Talk:Ayyār

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Questions regarding Ayyār[edit]

Here are the claims of the last edit for this page:

-Ayyār are supposed not to be thieves: Source? And even if there was a source, it would only contradict the others translations. It wouldn't be enough to remove completely the words "vagabond" and "thieves" from the page, who've been properly sourced.

-"Ayyaran are also a political group.": in which country? Source? Number of publicly registered members of this group?

-"The member of an ancient Iranian noble family, Dr Hossein Homayoun Fard Mohammad Abadi founded the political group Ayyaran[1] in 1976 in Paris, claiming directly from the historical continuity of the ayyaran knighthood and recognized as it by public authorities of many countries like Iran and France where he is living now.": there's no trace of any recognition by the said governments? Source?

-"This political group known in Iran have been acting in the interests of Iran in silence for many years,": I've censored the "silence"... Who's not a source.

-"but in 2017, Dr Homayoun Fard Mohammad Abadi presented himself as candidate for the Presidential Iranian elections in the name of Ayyaran Group.": there's one single article about this man. He isn't inside the official list of the candidates (there was more than 1600 of them, almost everyone can be candidate in Iran). — Preceding unsigned comment added by HamzaShirazi (talk • contribs) 09:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About the removal of an encyclopedic source to put another website. You can't compare an encyclopedia with a regular website. And, even if there was only one source vs another, there would be two translation, not the only one given by the other editor.

The word Ayyar being translated as "vagabond" can also be sourced with the following links:

-History of al-Tabari Volume 35, The The Crisis of the Abbasid Caliphate Page 66, and Volume XL, The: Index, Volume 10, Page XVIII;

-Hasan-i-Sabbah: His Life and Thought, Page 34;

-International Journal of Sports and Culture;

-The Institude of Ismaili Studies;

-Brill online reference;

-even a tour operator uses this translation.

The thieves use is also available there:

-Encyclopedia Britannica (and even if this article talks about a small political role, as nothing more than mercenaries, ayyars are far from having any kind of prestige, on the contrary of some well-known groups, like the Shinshengumi in Japan);

-Islamic Urban Studies, Page 102;

-has also impacted India.

Now, about this huge advertisment regarding a fictionnal political group leader. To be a candidate into the 2017 Presidential Election in Iran, the candidacy had to be made in Iran. Nobody living in France could have done such a thing. Candidacy had to be given to وزارت کشور‎‎ (Iran's Ministry of Interior).

Also, the 115th article of the Iranian Constitution claims candidates must have: "convinced belief in the fundamental principles of the Islamic Republic of Iran". Someone who left his country in 1974 for "political reasons" and to never go back wouldn't fit this criteria. Even the French article from a small city newspaper quoted by the other editor ends with a doubtful statement: "C’est là que commencera, ou non, la campagne".

Anyway, the list of candidates was publicly announced by Iranian government, and this individual wasn't part of the election. Needless to say that if a major politician from another country was in France, there would be thousands of articles about his presence (a google search with "Hariri France", Hariri being a Libanese politician who came in France in 2017, gives 2 820 000 results).

Reza Fariborz (talk) 02:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]