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China[edit]

List of battles in Penghu[edit]

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Unsourced and very short (4 entries) list without much context. I don't think there's much reason for it to exist as its own article, as opposed to those events being described in the Penghu article. toweli (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tibet Airlines Flight 9833[edit]

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Non-notable accident. No sustained continued coverage, no lasting effects have been demonstrated and no in-depth coverage generated from the accident. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Guan Xueting[edit]

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Non-notable figure skater who fails WP:NSKATE; bronze/silver medal placements at the national championship level do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Much more results if one searches for the name with hanzi, rather than with pinyin. I've added a couple of sources. /Julle (talk) 00:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per Julle, but aside from the sources about her abduction that Julle added to the article (which I am worried that some may consider them as run-out-of-mill or 1E), I have further added three sources from Sohu and China Daily which detailed her figure skating and post-retirement coaching career. Fulfils GNG. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject has received enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Hyatt Beijing[edit]

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This article has only 1 source in 18 years of existence. Google News comes up with PR type stories or routine coverage of a staff member doing something. Nothing in-depth and third party to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, it fails all notability guidelines. Search result brought nothing. Piscili (talk) 05:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Piscili (talk · contribs), I found some offline sources below. Would you review? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, notability per nom. I can find endless blogger reviews and PR/press releases, but not a single RS addressing this article's topic! Chiselinccc (talk) 09:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Chiselinccc (talk · contribs), I found some offline sources below. Would you review? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. "旅館評：北京東方君悅大酒店" [Hotel Review: Grand Hyatt Beijing]. Next Magazine (in Chinese). 2002-08-29.
  The review notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店的英文全名頗長，叫GRAND HYATT BEIJING AT ORIENTAL PLAZA，在二○○一年十月開幕。位置北京的心臟王府井。七八棟高層大廈匯集在一起，蔚為奇觀。飯店是中國最大的商務建築群東方廣場的一部分，旁邊有一棟一棟的高級公寓和辦公大樓。從這裡走出去就是全北京最熱鬧的王府井大街，再遠一點可以步行到故宮和天安門去。整間飯店，官方宣傳文字上說像傳統四合院的格局，其實是一個U字形的建築，分成東翼和西翼。這次陪著金庸先生下榻，他住一六○一房，我住一○一六房，剛好是一頭一尾。"
  From Google Translate: "The full English name of Grand Hyatt Beijing is quite long, called GRAND HYATT BEIJING AT ORIENTAL PLAZA. It opened in October 2001. Location Wangfujing, the heart of Beijing. Seven or eight high-rise buildings come together to form a spectacle. The hotel is part of Oriental Plaza, the largest business building complex in China, and is adjacent to high-end apartments and office buildings. Walking out from here is Wangfujing Street, the busiest street in Beijing. A little further away, you can walk to the Forbidden City and Tiananmen Square. The entire hotel, according to the official promotional text, is shaped like a traditional courtyard house, but it is actually a U-shaped building, divided into an east wing and a west wing. This time I stayed with Mr. Jin Yong. He lived in room 1601 and I lived in room 1016, which happened to be one end of the room."
2. Wu, Xueming 吳學銘 (2002-11-12). "老北京新酒店令君悅" [Old Beijing. New Hotel. Grand Hyatt Beijing]. Min Sheng Bao (in Chinese). p. B7.
  The article notes: "北京東方君悅酒店自去年底試行營業以來，至今已屆滿一年，住房率屢創新高，成為北京和中國飯店市場的新話題。位在北京王府井大街上，現是中國最大的商務建築群猁北京東方廣場內的東方君悅大酒店，是現代西方酒店和超級商場的綜合性產物。"
  From Google Translate: "It has been one year since the Grand Hyatt Beijing Oriental opened on a trial basis at the end of last year. The occupancy rate has reached record highs and has become a new topic in Beijing and the Chinese hotel market. Located on Wangfujing Street in Beijing, it is now the largest business building complex in China and the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Beijing Oriental Plaza. It is a comprehensive product of modern Western hotels and super shopping malls."
