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Discrimination against women[edit]

Shouldn't it point to misogyny where it initially was? LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 06:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone build an article for this based on discrimination against men? LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 06:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fairly certain they did; it's misogyny. Retarget. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Office Shūji Abe[edit]

"Shuji Abe Office" appears to be a thing, but I can find no reference to it anywhere as "Office Shuji Abe". Unlikely error. Rusalkii (talk) 21:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundling with the other similar redirect.
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GWR network[edit]

Where could this possibly lead to? The original GWR (current target), the modern one, GWR (disambiguation), Great Western Railway (disambiguation). Who knows... Otherwise, it can be deleted since its too ambiguaious JuniperChill (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is a plausible search term that could refer to the network of multiple of the railway companies listed at Great Western Railway (disambiguation), possibly (but I don't know how likely) the network of flights operated by Aura Airlines and possibly the radio network of GWR Group. Either retargeting to the existing Great Western Railway (disambiguation) with a hatnote to one or both the other two, or a separate disambig page are the best for readers here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think we should include Aura Airlines as while that is the ICAO airline code, I don't think anyone refers it to that (and also a relatively obscure airline), just as the code for Greater Anglia is officially (de jure) LE, but it's most commonly (de facto) shortened to GA instead. Maybe retarget to GWR instead? Since idk what should happen, we should wait for other users to see. JuniperChill (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are only two entries on the GWR page that could plausibly have networks and which do not appear on Great Western Railway (disambiguation) (the airline and the media group), but there are multiple railways that have networks which are listed on the longer-titled dab page but not at GWR. So if a separate dab page is not the chosen outcome, Great Western Railway (disambiguation) is, in my opinion, a better target than GWR. Obviously there is no need to take action before other people have had a chance to express their opinions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I (the nom) would Retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation) then. With a hatnote saying:
    {{redirect|GWR network|the airline with the ICAO code|Aura Airlines|the radio network|GWR Group}} JuniperChill (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.[edit]

There are numerous variations of what the subject apparently said on his death bed, with only some close to this topic title. That said, I can't see how two full sentences would ever be a useful search term and it isn't even the one used in the subject's article. I'd question it even if the quote was closer to what is most commonly reported. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With respect to where the sense of the quote probably came from:
The most authoritative secondary source is Remini. His in-depth three volume biography as saying: Where is my daughter and Marion, God will take care of you for me. I am my God’s. I belong to him, I go but a short time before you, and I want to meet you all in heaven, both white and black. Then a bit later...What is the matter with my Dear children, have I alarmed your Oh, do not cry—be good children and we will all meet in heaven.
Remini's primary source is a letter written by Andrew Jackson Jr. to Alfred Nicholsen, which was written 9 days after Andrew Jackson, Sr.'s death. A version of this letter is available in JSTOR from the 1947 Tennessee Historical Quarterly.
An early alternative is from Jackson's first biographer, Parton, who published his work in 1860, 15 years after Jackson's death. He quotes Hannah Jackson as stating: Be good children, and we will all meet in heaven. Wtfiv (talk) 22:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refine to § "Later life and death (1837–1845)". I'm a bit confused by the rationales here. This is a verifiable variant of a quote that is mentioned in the article. What's implausible about that? Someone could recall the quote, start typing it in, and be led to this article either by search suggestions or results either on-wiki or on an external search engine. However, since the phrase won't come up if typed literatim into ctrl+f, this should be refined to the relevant section. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 17:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirects misusing the sharp symbol[edit]

