Talk:Burrito/Archive 3

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Chimichangas

Chimichangas are independently notable as a subject, but is also very closely related to the subject of this article as they deep fried burritos. That being said, should there be a summary on this article page in the Other varieties section, supported by reliable sources, such as the one I linked?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

You should first cross-reference Chetwynd's claim about the origin of the chimicahnga with other sources to make sure the information is accurate. Viriditas (talk) 20:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Just looking at the article page, it appears there are multiple verifiable claims of origin. This therefore, falls under WP:VNT and it appears that article deals with it well, but listing them without giving one any more weight than another. Perhaps, this article should make a brief mention that there are multiple claims of origin of the fried burrito/chimichanga.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Other burrito variants

• Presently Korean burrito is a redirect to Korean taco, made back in 2009. There are multiple mentions of the burrito variant, a fusion dish. Perhaps it deserves a mention as well.
• There is also multiple mentions of the Sisig burrito.
  • SFWeekly, a news blog
  • Yahoo News Philippines
  • Manila Bulletin

The Korean burrito appears to have far more sources than the sisig burrito, however both are verifiable variants. The only thing I can see denying either being mentioned in this article is WP:WEIGHT, however given that there is not size issue as defined by WP:LIMIT, and there are no POV issues (that I am aware of), there shouldn't be an issue with a sentence for each.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

There are breakfast burritos which consist of scrambled eggs, wheat flour tortilla and sometimes meat, (Like ham," — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.52.108.158 (talk) 03:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Changes in the burrito page.

My name is Cesar and I am from Juarez, birthplace of this food that the whole world now enjoy and love. I was reading the information about this type of food only to find out that the history of the burrito is still unknown and some other places take credit for. Apparently our history on the subject is nothing more than a folk tale to the other editors of the page. I do take offense in someone else saying things about that is a lie. We are proud people and we take pride even in the little things. Ask the 1.5 million people that live there (this according to your site which is wrong because that number is for the registered people living there. The actual number is close to 3 million). Please give credit where credit is due. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.176.61.126 (talk) 00:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Please propose your changes here so that others will understand you request. Viriditas (talk) 00:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The precise origin of the modern burrito is that of a man named Juan Méndez who sold tacos in a street stand in the Bella Vista neighborhood of Ciudad Juárez, using a donkey as a transport for himself and the food, during the Mexican Revolution period (1910–1921).[9] To keep the food warm, Méndez wrapped it in large homemade flour tortillas underneath a small tablecloth. Known as "El Senor de los burritos" (i.e., "the man with the donkeys") grew in popularity, "burrito" was eventually adopted as the name for these large tacos.[4] That is the actual story. It is not a folk tale as the other editors have put in. There is no other creation story as they have written. And why add the Sonora cafe stuff here and not in the section about regions since they have a part for California there.

The precise origin of the modern burrito is not known. It may have originated with vaqueros in northern Mexico in the nineteenth century;[4] farmworkers in the fields of California's Central Valley, in Fresno and Stockton; or with northern Sonoran miners of the 19th century.[2][7] In the 1895 Diccionario de Mexicanismos, the burrito was identified as a regional item from Guanajuato and defined as "Tortilla arrollada, con carne u otra cosa dentro, que en Yucatán llaman coçito, y en Cuernavaca y en Mexico, taco" (A rolled tortilla with meat or other ingredients inside, called 'coçito' in Yucatán and 'taco' in the city of Cuernavaca and in Mexico City).[8] An often-repeated folk history is that of a man named Juan Méndez who sold tacos in a street stand in the Bella Vista neighborhood of Ciudad Juárez, using a donkey as a transport for himself and the food, during the Mexican Revolution period (1910–1921).[9] To keep the food warm, Méndez wrapped it in large homemade flour tortillas underneath a small tablecloth. As the "food of the burrito" (i.e., "food of the little donkey") grew in popularity, "burrito" was eventually adopted as the name for these large tacos.[4] Another creation story comes from 1940s Ciudad Juárez, where a street food vendor created the tortilla-wrapped food to sell to poor children at a state-run middle school. The vendor would call the children his burritos, as burro is a colloquial term for dunce or dullard. Eventually, the derogatory or endearing term for the children was transferred to the food they ate.[4] In 1923, Alejandro Borquez opened the Sonora cafe in Los Angeles, which later changed its name to the El Cholo Spanish Cafe.[10] Burritos first appeared on American restaurant menus at the El Cholo Spanish Cafe during the 1930s.[11] Burritos were mentioned in the U.S. media for the first time in 1934,[12] appearing in the Mexican Cookbook, a collection of regional recipes from New Mexico authored by historian Erna Fergusson.[13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by CeaseTheSleaze (talk • contribs) 00:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, I think I understand your complaint. The problem here, is that you are taking the term "folk history" as a pejorative or an epithet when it isn't used that way in English. Another thing, we don't deal in "precision" when it comes to culinary history or history of any kind. Even in the sciences, precision is a goal, but difficult to achieve. But, more to the point, you are claiming that the "precise origin of the modern burrito" is known. That's an extraordinary statement and is very unlikely. How do you know this? Can you point us to a book or article on the subject? Your proposed edit eliminates competing stories of origin. However, Wikipedia uses a NPOV, which means we need to represent competing origin stories proportionally based on their preponderance in reliable stories. Viriditas (talk) 00:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Since it's such a common knowledge in my home town, state, and country that we really have no need to make books about it this is just an article of many that I just found online by using a search engine.

