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Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for Barbados. The coordinates given are off-- the island when zoomed all the way in. It may need to be more than simply 13.10 N. I don't know enough about "Geonet Names Server" to take it on. But some points that might be considered? The Lord Nelson Statue at the west end of National Heroes' Square (according to the A~Z of Barbados Heritage says that during the colonial years all distances in Barbados from Bridgetown were measured from the base on that statue. If not that, might want to consider the courtyard of Parliament (as the seat of central government), else and further yet perhaps the Cathedral Church of Saint Michael and All Angels as it was once the vestry of Bridgetown, Barbados and the Windward islands. Perhaps the actual centre of Barbados can be found and that used? I.D.K. I'm not qualified to make the decision, but the current coords are off the island completely.

—CaribDigita (talk) 02:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

 Fixed by Backspace — TransporterMan (TALK) 17:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Useful external link?

Hello!

I think this link might be useful, in the "External links" section.

Barbados Criminal Court Structure

Cheers!

A 217.204.247.185 (talk) 16:32, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice find... It would go well (I think) on the article about the "Judiciary_of_Barbados". -- CaribDigita (talk) 02:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Rihanna's Photo

I know this is not relevant, and I don't even know who Rihanna is, but her picture is horrible, she is at an acward stansce and you cannot see her face. Looks bad in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.153.88 (talk) 15:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Fixed by someone. Materialscientist (talk) 01:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Links

These links have been here, and as a matter a fact Barbados' links section has no more than America's for example. Is that also excessive?

  • Barbados Government—official website

(Is what it is)

  • Official webpage of Queen Elizabeth II as Queen of Barbados

(is what it is)

  • Barbados Government Informations Service (BGIS)

(Is the official press release department of the government)

  • Cabinet Ministers of the Government of Barbados

(Here because the portfolio of the ministers changes every few weeks, and that makes makes CIA and UCL/s links useless actually as they're only updated say once or twice a year)

  • Barbados Investment and Development Corporation

(Government's investment organisation and references the development portions of the article i.e. Kensington Oval etc. and has manufacturing & industry statistics at hand)

  • Barbados Museum & Historical Society

(Ref to the history section)

  • Barbados Statistical Service (BSS)

(Is the actual information agency of the government with up to date statistics on economy)

  • Barbados Tourism Authority—The Ministry of Tourism

(Every other country on WP has this)

  • Central Bank of Barbados website

(key facts dealing with the economy section of this article.)

  • Parliament of Barbados official website

(Every other country on WP has this ref as branch of gov't)

  • Barbados Maritime Ship Registry

(Is the government's investment authority.)

CaribDigita (talk) 13:24, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Tourism in Barbados

Hi! It would be great if you could create this article: Tourism in Barbados!

Perhaps you can draw some inspiration from Tourism in Brazil and Tourism in Germany. :) Use proper sources! Thanks & all the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 22:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Location

I changed "The far eastern location in the Atlantic Ocean" to something less likely to give the impression that Barbados is near Africa. Harfarhs (talk) 20:06, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

?Aboriginal population?

As currently written, the second paragraph (beginning "Barbados was visited by Spanish navigators...") appears to suggest that Barbados was an entirely uninhabited island prior to the arrival of English settlers. Is this actually the case? It seems unlikely that the no one lived there, but I don't know this for a fact. I visited this page to learn the the answer to this very question. Anyone? Karenmkrohn (talk) 12:06, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

That information is in the History section (and also in the History of Barbados article), but it should've also been in the intro. I've added it. IgnorantArmies (talk) 13:32, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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Second in corruption?