These redirects use the Sharp symbol from Unicode to stand for the WP:FORBIDDEN character #. Not only is this semantically wrong, but it also doesn't help with search results because the two characters are not considered equivalent. Delete the above per WP:RFD#D8. If people think such redirects are needed, they can be recreated using the fullwidth ＃ instead. This is common practice as can be seen if one types the regular # in the search box and actually does what it's supposed to. Nickps (talk) 18:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Using the sharp symbol is at least exactly as plausible as using the full-width symbol. Thryduulf (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's really not. Fullwidth # is a different glyph of the same symbol; sharp is an entirely different symbol that happens to look sort of similar. Search algorithms, even Wikipedia's, understand that: if you search for #41, for example, ♯41 doesn't appear in either the suggestions or the results; but if you search for, say, #MeToo, ＃MeToo shows up as expected in the suggestions. (It doesn't appear in the results because its redirect target does; I can't immediately find a redirect containing full-width # that doesn't point at a target that wouldn't also appear without the symbol.) It's like using ß and β and B interchangeably. —Cryptic 19:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As Cryptic said, it's not. Not only does the fullwidth ＃ have the same semantic meaning as the regular ASCII # but the two characters are Unicode equivalent under NFKC and NFKD. This is not the case for the sharp symbol which normalizes to itself. This is why ＃ and ﹟ are basically interchangeable with # for searching but ♯, ⋕ and ⌗ are not. Nickps (talk) 19:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's plausible for people who are familiar with all the technical details (and I'm not saying using fullwidth is implausible, it isn't) but when you have someone who is just searching for a symbol that looks about the same they are equally likely to choose ♯ as ＃. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no easy way to type ♯ on a keyboard. Searching for wide # only requires typing a regular # AFAIK. Викидим (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is correct. You don't have to search for ＃. Searching for plain old easy-to-type shifted 3 (US) or unshifted tilde (UK) # finds redirects with the wide ＃ in their titles, just as if it weren't a forbidden character. It doesn't find titles with ♯. There's no expectation anyone would link to, much less actually type, either sort of redirect, but the fullwidth ones help searching and the sharp ones do not. —Cryptic 23:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody is arguing that the fullwidth titles don't help - they do. I'm arguing that the sharp symbol is also useful - it is widely available in character maps and other places to copy and paste from. Thryduulf (talk) 01:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, one can copy-and-paste the strange symbol (like I did) - but what could be the real-life purpose of doing it while searching for an easily available on the keyboard symbol #? Викидим (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because they know # doesn't work, they know the sharp symbol exists and looks similar but don't know full-width symbols exist (this would be very common for many, probably most, musicians who are not familiar with east-Asian scripts and/or unicode) or they are copying from someone who used the sharp symbol for this or some other reason. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Redirects from titles with un-typeable characters make no sense, as no one would search for such strange glyphs. --Викидим (talk) 22:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I created the third title listed, and as a rule don't !vote on my own creations, but I will say that in general, the fact that MediaWiki can't handle # in titles is very counterintuitive to readers, and my position is that we should accommodate any plausible workaround that a reader might try. Redirects are cheap and there's no reason to make this particular impediment to navigation slightly more inconvenient. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 04:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I agree with Tazmin and don't see any benefit from deleting these. Rlendog (talk) 17:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Thryduulf, Tamzin, and Rlendog. The classic Qwerty keyboard isn't the only keyboard we need to worry about-- while it's hard (I wouldn't say impossible, but hard) to type the Sharp symbol on a standard Qwerty keyboard hooked up to a desktop or laptop computer, it could be far easier on mobile devices-- just like it's far easier to type diacritics or emoji on mobile compared to desktop.
    As for "semantically wrong", I wouldn't say so-- the Sharp sign and Pound sign look the exact same, with the only difference in the font I'm using right now being that the Pound sign is tilted horizontally while the Sharp sign is tilted vertically. There are almost certainly fonts in use where they look even *more* identical. For even more proof of people conflating the two symbols, see C Sharp (programming language)-- the language's name when said aloud is invariably pronounced "C Sharp", but when typed out, it invariably is typed "C#", treating # and ♯ interchangeably. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just FYI, typing emojis on Windows 10/11 is basically trivial. Now, C# is a bit of a special case because the name is specified by its ECMA standard to use a number sign, but at the same time, the number sign represents a sharp accidental. So, C# deliberately uses one symbol to stand in for the other. This is also why C♯ (programming language) exists. Using # to represent ♯ makes sense because, historically, people had a difficult time dealing with characters outside of ASCII and even today, the sharp and other Unicode characters like it are difficult to type. Going the other way around, however, doesn't feel justified the same way. Nickps (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ...While I don't currently have access to the emoji/symbol picker in Windows 11, in Windows 10 it does allow you to have access to a number of non-emoji symbols, too-- unfortunately, Sharp is not on that list, at least, not by default. If someone could check Windows 11, that'd be swell 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The {{R from hashtag}} template does not recognise the sharp as a replacement for the number sign (see [1]) which is why I commented that template out on ♯YesAllWomen. If the RfD closes as keep, the Rcat will need to be updated. Nickps (talk) 13:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per User:Tamzin. Redirects are cheap, and it makes sense to go out of our way to help readers get around the problem with the # symbol. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning delete as to all, as I can see these confusing readers into incorrect uses of the actual # symbol. BD2412 T 18:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:CHEAP, potentially useful to someone getting around the forbidden character. Harmless and unambiguous. If the template needs to be updated, then we should do so. Fieari (talk) 04:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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----[edit]

Per --#See also, another possible target is Horizontal rule. Is this really the primary topic? * Pppery * it has begun... 23:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. If I get time, I'll have to review my edits around this time as I don't remember why I created this. Steel1943 (talk) 23:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see why I created this now: Apparently, I saw the dashes in the article and created the redirect. I have no opinion on the fate of this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 00:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's almost impossible to get useful search results for this, but I'd be surprised if either topic were primary. Maybe expanding the -- dab page to cover sequences of three and four hyphens too would work? Thryduulf (talk) 01:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hirzayi[edit]

Recent implausible misnomer (I get zero Google search results for "hirzayi"). Move redirect created because of a recent reverted move by confirmed sock Al Shaykh Al Kasuri of blocked user SheryOfficial. The article was at this title for 1 hour and 20 minutes on 3 June, and the title did not previously exist as a redirect (see lack of entries on the deletion log). (Speedy deletion declined when I tagged it as G5, R3 with an explanation similar to the above.) SilverLocust 💬 06:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Cmt. I chose not to suppress creation of a redirect when restoring Hirzai to its previous title after the sock move because it's a plausible transliteration of Urdu: حرزایی. That said, I really don't care if this is kept or no. All this is kind of a waste of everyone's time, isn't it? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am of the view that redirects shouldn't exist merely because a very persistent banned user keeps trying to respell things. If there is evidence of anyone using this spelling before, then I would be happy to leave it. SilverLocust 💬 11:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The social brain hypothesis[edit]

Unnecessary unlinked redirect with "the" (we have social brain hypothesis which I recently retargeted to a better article, and this one should just be deleted) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ford Pinto Pangra[edit]

No associated content at the target article. The Pinto Pangra was a low-production dealer conversion and not notable. Sable232 (talk) 00:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Pangra, the article about the automobile. Sources cited in the article refer to it as the Ford Pinto Pangra. - Eureka Lott 00:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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