Category talk:People convicted of murder

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The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The consensus is that things should remain as they are now. AlbinoFerret 22:00, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should persons who were legally deemed or pardoned as being "wrongfully convicted of murder" be in the category "persons convicted of murder"? 22:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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Except where one or more convictions remain on the books, I would suppose that being on both lists makes little sense. Collect (talk) 22:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Pages should be categorized on both lists. Meatsgains (talk) 01:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm not clear on what is being discussed. We're talking about categories, not lists, right? Since Category:People wrongfully convicted of murder is already a subcategory of Category:People convicted of murder, via subcategorization all of those in the former are already in the latter. Hardly any articles are placed directly in Category:People convicted of murder (indeed, it currently contains no articles directly); they are typically subcategorized by nationality or criminal jurisdiction. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it odd to have anyone in two subcategories of the same main category for the same event - which is why I posed the issue at a top level one. Cheers. Collect (talk) 03:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not at all unusual for this tree for someone to be in two or more subcategories. In fact, most are categorized in at least two basic ones—a subcategory of Category:People convicted of murder by nationality (for the convict's nationality) and a subcategory of Category:People convicted of murder by country (for the legal jurisdiction). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Subcategory the wrongfully convicted. Add a subcategory called "People wrongfully convicted of murder" and and place those who are legally deemed or pardoned as wrongfully convicted of murder in that subcategory. --Mr. Guye (talk) 21:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Just for clarity, that's essentially how things are set up now. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. As a former federal prosecutor, I find it confusing to include those subcategorized as wrongfully convicted in a subcategory of convicted. It would be apparent that if they were wrongfully convicted, they would have been convicted. I suggest listing them only in the wrongfully convicted category. Madeinmontana (talk) 04:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Having one as a subcategory of the other is simply for ease of navigation. I don't think it should be taken as implying any particular legal status, and I don't think most readers would take it that way given the names of the categories. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Summoned here by bot. Yes, Richard Kimble and others so situated were convicted of murder, however wrongfully. Coretheapple (talk) 20:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is not clear to me what the options under consideration are, but I support Mr. Guye's suggestion of putting wrongfully convicted people in a subcategory (which is apparently the status quo). —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The current set up appears initially to work. Were they convicted of murder? Yes. Were they wrongfully convicted? Yes. But Category:People convicted of murder is a subcat of Category:Murderers, which those who were wrongly convicted were clearly not - unless they did murder one person, but were wrongfully convicted of a different murder. Anyway, the tree does not flow accurately if non-murderers are grouped as murderers. That's simply not factual. It seems more appropriate to put Category:People wrongfully convicted of murder directly into Category:Murder so that it sits alongside Category:People acquitted of murder. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 12:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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