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Petrol or Natural gas?

Is this crisis over natural gas or gasoline? 59.100.43.217 03:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I take it to be natural gas Nyttend 04:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
the background info is of a dispute over natural gas delivery, but the action currently taken by the Russians is on the petroleum carrying Druzhba pipeline. A bit confusing indeed. Jerome Potts 06:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Flags for reaction section

I vaguely recall, in situations like this, articles use flags for reactions sections. Although the essay WP:FLAGS raises some good points, I'm oblivious to the current trend at the moment, and so if people could give their opinion on whether to add flags or not would be great. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 07:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally I never like having the list of flags: I don't see how they're directly related to the article. Look at this reaction section [1], no lists at all! JACOPLANE • 2007-01-9 08:17
Yep, prose > lists. Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 08:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Related disputes: Bulgaria?

Regarding Russia-Belarus energy dispute#Related disputes: didn't Russia have a dispute about gas prices with Bulgaria as well, about a year ago? Aecis No running, shouting or piddling in the shallow end 00:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember who it was with, exactly, but I think there was some sort of tiff over Russian energy supplies into Europe around this time last year, yeah. Moonsword 02:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
The tiff you are presumably referring to is the Russia-Ukraine gas dispute. Just after that was settled, a row between Gazprom and Bulgaria arose: [2]. I don't recall how it ended, and that dispute doesn't seem to have an article :( Aecis No running, shouting or piddling in the shallow end 16:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems there is no current dispute between Gazprom and Bulgaria.[3]Beagel 20:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Supply to Lithuania

The northern branch of this pipeline to Latvia and Lithuania has been closed since July last year because of technical reasons (according to the Russian officials).[4]Beagel 20:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Maps

There's another map that may be helpful: Image:Oil pipelines in Europe.png. Conscious 22:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool, I plonked it in. Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 00:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Reaction; what about more?

How about a section, or at least a mention, of how it affects those that are affected? I've come across the page and found it interesting, but it's all based on information assumed to be known. --Dayn 01:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Consequences, that's the word I'm looking for. What are the consequences of this dispute? --Dayn 01:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Consequences

How does this event affect the oil supply to Poland, Germany, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Ukraine? The two are reported to have been using their own reserves. What about the others?--Fitzwilliam 03:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Kaliningrad?

I read on forbes.com that Poland and Germany have had to turn to eighty-day emergency stockpiles as a result of all this. What about Kaliningrad? Do they have gas, or have they been cut off collaterally as well? Or if they have a continued supply, why can't the Poles and Germans get gas from there? Nyttend 04:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Maps show no pipelines to Kaliningrad; it's probably supplied by sea. Conscious 22:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Or via Lithuania. Aecis No running, shouting or piddling in the shallow end 18:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
You can't supply via Lithuania, because: 1)there is no pipeline from Lithuania to Kaliningrad; 2)pipeline to Lithuania runs through Belarus; 3)pipeline to Lithuania was already closed by Russia last July because of technical reasons. Beagel 19:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Impact?

The article doesn't really explain the impact the crisis. Who in Europe is effected? How are energy prices being effected? Are there gas shortages in Western Europe? What are possible future implications of the crisis?

Since you didn't sign your post, I don't know when you wrote that. But the article currently mentions precisely which countries are affected, explains that prices aren't effected, exxplains there are no shortages because of 90 day reserves and mentions a number of future implications. Nil Einne 12:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Lithuiania

On July 29, 2006 Russia shut down oil export to Mažeikių oil refinery in Lithuania after an oil spill on the Druzhba pipeline system occurred in Russia’s Bryansk oblast, near the point where a line to Belarus and Lithuania branches off the main export pipeline. Transneft said it would need one year and nine months to replace the damaged section. Although Russia cited technical reasons for stopping oil deliveries to Lithuania, Lithuania claims that oil supply was stop because Lithuania sold Mažeikių refinery to Polish company PKN Orlen.[18]

Does Lithuania really believe the Russians purposely damaged their own pipeline? Or do the claim that the oil spill and damaged pipeline were made up? Nil Einne 12:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Actually most Lithuanians, Poles and energy experts in Europe know that the timing of the "accident" which dameged the Pipline was not coiincidental. And Russians responsible know that we know, but knowledge itself does not fix piplines that are on Russian soil. Mieciu K 16:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Oil or Gas?

The article says this:

"Belarus used to pay Russia a fraction of the world market price for oil, reflecting Russian political support for the Belarus regime. In 2006 Belarus paid only $46 per 1000 m³, compared to $290 per 1000 m³ paid by Germany"

Those prices sound more like gas prices (which I believe is sold by standard metric units of volume) than oil prices (which is sold by the barrel). Are we talking about oil or gas (or both)? Molinari 23:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe we should indicate clearly the commodity involved for each kind of price, for Belarus or other countries mentioned.--Fitzwilliam 13:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

This pricing is very confusing. Indication of what type of pipeline we're talking about would be welcome as well. Iralets 15:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Russian Energy Policy

Does anyone have the time and knowledge to start an article on the energy policy of Russia? See energy policy of the United States and energy policy of the United Kingdom for suggestions... Gralo 19:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Beagle! Gralo 12:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Western involvement?..

It looks like the U.S. is at least trying to exploit this whole situation and trying to further break-up the Russia-Belarus alliance. See how it's being spun by CNN for example: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/01/09/gas.belarus.russia.ap/index.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.230.246.182 (talk) 09:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

Error about Belneftekhim

The article says: Belneftekhim, Belarusian state gas pipeline company. This is absolutely incorrect, as Belneftekhim has nothing to do with gas pipelines. Transportation of gas is Beltransgaz' responsibility (http://beltransgaz.by/). --Gabix (talk) 07:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Separating oil and gas disputes

This article does a poor job in separating the oil and gas disputes. Often it is hard to understand if the article is talking about oil or gas. Offliner (talk) 10:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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