  The article notes: "走進東方君悅酒店，第一眼的感覺是它不太像凱悅集團酒店的格調，倒有點像香港的海逸酒店，最代表性的該是大廳內獨一無二的那顆水柱型風水球，配合精心的流水設計，創造東方式的流動平衡感。中國人那種講求「流水聚財」的觀念，在東方君悅表現很明顯。"
  From Google Translate: "When you walk into the Grand Hyatt Oriental, your first impression is that it doesn’t quite resemble the style of a Hyatt hotel, but rather resembles the Harbor Plaza Hotel in Hong Kong. The most representative one is the unique water column-shaped Feng Shui ball in the lobby. Combined with the careful flowing water design, it creates an oriental flow and balance. The Chinese concept of "gathering wealth by flowing water" is very obvious in Grand Hyatt Oriental."
3. "北京東方君悅酒店住宿新體驗" [New accommodation experience at Grand Hyatt Beijing]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2002-01-30. p. D3.
  The review notes: "坐落於中國最大的商務建築群東方廣場之中，呈新月形、門外設有偌大噴泉的北京東方君悅大酒店給人非一般豪華感覺。... 由在亞洲居住了20 年的美國攝影師George Mitchell 所拍攝的黑白照片與陳設摩登的客房配合起來，不但沒有格格不入的感覺，好像筆者這種對老北京文化還未深切認識，但又充滿好奇的遊人看起來，反而另有趣味。... 最喜歡吃的筆者在這數天裡，可謂大快朵頤。設於飯店大廳中樓層，配備了一個開放式廚房的凱菲廳 (右下圖) 更是筆者的心頭愛。 "
  From Google Translate: "Located in the Oriental Plaza, the largest business building complex in China, the Grand Hyatt Beijing Oriental Hotel, which is crescent-shaped and has a huge fountain outside the door, gives people an extraordinary sense of luxury. ... The black-and-white photos taken by George Mitchell, an American photographer who has lived in Asia for 20 years, match the modernly furnished guest rooms. Not only do they not feel out of place, it seems like the author, who has not yet deeply understood the culture of old Beijing, but is full of curiosity. From the perspective of tourists, it is actually something else interesting. ... The author, who loves to eat the most, had a great time in these few days. Located on the middle floor of the hotel lobby and equipped with an open kitchen, the Kaffi Hall (pictured below right) is my favorite."
4. "東方君悅諧與酒店" [Grand Hyatt Oriental Harmony Hotel]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2001-12-29. p. D1.
  The article notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店位於東長安街一號，位處北京中心地區，集時尚商舖與辦公室於一隅，旁邊是著名鋪與辦公室於一隅，旁邊是著名鋪的公屋大王府。酒店建成後才交由君悅管理，"
  From Google Translate: "Grand Hyatt Beijing is located at No. 1 East Chang'an Street, in the central area of Beijing. It has fashionable shops and offices in one corner. Next to it are famous shops and offices in the same corner. Next to it is the famous public housing estate Grand Palace. After the hotel was completed, it was handed over to Grand Hyatt for management."
5. "北京東方君悅屢奪魁" [Grand Hyatt Beijing wins the championship again and again]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2006-02-27. p. C1.
  The article notes: "北京東方君悅大酒店自○一年開業以來，先後在多個國內外的酒店評選中奪魁，共獲頒三十項殊榮，踏入○六年僅兩個月，亦已獲頒五項殊榮，其中最新獲著名旅遊雜誌「亞洲目的地」(Destin Asian)評選為本年度北京最受歡迎飯店。至於今年已獲得之獎項分別為：獲「胡潤百富———富豪之選」選為本年度富豪最喜愛的品牌酒店、「私家地理」選為五百家世界最佳酒店、「Conde Nast Traveler」(美國)選為亞洲五十家最佳飯店等。"
  From Google Translate: "Since its opening in 2001, Grand Hyatt Beijing has won the first place in many domestic and foreign hotel selections, and has been awarded a total of 30 awards. In just two months since 2006, it has also been awarded five awards. , which was recently selected as the most popular hotel in Beijing this year by the famous travel magazine "Destin Asian". As for the awards received this year, they are: selected as this year's favorite brand hotel by the rich by "Hurun Report - Rich People's Choice", selected as one of the 500 best hotels in the world by "Private Geography", "Conde Nast Traveler" "(U.S.A.) was selected as one of Asia's 50 Best Hotels, etc."
