Talk:Barry Hill Palmer

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First flexwing hang gliders[edit]

Richard Miller had the Bamboo Butterfly and its plans. Later Taras Kiceniuk and his crew made their own bamboo glider and made their own plans for their Batso. The literature is confusing the credits on the two names. Clear citations are still encouraged for the discernment. Taras Kiceniuk is still active and avaialable for authoritative discerning this matter. Gary Osoba has contact with Taras.

Barry Hill Palmer did in fact, as shown, use the shown triangle control frame truss (Pratt truss?...1800s and placed his body behind the triangle on at least one of his 7 or 8 hang gliders...and used that triangle to push or pull for pitch and roll his body mass.

The words of his video might be placed in full in this biography of accomplishments. Joefaust (talk) 00:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What has been the result of the discrepancy of Palmer's sentence of "FIRST FLIGHTS IN DECEMBER, OF 1960,, this is possibly the predecessor of the earliest example of a modern hang glider." with respect to the "In October 1961 he completed" It seems that the two dates might be confusing something that Palmer could clarify; someplace he stories about the aluminum coming from a college campus in 1960. Joefaust (talk) 00:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Airfoil[edit]

Whoever deleted airfoil, stating that a flex-wing does not have any. Please take look at the definition of airfoil:

"An airfoil is the shape of a wing or blade (of a propeller, rotor or turbine) or sail as seen in cross-section."

Note that control surfaces are not a requisite to be an airfoil. Good thing the anomymous edits on this issue were reverted. BatteryIncluded (talk) 03:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Change by the subject: Some of the gliders had as much as 100 degrees of included angle at the forward, and the last one, with the stick and swing seat, had radically outward curvature of the leading edges forward. B.P

Benson Gyrocopter[edit]

"Benson Gyrocopter" reference removed as it is immaterial. Note that this area was re-written to avoid confusion as it was written. Also, the Benson Gyrocopter is very definitely NOT a weight shift craft, although it is called that by the media. The way the Benson works is that the control stick "points" the rotor head in the desired direction of travel, and the blades (rotor disc) follows with a brief hesitation to catch up with the newly established rotor head position. Almost no control moment, which causes the weight shift, is carried from the pilot seat to the rotor due to the flexibility of the rotor and the "flapping hinge" of the rotor, (and if that did occur, there would probably be an accident.) Also, the rudder is a necessity on this type of craft to keep the craft (pilot seat) heading and is usually moved via foot pedals. Unfortunately I can only reference this by engineering expertise, but serious examination, common sense after examining the Benson hardware, (and a little help from a brief flight in a Benson by this writer, where this hesitation is obvious.)

Barry Palmer, sevtec