Talk:Battle of Krasnohorivka

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Battle has begun[edit]

Russia has recently entered the city and, this time, it was confirmed by geolocated evidence (unlike the late February – mid March attack). See https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-9-2024 and https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 20:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True. Article can be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bortak42 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 background info[edit]

Does anyone else agree that the 2023 background info is unrelated to the current battle? By the way, that is a remnant of the previous iteration of this article. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 04:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've removed the part about unverified old casualties but kept the info on the capture of the coal mine as it likely served a stepping stone for the latest assaults. That tiny paragraph could still be improved though. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 20:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turtle tanks[edit]

Russia has been using "turtle tanks" to mitigate damage from Ukrainian drones. This should be covered in a "Tactics" section. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 21:03, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Country flags[edit]

@Cinderella157: I would argue that at least country flags serve a purpose in the infobox. Just like a text conveys information, an image can aswell. In fact, an image conveys information (at a glance) faster than text if the reader is familiar with them. Given the Russian and Ukrainian flags are very well known worldwide, pretty much anyone will quickly recognize the combatants when looking at the infobox, which is the aim of an infobox. The same cannot be said about army flags or unit badges. Most people gain no insight from looking at them and, as such, I would agree that those are mostly ornamental. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 04:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexis, I could reasonably argue otherwise regarding the flags for the countries: that the words are sufficient and that the flags are primarily decorative. However, I will not press the issue in this case. Cinderella157 (talk) 12:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course words words are sufficient, but at least country flags can help a bit in this case. They're engrained in our brains and help with quicker info aquisition. Of course I can't extend this argument to lesser known country flags, which raises an issue of inconsistency. I'm an advocate for consistency, but (for now) I would be satisfied with local consistency, i.e. consistency within all Ukraine war articles, not global. As such and as you implied, I believe we reached a reasonable compromise in this specific case. ;) Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 16:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cinderella157 should get solid ban for vandalism. Bortak42 (talk) 06:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trolling of Cinderella157[edit]

User Cinderella157 constantly vandalizes the article and does not recognize that the armed forces of Russia and the armed forces of Ukraine are involved. Where do these brigades come from? From the moon?

Bortak42, if you wish to accuse me of being a vandal (as you have above and in tour edit summaries) and of being a troll, you should do so at the appropriate venue (eg WP:ANI) otherwise, you should strike your comment here. Cinderella157 (talk) 12:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly urge you to drop those accusations as that's a losing battle, especially since Cinderalla is clearly in the right here. Take this as a misunderstanding. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 16:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turtle tanks reportedly have also been used near Klishchiivka[edit]

Would be nice to comment this here or in the Eastern Ukraine campaign page. Just gotta find the source from several days ago. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 20:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Casualty claims[edit]

I once again express my concern with casualty claims in general, especially day-by-day ones. This kind of info suffers from various issues. They are mostly unverifiable, are often used in a propagandistic manner by Ukraine (this is a common theme in their media space, along with human wave stuff), are not encyclopedic (day-by-day numbers), etc. Unless this is an abnormal battle case (very high or very low casualties), such casualty info does not really add to the article. Furthermore, it often raises unbalance issues as the Russians hardly make casualty statements about specific battles (they don't have to anyways). At most, I think we could include total figures at the end of the battle. The further away from the battle end as possible to avoid leaking information warfare claims into the article. Oh, and lastly, sorry, I admit I was a little blunt with the revert summary, but here is the full explanation. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 17:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]