6. Events held at the hotel:
  1. Li, Chun 李春 (2019-10-01). "中共建政七十周年北京觀禮林鄭傍晚趕返港" [The 70th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party of China. Watching the ceremony in Beijing, Carrie Lam rushes back to Hong Kong in the evening]. United Daily News (in Chinese). p. A10.
    The article notes: "香港特首林鄭月娥率兩百四十人觀禮團抵北京，出席中共建政七十周年活動。以港府官員、建制派成員、商界為主體的香港代表團，獲安排住東長安街的東方君悅大酒店，酒店保安嚴密。"
    From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor led a viewing group of 240 people to Beijing to attend the 70th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party of China. The Hong Kong delegation, which is composed of Hong Kong government officials, members of the pro-establishment camp, and the business community, was arranged to stay at the Grand Hyatt Hotel on East Chang'an Street. The hotel has tight security."
  2. "NBA快訊小布李小龍粉絲" [NBA News: Xiaobu, Bruce Lee fan]. World Journal (in Chinese). 2010-07-27. p. Sports 2.
    The article notes: "在北京東方君悅大酒店舉辦簽書會上，小布為他親自撰寫的圖書「科比24」召開媒體見面會暨新書簽售活動。"
    From Google Translate: "Lakers star Kobe Bryant embarked on a business trip to China on the 26th. In the evening, he held a book signing event at the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Beijing. Bryant held a media meeting for his personally written book "Kobe Bryant 24". and book signing event."
  3. "姚明補請中國隊友將與葉莉赴歐洲度蜜月" [Yao Ming invites Chinese teammates to replace him. He and Ye Li will go to Europe for their honeymoon]. World Journal (in Chinese). 2007-08-10. p. D1.
7. Less significant coverage:
  1. "Fodor's Expert Review: Grand Hyatt Beijing". Fodor's. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.
    The review notes: "The wow factor at this top-notch hotel—close to Tiananmen Square and the Forbidden City—comes from its huge glass facade and extraordinary lagoon-like swimming area: above its lush vegetation, waterfalls, and statues, a "virtual sky" ceiling imitates different weather patterns. "
  2. "Grand Hyatt Hotel Beijing". AFAR. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.
    The review notes: "From the lobby, the Grand Hyatt Beijing is another grand hotel with soaring ceilings and windows, polished marble floors, and an attentive staff. Two levels below the lobby, however, is one of the most unique and spectacular wonders ever seen in a hotel: an enormous grotto!"
  3. "Hyatt Opens Its First Hotel in Beijing". Los Angeles Times. 2001-12-09. Archived from the original on 2024-05-28. Retrieved 2024-05-28.
