement, consider Krishna as one of their ancient prophets. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2020

There is no reference provided for Krishna being a prophet in Abrahamic religions. Kindly remove him. He was no prophet. 58.146.106.3 (talk) 15:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes there is a reference provided inline. See also further references in Krishna#Other – Thjarkur (talk) 16:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2020

Remove Mirza Ghulam Ahmed from Prophet list from Islam. As per Islamic religion, Muhammad was the last prophet. You can create another faith as Ahmaddiyya but do not include Ghulam Ahmed in Islam as it is misleading for a person with no knowledge of islam. 58.146.106.3 (talk) 15:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

It is specifically mentioned with the parenthesis that this applies to the Ahmaddiyya. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:33, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2020

The entry of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad should be edited out of list of Prophets from Islamic section as no Islamic scholar nor any reputable source from Islamic side considered him as a Messiah. It was his claim to be a Massiah, he does have followers but those followers call themselves ahmadiya as a sect of Islam where as Islam which is the teachings os Prophet Muhammad PBUH told there will be 72 sects of Islam and only one of them will be right but he never said the Messiah will bring his own sect, so his name should be edited out of Muslim section. I.mussiab (talk) 00:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Aasim 23:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

Krishna is not a prophet revered in Islam. 2A00:23C5:B796:E200:5518:B1BA:8D0F:1251 (talk) 20:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Darth Flappy ^«Talk» 21:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Ahmadiyya

Ahmadiyya faith should not be included in the table of Islam. When we talk about Islamic prophets we mean the ones ones mentioned in the Holy Quran or authentic Ahadith strictly. Therefore it should be a seperate column. It is highly disrespectful to the Muslims to add a prophet after Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.)! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.37.154.113 (talk) 11:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

There are plenty of reliable independent sources that describe Ahmadiyya as a Muslim reform movement. Its followers identify as Muslims, also according to reliable independent sources. --bonadea contributions talk 12:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Ahmedis are not muslims, and so does their prophet. please delete it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reshail raza (talk • contribs) 05:51, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

See the response above. --bonadea contributions talk 06:47, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, this should either be removed or added onto another section. Prophet Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets, meaning he is the final.--MuslimKnight786 (talk) 16:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

not muslims AbdallahYassereo (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Ahmidiyyas and Bahai's are not Muslim Faiths and hence not their Prophets

Dear Wiki,

The Ahmidiyyas and Bahai's are not Muslim Faith and hence the Prophets included by you in Muslim Religion, or Abrahamic Religions as per Ahmidiyya or Bahai's Faith, are not correct. Please remove these two and the Prophets included as per their faith. Examples are Krishna or Buddha. Krishna and Buddha are not mentioned in any Books of Islam including the holy book of Quran and are not considered Prophets in Islamic Faith. Any citation should be taken from Islamic books or Quran for the purpose of mentioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uchaudhry83 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree they must be removed AbdallahYassereo (talk) 14:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

The Quran is not a reliable, secondary source on Islamic beliefs. Any citations should be to modern, secular sources. Dimadick (talk) 18:07, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

False information

Either someone has intentionaly done this to be spiteful or lacks scriptual knowledge.

We actually have seperate pages for Messiah and Mahdi claimants, believe it or not:

• List_of_messiah_claimants
• List_of_Mahdi_claimants

I'm going to assume this was human error. You can not class these as indiviuals as Abrahamic prophets. And Marcus Garvey? Really?

--Tmason101 (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Heavy bias against Christians and Muslims

Why has my edit been undone?

--Tmason101 (talk) 20:47, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I reverted your edit because you removed properly sourced material. You also removed prophets of heterodox sects of Christianity and Islam, suchs all Ahmadiyya prophets and 7th Day Adventists and LDS prophets. Your previous edits to the talk page merely said there was false information without clear statements about what specific entries you considered false information, which meant it was impossible to provide feedback to you prior to your edit. It what way are these entries false information, and it what way is there heavy bias against Christians and Muslims? --FyzixFighter (talk) 02:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Separate Mormonism from Christianity

Since the list of prophet in mormonism is rather divergent from the mainstream christian list, it should be separated for pragmatical reasons (readability of the list is one of them). This pragmatic view does not imply any decision whether mormonism is a christian denomination or outside christianity. 84.165.187.220 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

All the prophets so-considered by mainstream Christianity are also considered prophets by Latter-day Saints. A list of Latter-day Saint prophets would be the same as the general Christianity list but with the addition of a series of prophets beginning in the 1830's. Since none of these so-called modern prophets are even listed at all I don't think we need a separate Mormon listing.128.187.97.20 (talk) 01:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Mormonism/Latter-day Saints have a List of Book of Mormon prophets that are not modern day prophets. Plus not all Mormon denomination believe in the same modern day prophet, President of the Church, so excluding them Mormon prophet would be in a similar time period to Druze prophets. The prophet in the Book of Mormon first story of Nephi starts in ancient Jerusalem around 600 BC. The Book of Mormon tales place from 2200 BC to AD 421. So we could make room to add these prophets. Doremon764 (talk) 18:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Table of Prophets

New Thought why can't we make this a page about comparing prophet instead of it being limited to Abrahamic religion we expand it to include more religions in the mix. Has any one ever try that idea or created a page on that? Apha9 (talk) 22:42, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I fear that would make the page even more silly that it already is. Jayjg ^(talk) 20:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree. warshy ^(¥¥) 20:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The only two too respond to me and agree with each other like always.Apha9 (talk) 20:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The only one raising silly, misinformed ideas is you. warshy ^(¥¥) 21:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

okay, everyone entitled to their own opinion. Apha9 (talk) 21:08, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The only other prophet besides the Abrahamic ones would be African, Native American, and Secular ones. I don't feel we should make a table, but instead a list. We should try to rework the Prophet page since some repeat. Doremon764 (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2020 (UTC)