"Barbados ranked second in the Americas . . . on Transparency International's Corruption Perception Index." This suggests to me a high level of corruption, until I check the CPI link and find it is just the opposite. Although I guess seeing Canada as number 1 should have tipped me off. Maybe "second most favorable rating . . "? Eaberry (talk) 02:47, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Renewables

This article needs an article on renewable energy (if any) in Barbados. MaynardClark (talk) 23:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

There seems to be significant solar energy development in Barbados. A growth of 45x (4500%) between 2001 and 2015 has been claimed.[1][2]

Sustainable development goals (SDGs)

This article on Barbados needs an article on the post-2015 Sustainable development goals (SDGs) as they apply to, and involve, Barbados, a small island nation in the Caribbean, where the alliteration of People, Planet, Peace, Partnership, and Prosperity is heard. MaynardClark (talk) 23:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Chocolate

https://storify.com/AAAS119X902/the-barbados-slave-system-an-important-addition-to — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.25.4.118 (talk) 23:19, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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Barbados White European population

Some of them are Portuguese (a large presence in the Caribbean), French (the same throughout the Americas) and few White Russian emigres descendants (they fled Russia after the Soviet October Revolution in 1917). But the overall majority of White Europeans like 90% are British (English and Scots) and Irish descent. Many have mixed with the Black or Afro-descendant majority. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 10:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Removed unsourced information

See below unsourced content removed from main article - please only replace when the information has reliable sources in the correct citation formation. MassiveEartha (talk) 16:51, 29 April 2018 (UTC) 

In 2007, Barbados hosted the Cricket World Cup at the newly-renovated Kensington Oval with the Warm-Up Matches on 5 & 9 March, the Super 8 Matches on 11, 13, 15, 17, 19 and 21 April and the Final Match on 28 April 2007 (National Heroes' Day).

The Countdown to 50 Years of Independence began on 1 December 2015 and ended on 30 November 2016.

In 2017, it had started with Carifesta XIII in Barbados from 17-27 August and also on 17 August 2017, the Carifesta XIII Barbados event had been postponed due to the passage of Tropical Storm Harvey until 20 August 2017. The last time Carifesta I had started in Barbados was from 13-25 July 1981.

Religion on Barbados

This page has wildly different numbers for religious demographics in multiple places. The info box on top disagrees with the main text, and both disagree with the pie chart. Josh Roby (talk) 14:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

What is the connection with Wisconsin?

Why is there a redirect page to this article from "Barbados, Wisconsin" ? "Wisconsin" isn't mentioned in the article. As far as I know, there isn't a Barbados, Wisconsin. If there is, there should be an article about that, even if a stub, instead of a redirect page. SlowJog (talk) 16:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Abbreviation... Historic documentation will often say "Barbados, WI/ or Barbados W.I." (the W.I. short for West Indies) sometimes U.S. postal service or others, museums etc. confused for meaning "Wisconsin." Can safely be ignored.

Example: * Arrival at Barbados Airport The above page of the "Wisconsin Historical Society" says or leads people to believe there's a Barbados, Wisconsin."

This mistake is made many times throughout history, hence the redirect to point to what "Barbados, WI" actually means. As far as I am aware there's no Barbados in Wisconsin but many sources keep mentioning it. CaribDigita (talk) 16:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

History after 1807?

Nothing happened after 1807 when slavery was outlawed? Can information from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Barbados be incorporated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.247.135.145 (talk) 19:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

This is an urgent problem with this article. --LukeSurl t c 13:08, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Should the source "Spanish Main" be decommissioned?

So I originally found that source listed, a book named "Spanish Main" while looking through a book shelf in the Library I believe at Harvard and added it as a source. HOWEVER, it appears the islands the book is referring to (and affirming) seemingly in error as "Caribbean" are actually found in Cape Verde Islands near Africa. I'll admit many of the islands are close in name to the Caribbean Islands which is probably what led the author to claim they've made the big discovery. Saint Lucia (Caribbean) and Santa Luzia(Cape Verde), Saint Vincent (Caribbean) and São Vicente (Cape Verde), Spanish Main cites a next island as being near Barbados called "Mayo" this seems to be again "Mayo Island" in Cape Verde as the Spanish Main author himself states he cannot find Mayo in Caribbean maps after a while. How best to remedy? Should Spanish Main just be banished and not referred to again??? Should a write-up be made about this historical claim being questionable? CaribDigita (talk) 04:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

The then incomparable...

