Talk:Ashot II of Armenia

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Ashot I in the picture?[edit]

The source the picture is from simply refers to the illustration as "Ashod" right next to a page that mostly talks about Ashot I, but leaves out the Roman numeral, just like in the caption. Page 68 shows the author using Roman numerals in the caption of a picture of Leo VII, so perhaps the reason he did not for this image is because it is of Ashot I, not Ashot II? --Steverci (talk) 18:28, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I didn't think much of it, but for an individual remembered as the "Iron King" it makes for a very depressing portrait and that's why I would think this is Ashot I, rather than Ashot II, though even the former did not quite run into any failures during his reign as king. I'd support removing it.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:18, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The portrait doesn't strike me as depressing, I feel it has more of a tired feeling. Actually, it just occurred to me how old the king appears. Ashot I was 64 when he became king, and Ashot II was probably in-between 30-40. I think this further proves it is Ashot I. --Steverci (talk) 21:08, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

By the way do you have any idea who/what the coin drawings on the next page are depicting? --Steverci (talk) 21:09, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Armenian inscribed on the coin writes, "Het'um, King of the Armenians," which is probably a reference to either King Hethoum I or Hethoum II, kings of Cilician Armenia.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 23:29, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Answerstoeh (talk) 05:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC) There are three misinterpretations of cited sources in the Wikipedia articles. The origins of both Ripsime and her husband Nicolas are unknown. Proposed parents Ashot ll and Maria of Kachen had no children. The misinterpreted citations are: 1. The English Wikipedia article for Samuel of Bulgaria cites Samuel l'Arménien, roi des Bulgares by Samuel Adontz as the source for this connection, but that is not correct. Adontz writes that her name is a popular Armenian name but says nothing more (pg. 386 in book, pg. 42) https://archive.org/details/Adontz2018SamuelRoiDesBulgares/page/n41/mode/2up 2. French Wikipedia has: ““ Selon Christian Settipani, Achot d'Arménie et Marie de Katchen seraient les parents de Rhipsime, épouse de Nikola Kumet, eux-mêmes parents de Samuel de Bulgarie.” We asked Mr. Settipani about that on 20 February 2020. He responded: “Unfortunately, I don't know who is the author of the wikipedia notice, but he obviously didn't understand what I wrote at all. I said: "Rhipsimé, whose name refers as an Armenian, "but not necessarily a noble one") (p. 282, n. 3). That is all. I say nothing more on this subject and there is nothing more to say!" Ref: Continuité‪ des élites à Byzance durant les siècles obscurs: les princes caucasiens et l'empire du VIe au IXe siècle. Christopher Settipani. De Boccard, 2006 - Princes - 638 page‬s. GoogleBooks: https://books.google.com/books?id=IVdoAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Rhipsime+ 3. French Wikipedia has: “Selon le chroniqueur arménien Stéphane de Taron, le comte Nikola est originaire de la région arménienne de Derdjan. Marié avec Ripsime d'Arménie, fille d'Achot II Bagratouni et de sa femme Marie de Katchen1,2. “But there is no mention of children of Ashot ll in de Taron: https://archive.org/details/desstephanosvont00step/page/124/mode/2up[reply]