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Possible Pseudonym 'Clement Scott'[edit]

Works published as Clement Scott include some 258 works listed at the National library. Clement Scott never made a public appearance and therefore is assumed to be a pseudonym. It seems unlikely the music was composed by journalist Clement Scott although this famous name may have been used deliberately. I have chosen this space to make some notes about the identity of Clement Scott the Australian composer in connection with Albert Bokhare Saunders. Palings Anuual number 49 page 24 contains 'Indian Love Waltz' by clement Scott with a dedication to 'My Sister Edie' and two works by A B Saunders in the same edition.^[1] Tradimus (talk) 09:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to this article, Albert Saumders did have a sister names Edie "OBITUARY". North West Champion. New South Wales, Australia. 4 August 1949. p. 1. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove. Tradimus (talk) 14:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Newspaper sources of the time seem to have accepted that Albert Bokhare Saunders and Clement Scott were the same person. ^[2] ^[3]

Albert Saunders himself claimed to be Clement Scott while he was alive ^[4]

Some commentators claim that Clement Scott is a 'firm name' or corporate pseudonym, but site Albert Saunders as Clement Scott as an example ^[5]

Both W H Paling and Alberts Saunders widow Olive had financial reasons to contend ownership. Paling employed conservatorium tutor Lindley Evans for evidence that Saunders work was unharmonic ^[6] (yet Palings was publishing quintets composed by Saunders without arrangement by an intermediary musician which perhaps is evidence of Saunders harmonic capability)

Saunders family produced a neighbour eye witness to Alberts claim was not accepted by the court ^[7] saying he had confused the song with similar music ^[8] The court found there was not enough evidence to be certain that Albert Saunders had composed 'Now is the hour' but much of Clements Scotts work had proven created by Saunders ^[9] ^[10]

Palings claimed in court that 'Now Is The Hour' was written by retired manager Cecil Spencer Darling with help from Bert Rache. Cecil Spencer Darling previously gave evidence supporting publishers to a royal commission into copyright ^[11] Bert Rache arranged and composed music published by Palings (plausible) but was deceased by the time of the trial. Cecil Spencer Darling claims to have arranged music for Palings, but published nothing in his own name, which shadows somewhat his claim to be the author.Tradimus (talk) 05:04, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The family of Saunders has provided manuscript evidence of Saunders composition to the national library ^[12]

References

^ http://onesearch.slq.qld.gov.au/permalink/f/fhnkog/slq_alma21115576250002061
^ "PASSING OF "ARTY" SAUNDERS". The Charleville Times. Queensland, Australia. 29 July 1949. p. 11. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ "AMATEUR TALENT QUEST". North West Champion. New South Wales, Australia. 21 January 1943. p. 5. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ "Moree A Beautiful Town". North West Champion. New South Wales, Australia. 21 January 1943. p. 1. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ "WRITING MUSIC FOR A SONG". Smith's Weekly. New South Wales, Australia. 10 November 1923. p. 12. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ "Pianist plays for judge in court". The Sun. New South Wales, Australia. 3 June 1952. p. 3 (LATE FINAL EXTRA). Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ "SAGA OF SONG IN COURT CLAIM". The Sun. New South Wales, Australia. 2 June 1952. p. 2 (LATE FINAL EXTRA). Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ "Widow Loses Claim Over Song". The Sydney Morning Herald. New South Wales, Australia. 27 June 1952. p. 5. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ "A WIDOW LOSES CLAIM SHE MAKES RESPECTING A SONG". The Evening Advocate. Queensland, Australia. 24 July 1952. p. 4. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ ""Now is the hour"". The Daily Telegraph. New South Wales, Australia. 16 May 1952. p. 6. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ "CLASSICAL MUSIC". Newcastle Morning Herald And Miners' Advocate. New South Wales, Australia. 11 October 1932. p. 8. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.
^ Saunders, Ray; Saunders, Ray; Single, Jill (2018), Music confirmed composed by Albert Saunders / this list compiled by Raymond Saunders dated 6th January 2018

[1] ttp://onesearch.slq.qld.gov.au/permalink/f/fhnkog/slq_alma21115576250002061

[2] "PASSING OF "ARTY" SAUNDERS". The Charleville Times. Queensland, Australia. 29 July 1949. p. 11. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[3] "AMATEUR TALENT QUEST". North West Champion. New South Wales, Australia. 21 January 1943. p. 5. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[4] "Moree A Beautiful Town". North West Champion. New South Wales, Australia. 21 January 1943. p. 1. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[5] "WRITING MUSIC FOR A SONG". Smith's Weekly. New South Wales, Australia. 10 November 1923. p. 12. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[6] "Pianist plays for judge in court". The Sun. New South Wales, Australia. 3 June 1952. p. 3 (LATE FINAL EXTRA). Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[7] "SAGA OF SONG IN COURT CLAIM". The Sun. New South Wales, Australia. 2 June 1952. p. 2 (LATE FINAL EXTRA). Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[8] "Widow Loses Claim Over Song". The Sydney Morning Herald. New South Wales, Australia. 27 June 1952. p. 5. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[9] "A WIDOW LOSES CLAIM SHE MAKES RESPECTING A SONG". The Evening Advocate. Queensland, Australia. 24 July 1952. p. 4. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[10] ""Now is the hour"". The Daily Telegraph. New South Wales, Australia. 16 May 1952. p. 6. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[11] "CLASSICAL MUSIC". Newcastle Morning Herald And Miners' Advocate. New South Wales, Australia. 11 October 1932. p. 8. Retrieved 19 March 2020 – via Trove.

[12] Saunders, Ray; Saunders, Ray; Single, Jill (2018), Music confirmed composed by Albert Saunders / this list compiled by Raymond Saunders dated 6th January 2018

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