Perhaps my ignorance, but this is incomprehensible to me. If it's a title it should be capitalized, and in any case explained.

“the then incomparable 1st Premier of Barbados”, “the then incomparable Prime Minister of Barbados, Tom Adams”, “the then incomparable 3rd Prime Minister of Barbados”, “the then incomparable 6th Prime Minister of Barbados”. Cwrwgar (talk) 17:02, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Where is the source of this information?

The current 4th paragraph in the article reads the following: "The name "Barbados" is from either the Portuguese term os barbudos or the Spanish equivalent, los barbudos, both meaning "the bearded ones". It is unclear whether "bearded" refers to the long, hanging roots of the bearded fig-tree (Ficus citrifolia), indigenous to the island, or to the allegedly bearded Caribs who once inhabited the island, or, more fancifully, to a visual impression of a beard formed by the sea foam that sprays over the outlying reefs. In 1519, a map produced by the Genoese mapmaker Visconte Maggiolo showed and named Barbados in its correct position. Furthermore, the island of Barbuda in the Leewards is very similar in name and was once named "Las Barbudas" by the Spanish."

What exactly is the citation for this? This format of this paragraph was in a completely broken state when I first saw it (now fixed), and it is unclear if the citation of the next paragraph also refers to this or if this paragraph is simple not cited. The only once of the references I could access did not include this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp144 (talk • contribs) 02:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

There are many fanciful urban legends in Barbados that have existed for years. They get more and more corrupted over time and this maybe one. Barbados.org often says one thing and it'll sometimes be different from other things that are in print yet it doesn't seem to readily source their material. A Mr. Warren Alleyne (dec'd) in Government did much of the history research for the gov't in the 1960s and 70's.

The book The Spanish Main seems to speak in an authoritative manner about Barbados & Barbuda however the map they seem to (at least) partly be speaking of lists an island of Mayo or Maio. Along with other islands names which at first sound like it's St Lucia and St Vincent, which actually seems to line up with the Cape Verde Islands, on the opposite side of the Atlantic Ocean which were also Portuguese. I say all that to say, someone could make a research project out of it. There's a lot of info to unpack. No doubt traveling to Spain, Netherlands, Portugal, and the National Archive in Barbados perhaps involved. I don't know if the will exists in Barbados to research it which is why some sources just outright claim the Portuguese didn't know how to speak their own language when naming Barbados. ('Los Barbados'). Everyone always says Columbus never landed on Barbados. No idea if that is true or not, should be researched too. CaribDigita (talk) 00:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Split after the switch to republic

After Barbados becoming a republic has happened, is it intended to separate the years 1966–2021 as a Commonwealth realm into its own, historical article? As of 20 April 2020, Trinidad and Tobago no longer has a separate article for its years as a Commonwealth realm, but all other former realms have. August-54 (talk) 08:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

  • If needed. Many of those nations have had notable structural changes. I.e. country name changes i.e. Belize (British Honduras), Guyana (the former colonies of Berbice, Demerara, and Essequibo, and British Guiana). Etc. And/or switching of global powers. If there's no reason to have a separate-one for Barbados due to relatively little happening in Barbados then there's no reason to create a mirror image if nothing notable additionally happens. A possible "President of Barbados" article could be created (if that's what the post is named), which will probably be enough with list of names like GGs and Gov'ns. Like in the Commonwealth of Dominica. CaribDigita (talk) 02:40, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Anglo-washing

I love it how you Wikipedia English editors still maintain the Black Legend and your own Anglo-civilising legends no matter how scientific and encyclopedic you claim to strive to be. Take a look:

Barbados was invaded by Spanish navigators in the late 15th century

An English ship, the Olive Blossom, arrived in Barbados on 14 May 1625; its men took possession of the island in the name of King James I.

