Talk:Bayraktar (song)/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Gazozlu (talk · contribs) 20:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Overall the article does not have any problems, however it seems quite short, which might not be a problem, but that's the first impression.

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar is good.

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
Compliant
Is it verifiable with no original research?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
sources should be listed as Last name, First name

Actually, that isn't clarified in WP:CITEHOW, which just says "byline (author's name), if any" for news articles. The "Last, First" method is used in books to make the {{Sfn}} template work.

Ok.

B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
All sources generally reliable except for https://theaviationgeekclub.com/ which is a blog and may or may not be reliable depending on the credentials of the author and the editorial policy of the blog. I see that the author of the referenced blog-article is "William Cobb" who is a " licensed Instrument Flight Instructor in Single and Multi Engine Airplanes who is the founder and director of the Pensacola Aerospace Museum. Mr. Cobb spent from 2008 to 2015 instructing for the U.S. Navy's Initial Flight Screening program. After 8 years of full time Flight Instruction, Mr. Cobb started his own Commercial Drone Business, obtaining the first FAA Part 107 certification in his FAA region. Subsequent Drone work led to his becoming involved in Film Production work, and his establishing the Pensacola Aerospace Museum, an entity dedicated to honoring the memory of all those who ever gave their lives to flight." so the source seems to have some credibility despite being a blog. If it is made clear in the text that the information sourced from the blog is from based on what "William Cobb" ... a flight instructor and founder of bla bla bla... said then that might be ok.

Removed source.

Ok.

C. It contains no original research:
No original research.

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
No copyvio.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
Adresses the main points, may be some new aspects that can be written about such as crackdowns on people playing the song. Selcuk Bayraktar stating that Russia won't get the drones might be also mentioned as they are the victim of the song and the drones. A bit more context in how the drones have become a symbol of resistance for ukraine, via the song, in a similar way that the Javelins have become a symbol of resistance as well via the St.Javelin meme.

There wasn't coverage about the song for a loooong time. The prof getting fired is very recent and worth mentioning. I don't see the relation of the song and Russia not getting the drones. Added the symbol of resistance.

Ok.

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Stays focused.
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
Given that it is a "propaganda" song, it might be mentioned that it is such. Mentioning the word "propaganda" may have negative connotation but there can be a more neutral way to say it like the song is intended to motivate Ukrainian soldiers and intimidated the Russians.

Yeah makes sense. Added in body and lead, because it clearly is one.

Ok.

Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
No edit war, only real war.
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
There are no images about the song. Could perhaps use a still capture from one of the various music videos, or the official music video. Can also include audio clips or video clips of the song being played at public protests/demonstrations in support of Ukraine.

There isn't a requirement of having images in GAs.

Not required, but appropriate when talking about music videos and video clips. If you can it would be a good addition to the article over all.

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
The one included image is ok because it is the drone that the song is about.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
The article seems to need a bit of expansion, perhaps including also the Lyrics and their translation in the Lyrics section.

That's a clear

Not done: the lyrics are, as far as I know, copyrighted. Unless a reliable source states that it isn't, we can't add the lyrics. Some people have tried in the past, but were reverted.

Ok. International Business Times published the entire translated lyrics however.

The first paragraph of the "Reception and legacy" section reads rather like a list, perhaps this can be written in a more digestible way.

I'm not sure how I can do that, but I'll look into it tomorrow. ~Styyx^Talk? 21:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok will check again.

Comment: You mention that the video was removed. But it is worth mentioning the various versions that have been uploaded and are still up, and the diffrent video clips. Also when you are talking about the original video clip specify that (because the one with the explosions is the original clip that was later removed).

Also worth mentioning Army FM and that “The soldiers love that music,” Davidov said. “They request the Bayraktar song all the time.”. And give some context about what Army FM is.

Also the Bayraktar song and Bayraktar’s impact on the ground have developed a special relationship between Ukraine and Turkey. The band of the Ukrainian Army released a video on the day of Eid al-Fitr, . The source is technically a blog but a reliable one written by someone qualified in the field affiliated with LSE.

Gazozlu, added the LSE source. However, I'd like to withdraw this GA nomination and renominate it at a further date. Can you mark this as failed for me? Thanks. ~Styyx^Talk? 11:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that's fine. The article is almost there it just needs a little work on the organisation and perhaps to be a bit updated with newer information. In the mean time you or someone else can re-nominate it when they feel like it is ready. Gazozlu (talk) 12:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Suspending review at the request of the nominator, who has requested more time to work on the article on a longer term timeframe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazozlu (talk • contribs) 12:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]