http://www.travbuddy.com/travel-blogs/6667/Burrito-Juarez-World-16 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CeaseTheSleaze (talk • contribs) 01:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

It would be extremely helpful if you took a look at WP:RS and WP:NPOV. --Ronz (talk) 23:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Consenus?

In a recent reversion an editor stated that there was consensus for content to remain in the article. I did a search of the archive for the term "columbian" and no discussion came up. There is also no present discussion about pre-columbian related cuisine to the burrito. What consensus is the editor talking about?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of previous discussions (or lack thereof), there has been some uncertainty over the last day or so about what is appropriate to put in the history section. I think the current version is actually pretty good. I would probably remove this sentence:

"Spanish missionaries like Bernardino de Sahagún wrote about Aztec cuisine, describing the variety of tortillas and their preparation, noting that the Aztecs not only used corn in their tortillas, but also squash and amaranth, and that some varieties used turkey eggs or honey as a flavoring."

It discusses tortillas and their flavorings, but does not discuss fillings or other burrito-like properties. That leaves the two sentences about the Aztecs and the Pueblos using tortillas with fillings. That seems reasonably enough connected to the modern burrito to keep. We probably only need one adjective in the first sentence, though: either "Pre-Columbian" OR "Mesoamerican" OR "Aztec" is sufficient. Any preference on which? Dohn joe (talk) 23:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

The content that was added was very well cited, however, I do agree with Dohn Joe above, about the flavoring of tortillas not really being relevant to the subject of this article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. The sources in question explain that the eyewitness reports from the missionaries describing this particular cuisine form the evidentiary basis for the conclusion that these hand held snack foods represent the antecedents of the burrito. And, the status of the burrito as a hand held snack food was further emphasized by an even earlier version describing the snack foods associated with this culture. So, removing the only known historical report about these foods makes no sense at all. RightCowLeftCoast, your comment about searching for the term "Colombian" also does not make sense. Do you understand what that term refers to here? I'm getting the sense that we have a lot of editors making reverts, deletions, and edits without understanding the material. Look at the sources directly. Why do they talk about these things in relation to the burrito? And, why do we? If it isn't clear, we don't delete, we clarify. Viriditas (talk) 11:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The statement in the edit summary referred to Pre-Columbian, and yes I do understand the term, so please I kindly ask that I am not talked down towards.

The content quoted by Dohn joe above IMHO belongs more in the article about Tortillas rather than this article. Although the tortilla is a primary component of a burrito, it is not the primary focus of this article, and thus need not be included in this article.

As for the statements

I'm getting the sense that we have a lot of editors making reverts, deletions, and edits without understanding the material.

If it isn't clear, we don't delete, we clarify.

These statements are suprising given the history of the editor to want to remove content (even properly referenced) from this article even against consensus of other editors.

I am not saying this content doesn't belong on Wikipedia, but the content does not belong in this article as it doesn't focus on a variant of the burrito, or its historical predecessors. Rather, the content quoted by Dohn Joe is about a component of the burrito. If we were to expand the content into detailed history of the components of the burrito the article can expand outside of its scope to Masa, the domestication of corn, the historical development of re-fried beans, etc.