Obvious, isn't it? The former were sadistic murderers in search of gold while the latter were peaceful civilising merchants and discoverers... Go and ask the Indians, Africans, Burmese, Tasmanians! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.146.182.43 (talk) 16:23, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

No, well, it's not at all obvious, actually. You probably ought to work on your reading comprehension as there is not the slightest hint of any bias in the above statements (i.e. it's all in your head). FYI "took possession" and "invaded " have exactly the same connotation in this context. HTH. 95.148.110.128 (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Constitutional monarchy vs republic

After Mia Mottley's announcement this week, editors are continually changing the article to reflect Barbados as a republic and remove mention of the Monarchy of Barbados. However, that change has not yet occurred, it has only been announced (with the goal of full republicanism by November 2021). As of now, the nation remains part of the monarchy until it officially announces otherwise, per: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54174794 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/barbados-revives-plan-to-remove-queen-as-head-of-state-and-become-a-republic https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/247679/barbados-republic --Chimino (talk) 05:50, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Agree, any editor that changes it to republic should be reverted per WP:CRYSTALBALL. It's not correct until the point that Barbados officially gets rid of the monarchy in (apparently) 2021. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
And still the ridiculous two boxes claiming disputed neutrality are for what? The information given there is correct; Barbados has declared its intentions. What I see are Monarchists in a flap.86.87.191.180 (talk) 22:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Split

As Barbados is becoming a republic this year, I suggest that an article titled Barbados (1966–2021) be created, consistent with other former realms. And it should not be a complete mirror of this article, just a summary of that period of Barbadian history, including how it became a realm on independence, and how the government functioned. Peter Ormond 💬 19:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

  • Disagree per the reasons laid out by User:CaribDigita in the section above. Unless there are major structural changes to Barbados' political system, other than a substitution of Queen & Governor General with President (or whatever the title may be when chosen), there is nothing to warrant a separate article. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment is Barbados having a referendum on this monarch-to-republic change or is it being done unilaterally by the government. Furthermore, what type of republic? Presidential, semi-presidential, or parliamentary. GoodDay (talk) 13:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
The Parliament of Barbados held a internal election amongst themselves. That's all that was done.

There is currently a high court challenge by a leader of one of the opposition parties in Barbados seeking to block the change right now.

There's a PDF ref (booklet) by the government that I added to the Barbados Independence Act 1966 article. CaribDigita (talk) 04:45, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Atlantic Island

In the rather extensive introduction to the island, it states that Barbados is an Atlantic island that is associated with the Caribbean, but the Western seaboard of the island forms part of the border between the Caribbean sea and the Atlantic Ocean. It is a coral island unlike the nearby volcanic islands. Britannica lists Barbados' location as in the Caribbean sea as does Geographica: The Complete Illustrated Atlas of the World, published 1999. Are there any other sources, preferably geographical so they're directly relevant that refer to Barbados as an Atlantic island? If so it would be helpful if they could be added. Iynx (talk) 07:42, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2021

AddRepublic of Barbados 2601:47:4380:AFD8:5191:B58E:A5AB:7F7C (talk) 11:38, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

When will they become a republic?

Will the country become a republic at the stroke of mid-night Barbados time? GoodDay (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes. 199.7.157.76 (talk) 03:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2021

Republic of Barbados 64.119.192.20 (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Unless you can provider a source that the name has changed,  Not done. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Phonemic vs. phonetic brackets

In the paragraph "Etymology" it says in the third section:

"the Igbo phoneme [e] in the Igbo orthography is very close to /ɪ/."

Surely, the brackets should be swapped here. Phonemes are always put in phonemic brackets, i.e. /.../, whereas phones (speech sounds) should use phonetic brackets, i.e. [...]. The section should say:

"the Igbo phoneme /e/ in the Igbo orthography is very close to [ɪ]."