    The article notes: "Hyatt International Corp., which runs six hotels in China, is opening its first one in Beijing, complete with parking for 12,000 bicycles. About 200 of the 591 rooms at the Grand Hyatt Beijing have been opened; the rest are to open by April."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Grand Hyatt Beijing (simplified Chinese: 北京东方君悦大酒店; traditional Chinese: 北京東方君悅大酒店; pinyin: Běijīng Dōngfāng Jūnyuè Dàjiǔdiàn) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: A very thorough search of sources by Cunard (again). Aside from the offline sources listed, I have also found a lot more Chinese sources on the internet, which includes but is not limited to a Wen Wei Po[1] article that mentioned the subject hotel winning multiple awards in 2006, articles from Elle China[2] and Phoenix Television [3] introducing the application of new technologies at the hotel during the pandemic and in 2014 respectively, articles from China Daily[4] and Sina [5] introducing the hotel (these two may seem a bit like advertorial but definitely provided SIGCOV), articles from China Daily[6] and China Hospitality News documenting the appointment of senior staff at the hotel, an article from Sina[7] reporting on the tenth anniversary of the hotel, etc. I believe these have demonstrated notability far beyond GNG and NCORP. @Piscili and Chiselinccc: Please take a look at the newly located sources from Cunard and myself, thanks! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 18:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It was probably open to me to close this as no consensus or keep considering Cunard's sourcing (and subsequent pings to those who !voted delete). However, to produce a firmer consensus and allow for a re-evaluation of their position for the nominator and two delete !voters, as well as potential outside input also, relisting for another seven days. Without foreshadowing the future, this will be unlikely to need another 7 beyond this, and may even be able to be closed prior to this extra 7 if consensus becomes clearer.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 06:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also ping LibStar as per AfD relist comments. Daniel (talk) 06:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cunard's comments _└^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 18:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wang Meng (figure skater)[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep there is sufficient independent coverage.--Wish for Good (talk) 04:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wish for Good, are you going to share with the rest of the class or should we just take your word for it? Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 02:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
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Delete. Wishfully thinking keep assertions don't put a subject past GNG, ANYBIO, or WP:SPORTSPERSON (which requires at least one source which directly details the subject). Such sourcing hasn't been applied, presented or found. BusterD (talk) 22:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find the requisite WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong related deletions[edit]

Patricia Sauthoff[edit]

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The article contains no notability claim under WP:NACADEMIC. Fails WP:GNG. Melmann 20:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Negligible impact yet on scholarly community. A misguided creation of this BLP. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. An assistant professor with one book. I did not find any reviews of it. For this sort of field we are going to need multiple reviews of multiple books for WP:AUTHOR notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete -- per WP:TOOSOON -- on the right track, but Xxanthippe and David Eppstein assessed the current notability properly. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan related deletions[edit]

List of battles in Penghu[edit]

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Unsourced and very short (4 entries) list without much context. I don't think there's much reason for it to exist as its own article, as opposed to those events being described in the Penghu article. toweli (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Catherine Raper[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. 3 of the 4 sources are primary from her employer. LibStar (talk) 04:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As pointed out, three sources are from employer. The remaining source is an interview. With due consideration to the subtleties of WP:IV I am of the view that the Asia Society interview does not qualify as a WP:RS in the context of determining whether the subject is notable. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 01:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeh Shu-hua[edit]

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No observed changes in notability for ~~WP:GNG, WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER~~ WP:SNG (WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER) since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yeh Shuhua in 2021. The previous AfD resulted in redirect, this is the revision prior to the AfD closure. Please note that there was previously a typo mistake refering SNG as WP:GNG in the initial revision, this has since been corrected on 2 June, a day later, with formatting adjustment to ensure I'm implying both SINGER and BANDMEMBER collectively in relation to SNG to avoid confusion. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC) ; edited 15:15, 2 June 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]

I believe the references show that the subject meets the following criteria. The references has the person as the main subject and not just a passing mention as part of the group.
1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.