I understand that Viriditas means well, I only wish that the editor understand that other editors mean well too.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

No, it is part of the historical antecedents of the burrito, of which the use of Maize by the Aztecs is implicit. I don't particularly think the other editor meant well as they have a history of removing properly sourced material and adding content against the MOS. Your opinion that this content doesn't belong here is contradicted by the sources that discuss it, sources about the development of the burrito. Viriditas (talk) 19:26, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the proper place for the tortilla reference is Tortilla - I in fact already added this info over there, so it will not be lost from Wikipedia. I would again encourage editors to actually read the sources; as I mentioned at my talkpage, the source does not connect the snack-eating habits of the Aztecs to burritos. The source does indicate that Pueblos put fillings in tortillas, which would be an actual connection to burritos - and that mention remains in this article. The other references are too tenuous - keeping them here amounts to WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH unless we find a cite that directly ties them together. Dohn joe (talk) 18:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

There are at least three sources (and more available) that connect this material directly to burritos, and the points I've raised above have not been addressed. Which source are you referring to here? Further, this material is directly relevant as the Aztecs were known to eat many hand held snack foods (examples of which were given) of which the tortilla and their associated fillings (mentioned) were a part, directly viewed by missionaries and recorded in their report (documented) and which became part of the regional cultures which followed. The sources indicate this connection to the burrito. It does belong in tortilla, it belongs here. Viriditas (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

No one is disputing what the sources say. The issue is whether and how the sources discuss burrito history. I have already explained (here and at my talkpage) why the sources do not make that connection for the removed material and for the sentence at issue in this section. The sources do make a connection for the rest of the statements currently in the article, which is why they are not at issue. You say there are more available sources. I'd love to see what they say. Dohn joe (talk) 17:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Why is it that everyime Viriditas wants content to be included or excluded from this article the editor always assumes that they are right, and whenever consensus goes against their editorial opinion that others are deemed wrong? Is this a case of WP:OWN or is the a case of an editor's good faith efforts to increase the quality of the article?

The following content I believe is already in the Tortilla article, and should be removed from this article (as already pointed out by Dohn joe):

Spanish missionaries like Bernardino de Sahagún wrote about Aztec cuisine, describing the variety of tortillas and their preparation, noting that the Aztecs not only used corn in their tortillas, but also squash and amaranth, and that some varieties used turkey eggs or honey as a flavoring.[5]

--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Per actual consensus, I have removed the content quoted above. Please do not re-add the content unless consensus has changed to include said content.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

There is no such consensus, just your usual misunderstanding and misrepresentation of sources, sources which directly support this material as I have already pointed out to you. You seem to be arguing "I don't like it". Do I need to hold your hand again and walk you through the sources one after another? Viriditas (talk) 05:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Since this discussion began one week ago, five editors have expressed an opinion on the material at issue. Four editors have expressed a preference to remove the material - and explained why: myself, RightCowLeftCoast, Peter-T, and 76.102.150.33. One editor has expressed a preference to keep the material: Viriditas. That's a consensus to remove, which I just did again. The sources we have do not support enough of a connection to burritos to keep them in. Multiple editors have agreed about that. Any editor wanting to reinsert the material needs to bring in other sources that do make that connection. Dohn joe (talk) 18:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

This isn't a vote.

It would help to have a clear, concise, policy-based summary for why the material belongs in the article. To me, without mention of fillings, it seems too of topic to retain in this article. --Ronz (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

That's exactly what most of us have been saying. You seem to agree. I'm confused why you reinserted the material. Dohn joe (talk) 20:01, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

This sounds like more of "I don't like it". The burrito sources explain why this material is important. Can you show why it is not and why it is you think you know better than our sources? As the sources indicate, Sahagún provides the evidence that links the antecedents of the burrito to today. You might start with Morales & Carrillo (2012) on p. 178 to begin with (available in full to verify on Amazon and Google books) noting how they note its relevance. Until you can contradict these topical authorities (scholars of Mexican American folklore) with sources of your own, your assertions that this material isn't relevant is demonstrably false. Viriditas (talk) 21:32, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