Can someone fix this? --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

That rendering is a function of the {{IPAc-en}} template. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2021

Republic of Barbados 64.119.192.8 (talk) 04:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 05:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

The CIA World Factbook Updated Entry For Barbados

According to the updated entry for Barbados on the CIA World Fact Book (See here) It stated that the Barbados government type is "Parliamentary Republic; a Commonwealth Realm" whereas Wikipedia show it as a "Unitary parliamentary constitutional republic". Before I edit the page and start a s**t storm of anger and edit wars I wanted to discuss it first on the talk page. Seems to me that the Central Intelligence Agency is a reliable source about foreign governments and that using their entry from the World Factbook in the Wikipedia Barbados InfoBox under Government would be prudent. What does everyone else think. YborCityJohn (talk) 06:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

  • Your mind and mine are of the same. I've brought it up too. The CIA World Factbook profiles of each country were the original source for government profiles going back to the founding on Wikipedia in the early 2000s. It was the basis for almost all country profiles on Wikipedia. Overtime the Wikipedia country articles have gotten edited to include differing Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. I have similarly highlighted that the term remains "Original Research" because no profile page anywhere (referenced) at this time says "Barbados is a _Unitary, x.y.z., cat, dog, racoon, etc., whatever you want to call it _". It is just 'assumed' that if Barbados doesn't fit other criteria then it must fall under 'that' but that is the very nature of original research which WP tries to stay away from. I am in full agreement with you.
If you goto that actual term. I've to find as many references as I could of actual pages which says "this country is unitary_blank". So it is absolving wikipedia of being the classifier as currently. Someone put one for Barbados there, but it still doesn't say that for Barbados. But I've left it alone for now. CaribDigita (talk) 06:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Ongoing Effort to Undermine Barbados's Transition to Republic

Just wanted to leave this deep dive into the history of republicanism in Barbados from University College London: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fTUZ7WmH40

The transition to republic has overwhelming public support and it is not true that any significant portion of the population opposed the move. Just thought it should be noted for future edits.

Republicanism in Barbados also has problem with biased, misleading wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertambition (talk • contribs) 04:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Paragraph suggesting that the majority of the nation was not in favor of becoming a republic

I've noted my objections here to this content; the "poll" makes no claims to being statistically sound in terms of sampling, and the additional content makes claims that are not supported in the supplied source (that the PM "refused" to hold referendums). OhNoitsJamie Talk 01:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

The first part is a Facebook poll, which clearly isn't a reliable source. The second isn't an accurate representation of the source material - it isn't just on-sided (the source gives two sides of the referendum issue) it makes even stronger claims that the source does ("refused") and does so in Wikipedia's voice. I don't think the Daily Express is a great source anyway - it has a clear agenda that would probably be at odds with the "insult" of demoting the queen. Guettarda (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Definitely think that poll was misleading. I removed it because online polls are not a reliable source and it presented a misleading picture of public opinion. Desertambition (talk) 04:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
So is there a consensus to remove the problematic parts of that paragraph? A User keeps reverting it. User:Gemini.skywalker 8:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I'd say there is a consensus. I searched for news stories about polling around time time of the transition; I was unable to find anything that suggested that the majority of the population was opposed to it, though one article did mention that the majority of the correspondents were "indifferent," or were unclear on how the change would impact them. [2]. In any case, this article should summarize the transition to a republic concisely; we have a separate article Republicanism in Barbados that goes into greater detail. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Well I removed the paragraphs. I wasnt sure if to keep the UWI poll too for the sake of brevity but unlike the Facebook poll, It was more academic so I left that. I also removed the paragraph sourcing The Express as its clearly biased and not very reliable. User:Gemini.skywalker 7:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
  1. ^ Solar Barbados website
  2. ^ Solar businesses in Barbados
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