A big difference from the other version is a reliance on published sources like news reports and magazines rather than Youtube videos. Firezzasd (talk) 18:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't see how "reliance on published sources like news reports and magazines" is of any differences to the pointers raised by Explicit in the previous AfD, pretty close in my opinion. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 18:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
can you link the previous AfD discussion, so I can see what points were raised? Firezzasd (talk) 18:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already linked, above ^. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 18:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The main difference is that discussion is from June 2021. There's more reporting on the subject in the last three years, as evident in the references. I think if the concern is independent notability, that's no longer an issue as compared to back then. Firezzasd (talk) 18:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More as in? Other than 1 hosting news releases (pretty much routine), health issues (ref bombing), 1 cover magazine featured, endorsements for 1 bag brand (ref bombing) and shoe brand (ref bombing). And minus here and there compared to the deleted article due to no reliable sources available. So where exactly does WP:SINGER and WP:BANDMEMBER criteria is fulfiled? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can see the evidence is kind of thin for WP:SNG, but like both you and Prince of Erebor already pointed out, there's more than enough to pass WP:GNG. Therefore, it should be a keep instead of a redirect. Firezzasd (talk) 15:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, Dance, South Korea, and Taiwan. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: I think the nominator is more likely arguing that Yeh Shu-hua does not demonstrate sufficient individual notability to have a standalone article and should be redirected, rather than filing for a deletion. Then I guess it would be more helpful if the nominator would elaborate on their rationale for considering the other four out of five members to have individual notability (Soojin debuted solo so I am not counting her), while singling out Yeh as lacking it. As a Taiwanese member whose career has been based in Korea, I have looked into sources covering her in both Chinese and Korean. I can't read Korean, so I could only run sources with a translator and it seems like there are quite a lot sources that cover Shu-hua personally, most notably is her solo work as the host of WORKDOL (see My Daily [ko][8] and Nate News[9], and I later also found coverage in Chinese sources, like Elle[10] and ETToday [zh][11]) and appearances in variety shows. (See Segye Ilbo[12], Global Economy Newspaper [ko][13], Zum [ko][14], etc.) I do read Chinese though, and found a lot more sources with SIGCOV about her career, personal life and controversies. (See Elle[15], GQ Taiwan[16], SET News[17], Nownews[18], United Daily News[19], Jusky [zh] [20], Storm Media [zh][21], TVBS News[22] etc.) There are also media coverage on some of her solo works in Taiwan, such as participating in the Taiwanese game show Mr. Player [zh] (see Liberty Times[23] and China Times[24]), a recent travel program with Bolin Chen, (see Oriental Daily News[25]), or performing at Golden Wave At Taiwan. (See Mirror Media[26] and ETToday[27]) Considering the sources already presented in the article and provided by Cunard in the previous AFD, as well as the additional ones I have listed out, I think it is more than enough to show that the subject person has well passed GNG. The SIGCOV on the subject person's solo works are also sufficient to demonstrate the individual notability. So it is a quite obvious pass of both GNG and BANDMEMBER in my opinion. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 10:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Read through the majority of the linked news articles above, still couldn't find where is the individual notability as a SINGER and BANDMEMBER.
1. Routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance in Workdol's episode
2. Another routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance in Workdol's episode
3. Digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
4. Another routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance in Workdol's episode
5. Gossip coverage on her attitude on Civilization Express
6. Just a photo coverage of her aheading to Music Bank
7. Routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance on Knowing Bros, as part of promotion with (G)I-dle
8. Another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
9. Yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
10. An article about her debut with (G)I-dle, pretty much yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
11. Yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
12. Yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article of her
13. Coverage of her Instagram post, yet another digest/rundown/roundup's news article
14. Coverage on Song Yuqi and Minnie, she mentioned in WP:PASSINGMENTION
15. Coverage of her Instagram post, basically a gossip coverage
16. Routine coverage and/or summary of her appearance in Mr. Player's episode
17. Same as #16, basically a copy-paste plus-minus coverage
18. Routine coverage of her returning to work after illness
19. Routine coverage on Golden Wave at Taiwan concert, she is mentioned in PASSINGMENTION as (G)I-dle is performing there
20. Routine coverage on her special MC/host apperance on Golden Wave at Taiwan concert (the same event as #19)