It is not that we "don't like it" as the above editor states, it is that it falls outside of the scope of the article, and falls more within the scope of the article Tortilla. Now, as stated by Dohn joe, there appears to be a clear consensus established, and even Ronz stated in an edit summary:

seems off topic

Therefore, the consensus is clear that the content about the "quash and amaranth, and that some varieties used turkey eggs or honey" is more about the tortilla, and not the predecessor of a tortilla wrapped with filling in tubular form dish.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 12:29, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Celebrating Latino Folklore

There's a lot of material in Morales & Carrillo (2012), so I'm selectively quoting a bit for now. You can view it in its entirety at the link below:

The main component of the burrito, the tortilla, has roots that date back to Mesoamerica, with the Mayas (1500 B.C. to 1500 A.D.) and the Aztecs (1100 A.D.). The tortilla was originally made from dry maize kernels that were soaked in an alkaline solution, usually lime, a process called nixtamal, which makes the proteins and vitamins easier to absorb by the human body. The resultant kernels were then hulled and ground to make the masa that would later be flattened and cooked to make tortillas or used for other food products like tamales. Although maize was the most common grain used to make tortillas, the Aztecs were also known to make tortillas out of squash and amaranth. The finished tortilla would then be wrapped around a number of foods, including tomatoes, avocados, beans, mushrooms, and chile sauce. This food custom is widely considered to be the ancestor of the taco, the flauta, the enchilada, and, of course, the burrito...The arrival of the Spanish in the sixteenth century brought about many changes to the Amerindian cuisine with the introduction of foreign ingredients, such as lentils, chickpeas, rice, sugar, and wheat. During colonization, the Spanish started a campaign to change the diet of the Amerindian population from being maize-based to the more European diet that was wheat-based...This preference for wheat by the Spaniards, paired with the existence of the Indigenous corn tortilla, gave rise to the wheat flour tortilla which has the benefit of being more pliable than its corn counterpart and can be used to wrap around a larger number of ingredients. The creation of the burrito can then be seen as a logical step in the fusion of two distinct cultures.[1]

These scholars make it very clear why it is important to discuss the tortilla. Viriditas (talk) 21:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I believe all the material is either in this article or Tortilla, depending upon its relevance to the article topic. A number of references cover the topic, but they're all saying the same thing, to the point where I'd assume they all come from one of them. --Ronz (talk) 00:14, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

turkish burrito?

This article states: "There is a dish with similar appearance in Turkey called dürüm döner. This has similar filling and taste as the doner kebab / gyro (Greek) or shawarma (Arab), but is rolled in lavash bread." Googling for images shows gyro meat rolled up in thin flat bread. If a burrito as defined in this article requires that the tortilla "completely enclose" the filling, this thing would clearly not be of "similar appearance." It, in fact, looks more like an enchilada without the sauce or a soft taco that someone has completely rolled up instead of half-rolled or even a flauta that escaped the deep fryer...but not, by definition, a burrito.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 28 June 2013‎

I have removed the content per WP:BURDEN, of the multiple images, only one visual example is fully enclosed. If it is to be re-added, a reliable source will have to state the similarities.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

burrito vs. taco?

This article states that a burrito "consists of a wheat flour tortilla wrapped or folded into a cylindrical shape to completely enclose a filling. (In contrast, a taco is generally formed by simply folding a tortilla in half around a filling, leaving the semicircular perimeter open.)" Duh. Probably far more useful would be to describe how a burrito differs from the much more similar enchilada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 00:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

The main difference is that in the past, only corn tortillas were used to make enchiladas. Today, it seems to vary, with flour being a variation offered outside the Mexican American communities. The enchilada is characterized first by it's chile sauce, which is a lightly cooked puree of chile pulp and spices. It's used to coat a corn tortilla lightly fried to make it pliable. The tortilla is filled with cheese or shredded cooked chicken. Sometimes ground beef or shredded beef is offered, but I think cheese or chicken are the usual Mexican options. In the US, the typical cheese is a blend of monterey jack and cheddar, but lately, queso fresco seems to be used for its texture. The enchiladas are arrayed in a casserole or roasting pan, and covered in sauce, then topped with a thin layer of shredded melting cheese, and baked.