In relation to "[the] rationale for considering the other four out of five members to have individual notability", I'm not sure why I'm even answering this question when a quick scan through each (Cho Mi-yeon, Minnie, Jeon So-yeon, Song Yuqi) already given the obvious answer of meeting GNG and/or BLP and/or SINGER and/or BANDMEMBER criteria. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paper9oll: Hi Paper9oll! Hmm... I believe it is necessary to clarify your expectations for individual notability in order to reach a consensus here. I am not particularly familiar with (G)I-dle, as far as I know, the key difference between Yeh and the other members is that she did not have any individual musical releases. (If I remember correctly Yuqi had her article before releasing her first solo single though) However, I don't think debuting solo is a crucial criterion for determining individual notability, and it is not explicitly stated in BANDMEMBER either. (Ryujin and Lia come to mind as a counterexample.) Aside from this, I do not think the media coverage of Minnie and Yuqi should differ significantly from that of Yeh. I also found it difficult to agree with about half of the summaries you provided. For instance, I cited sources mentioning Yeh hosting Workdol, participating in variety programs, and co-hosting an upcoming travel program with Chen Bolin (the latter was mistakenly labeled as covering her returning from illness). I was intending to emphasize Yeh's solo activities, which I see as demonstrating her individuality, rather than the overall notability. I am also slightly puzzled by how these can be considered routine coverage, or else an actor's entire filmography can be viewed as just their "another day of work" as well. Another key point of disagreement is the categorization of the Chinese sources covering her biography as news digests. SIGCOV never emphasizes that the subject person has to be a unique or major topic of the source, but rather require the source to address the subject person directly and in detail only. These few sources are entirely about Yeh's biography, even the title singled her out instead of referring her as a group. I guess there isn't really room of argument that those sources are direct and detailed addresses. I think this level of SIGCOV on Yeh's early life, career, and personal life far exceeds the requirements of GNG. While I may concede that Yeh's lack of a solo debut could be seen as not meeting BANDMEMBER for individual notability, it is still unconvincing to dismiss the aforementioned sources as run-of-the-mill. I agree to disagree, but respectfully I think the subject person has undoubtedly fulfilled GNG. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Prince of Erebor Maybe my standards are higher, I still don't see how she is meeting SNG (SINGER and BANDMEMBER) criteria. Maybe the previous AfD should have resulted in passing for GNG but failure for SNG i.e. keep instead of redirect, I would expect the same for this i.e. passing for GNG but failure for SNG unless other editor(s) changes the !vote scale or if the closer has other POVs, I believe this would be keep closure. I mistakenly written GNG instead of SNG previously until I realised that I'm trying to refer to the latter instead of the former as when I'm re-reading through your replies, I kept seeing GNG concerns even though this isn't my point of concern. However for the others (G)I-dle's members, they met both GNG and SNG hence this wasn't a typo. Regardless, I'm not expecting a consensus between us anyway since this is AfD. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paper9oll: Oh, I do understand more of your arguments now though. Because assessments on NBLP standards can vary, but GNG should be very straightforward and I was really head-scratching when my sources were denounced as they are clearly providing SIGCOV to the subject person. In my opinion, the subject person has passed both GNG and SNG as she has demonstrated individual notability with her solo works. I agree to disagree on SNG as stated in my previous reply, regarding the determination of the individual notability stated in BANDMEMBER, and I agree that we have very different sets of bars and expectations. But I think the subject person has undeniably passed GNG, and because since the beginning of this discussion (I think) Firezzasd and I were building our points on how Yeh should have already passed GNG, (that was literally why I went for Strong Keep) I think the consensus should head to a keep as well. GNG is also a notability guideline after all, and an article can be kept simply by meeting those criteria. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect: per nominator. Still no substantial evidence of individual notability. Per WP:BANDMEMBER, to the extent that every idol may have some advertisement or hosting gigs but it isn't exceptionally notable here either.Evaders99 (talk) 02:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Paper9oll: Sorry, but to be fair, I think you should leave the typo and retain GNG in your nomination statement. Because that was where the discussion was heading (otherwise it is misleading to all editors who are joining the discussion) - that I agree the subject person may not necessarily have fulfilled BANDMEMBER and there may not be consensus, but has way too many sources that significantly cover her personally, and GNG should be a good reason to keep this article. @Evaders99: I think a redirect is not a bad option either, but I think you may have some reconsiderations on GNG and WP:BASIC, which were the core rationales of the discussion Firezzasd and I were establishing (instead of SNG/BANDMEMBER) before considering ATDs. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Prince of Erebor I believe that I had already explained that earlier i.e. I'm not concerned on GNG but rather SNG, in fact I have been communicating where exactly is SNG met right from the start regardless to you or Firezzasd while yes there is a typo error however it has never deviated the discussion from the question i.e. me asking repeatedly on meeting SNG criteria. Why SNG because she is commonly known as a singer per MOS:ROLEBIO as supposed to any other sub roles derived from her main role. Regardless, whether she met GNG but failed SNG is ultimately, the closer decision to decide on, however if you have any concerns on the closing result i.e. it wasn't your expected outcome then you can go to WP:DRV to file for re-review provided the rationale is aligned with DRV guidelines. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paper9oll: No, you are completely missing my point. I was trying to communicate with you in a more mild way, instead of directly throwing a guideline at you. The fact that you simply wrote out SNG into GNG is a violation of WP:REDACT. You have made it clear that you have made a typo and you are in fact referring to SNG, and I am happy to see a continued discussion basing on your actual arguments. But I have also made it clear that we (or at least I) were replying to your GNG concerns. As I said, that was literally why I went for Strong Keep and where I was building half of my arguments on. The flow of the discussion now is completely twisted and it looks like we were mistakenly addressing something else, and no new editors would be able to follow up our concerns on the subject person already passing GNG. Yet, it was your typo to begin with, not us. I guess it is both part of a guideline and basic courtesy that if you wish to update your original comments, you may consider adding something like "(Typo edit: SNG)", instead just blatantly writing out. There is no point of discussing when others were making an argument, you just chime in and say "sorry, typo" to collapse others' arguments. Also, I do not think a DRV would be my concern. I am not really concerned about the fate of this article, because both a Keep or a Redirect would do in my opinion, and I am pretty sure this discussion would be relisted for at least another week with more editors joining and most likely would end up being a No Consensus. Therefore, to favour the future discussions for the upcoming weeks, I think a restoration of the typo is necessary. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Prince of Erebor Duly noted that your reasoning is basing on GNG as you have a different viewpoint i.e. the subject meets GNG in which I had also agreed on in the subsequent replies. Imo, there isn't any confusion happening as your replies and also Firezzasd's replies shows that your are stating that the subject meets GNG already in which my defence is on "what about SINGER and BANDMEMBER?" while there may be a typo however I don't see how this has affected the AfD overall since the replies made were constructive i.e. mainly "subject already met GNG", there is no hardline rule that states that editor(s) must only reply to the concerns (i.e. restrictly !vote and/or discuss around SINGER and BANDMEMBER) raised by the nominator. Hopefully, this explanation resolves any of your concerns made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paper9oll: My only concern was that I am afraid there may be confusion for newcomers, as they may not be aware that GNG was also discussed previously. I saw that you have listed the typo out to clear the confusion, and I think that is sufficient in my opinion. Thanks! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Prince of Erebor. Subject passes WP:GNG. Firezzasd (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Definitely passes WP:GNG, has 6M followers on instagram and searching her name up in Chinese gives you a ton of results, whether traditional or simplified. 48JCL^{[citation needed][dubious – discuss]} 20:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to (G)-Idle : per nom. Not independently notable enough as a singer in MOS:ROLEBIO per WP:SINGER and WP:BANDMEMBER Shenaall (talk) 07:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Individual members, reality television performers says:
Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability.
The significant coverage in reliable sources about the subject shows she has "demonstrated individual notability".
Sources
1. The numerous sources found in Prince of Erebor (talk · contribs)'s excellent, exhaustive research. Prince of Erebor has definitely shown that there has been significant coverage on some of her solo works in Taiwan.
2. Chang, Lily; Jennifer (2024-06-02). "(G)I-DLE舒華的10個故事！黃金忙內，沒偶包率真魅力超吸粉，直白透露初戀男友是他！" [(G)I-DLE Shuhua’s 10 stories! The golden maknae, whose outspoken charm attracts fans, frankly revealed that her first love is him!]. Cosmopolitan (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-06-06. Retrieved 2024-06-06.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Shuhua's real name is "Ye Shuhua". Shee was born on 6 January 2000. She is 161 centimeters tall. Her father is a Hakka and her mother is an Atayal. She has been determined to become an artist since she was a child and often shared this dream with her family, but her family always thought that she was just a kid and didn't pay much attention to what she thought. It wasn't until Shu Hua filled out her high school application and was admitted to Huagang Art School without telling her family, and finally successfully entered the drama department of the school, heading towards the career of an artist, that her family knew she was serious."
  The article notes from Google Translate: "But because there is no such distinction in terminology in Taiwan, Shu Hua, who has a fierce personality, often forgets, or asks the other party if he can speak half a language. This often makes her criticised by Korean netizens for being rude. However, some fans believe that Shuhua is just not used to it and doesn't handle it well. It was not intentional. But now that she has developed in South Korea, she should slowly adapt to this cultural difference."
3. Chen, Nancy; En, Willy (2023-01-12). "(G)I-DLE 的「辣台妹」是如何成功由黑翻紅？關於台灣之光「葉舒華」的 5 件事！" [How did (G)I-DLE's "hot Taiwanese girl" successfully turn from being a dud to a celebrity? 5 things to know about the Light of Taiwan "Ye Shuhua"!]. GQ (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-06-06. Retrieved 2024-06-06.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Shu Hua herself is an inspirational story. In the Korean entertainment industry where everyone wants to debut as a star, Shu Hua, who comes from Taoyuan Yangmei, first enrolled in Huagang Art School. In the second year of high school, she dropped out of school without telling her parents and went to South Korea to develop. After being a trainee for two years, she debuted as a member of the (G)I-DLE girl group."
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Although (G)I-DLE has a large number of fans, Shuhua was not well received by the fans at the beginning. They made all kinds of sarcastic remarks, ranging from "How can you be an idol when you are so fat?", "Singing out of tune, "Performances are frequent" to "Does (G)I-DLE need Shu Hua?", but Shu Hua did not give up because of this. First, she comprehensively controlled her diet, not eating after six o'clock, not touching fried food, etc."
4. Liu, Minjun 劉旻君 (2024-06-06). "葉舒華俏麗變回女高中生　拍形象片可愛「腳ㄚ」意外搶鏡" [Ye Shuhua turned back into a pretty secondary school girl, and her cute "feet" unexpectedly stole the spotlight in an image film]. Next Apple News [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-06-06. Retrieved 2024-06-06.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Ye Shuhua has become a new fashion darling in recent years. Not only has she become the new spokesperson for the local affordable bag brand Robinmay and the women's shoe brand D+AF, but the Korean fashion brand COVERNAT has also been attracted by her charm long ago, and has successively released her products since the end of last year. Shuhua's image photo was released, and in March this year, he officially announced that he would be upgraded to a women's clothing brand ambassador."
5. Wu, Zhiwei 吳志偉 (2021-06-16). "（G）I-DLE舒華有多紅？登《玩很大》這現象秒懂了" [(G) How popular is I-DLE Shuhua? Log in to "Play Big" and you will understand this phenomenon instantly]. Liberty Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-06-06. Retrieved 2024-06-06.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Ye Shuhua, a 21-year-old Taiwanese member of the popular South Korean girl group (G) I-DLE, has a cool appearance but a super cute personality. The contrast has attracted countless fans. She returned to Taiwan at the end of March for a long vacation. Recently, she dedicated her only TV program announcement to CTV and Sanli's "Variety Show" ... In addition, Shu Hua's straightforward and lively performance on the show also made the official YouTube channel of "Variety Show Big" gain an influx of fans from many countries when it premiered, with as many as 10,000 people watching online at the same time"
6. Less significant coverage:
  1. Wickes, Hanna (2023-10-09). "Meet the K-Pop IdolWho Is Shuhua From (G)I-DLE? Meet the Maknae of the K-Pop Girl Group: Age, Debut Details, More". J-14. Archived from the original on 2024-06-06. Retrieved 2024-06-06.
    The article notes: "Born on January 6, 2000, Shuhua is a Capricorn. The singer is also one of the few Taiwanese K-pop idols, and grew up there until moving to South Korea as a teenager to become a K-pop star. There, she trained under South Korean music company Cube Entertainment, where she studied music and dance, while also learning Korean."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yeh Shu-hua (traditional Chinese: 葉舒華; simplified Chinese: 叶舒华 to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 07:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]