Burritos are large flour tortillas filled with precooked foods, usually including beans and meat, sometimes vegetables, and folded and rolled into a cylinder. The only time they may appear the same is if chile sauce is poured over the burrito, and called a burrito mojad (wet burrito). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2EB2:EA00:C9B:5E99:440E:A583 (talk) 10:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Suspect the nature of the tortilla (which as pointed out is no longer that definitive) and presence of sauce (i.e., a burrito mojad is still a burrito) are no longer diagnostic. About the only way that one can easily distinguish (other than watching that the enchilada probably got stuck in an oven if perhaps only briefly after assembly - which in a restaurant may be difficult to ascertain), is that the burrito's tortilla is folded in such a way as to fully enclose the filling, while a enchilada is just rolled around the filling, i.e., it has open ends.

Unreferenced Additions to Los Angeles

I used to see something called a Suiza, or a swiss burrito, around LA. Not all over the place, but here and there, and not anymore. I think it just meant melted cheese.

I just looked it up, and it seems to be widespread in Chicago, which has their own style of burrito that probably deserves a section. The few I had there reminded me of what in LA I've seen called a tostada burrito or rolled tostada. It's a bean burrito with lettuce and tomato and cheese, like a bean tostada.

In the central valley, the style seems to be stewed meat burritos, like chile colorado or pork in green sauce. They also had this style in Los Angeles, fairly commonplace until the 90s. In fact, I'd say this was the dominant style of food-stand burrito in the LA County area before the 80s.

Manuels El Tepeyac in Boyle Heights also does a style of burrito similar to a SF Mission, but larger, and with ranchera sauce poured over it. They've sold it since the 1950s.

The scope of locations is also pretty narrow. As a workingman's food, burritos entered into the wider culture through fast food in the postwar era, and a lot of this happened in inland areas, not just near downtown Los Angeles. I don't mean only Taco Bell, but the hundreds of small stands like lupe's that opened up a cross the southland. It was a food that developed away from the restaurant, and then became something sold in restaurants.

The published stories which have come out in the last 15 years or so are great, but, woefully incomplete. The problem is, due to historic racism, the story of Mexican American lifeways has not been preserved. So it's going to be hard to find "authoritative" sources. All of the above are true, but I'd be hard pressed to find articles that would prove these facts.

I would say these observations are more relevant than things like the sushirrito. The Kogi truck I guess gets to be recorded for posterity, because they did make it big. 2602:30A:2EB2:EA00:C9B:5E99:440E:A583 (talk) 10:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Nate Silver's best burrito project

This might bear watching for material for this article. Here is a localized perspective. I'm not sure we have material to add to the article yet, but if Nate Silver's record is any indication we probably will at some point. Cheers, burrito-istas!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for posting this although mostly opinion, there might be some jewels of information that can be drawn from the sources.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2015

Original Text: The California burrito[21] typically consists of chunks of carne asada meat, French fries, cheese, and either cilantro, pico de gallo, sour cream, onion, or guacamole (or some combination of these five).

None of the sources cited include sour cream as an ingredient, please change to the following:

Altered text: The California burrito[21] typically consists of chunks of carne asada meat, French fries, cheese, and either cilantro, pico de gallo, onion, or guacamole (or some combination of these five). 199.106.103.54 (talk) 22:57, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The OC Weekly article includes sour cream.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  23:31, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2015

The link claiming burritos are not considered traditional mexican cuisine is from a blurb by a TV personality in an informal interview earlier this month. Follow the citation link to see how paper thin it is. Burritos have a long tradition in Mexico especially the northern states.

67.187.189.228 (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

 Done I agree, I have removed that sentence, and another use of that source in the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:05, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Category

Thought. Subject of this article is already in the subcategories Tex Mex Cuisine and New Mexican Cuisine, which are within the category American Cuisine. Should the parent category have been re-added?
I understand the reasoning behind the reversion. Just think we should talk about it more.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:21, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't know how categories work, like at all. If it's common practice to leave out parent categories, go for it. Dohn joe (talk) 14:02, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

That is normally the case, or at least that is how I understand it. I would much rather get a consensus on it rather than reverting a revert on this often vandalized page. Let us see what others think, yes?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:22, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi protected stupidity

Do you protect the articles from IPs so that the stupidities in them be kept forever? Please change "consisting of a wheat flour tortilla" to "consisting of a wheat flour tortilla". Thanks. --176.239.86.63 (talk) 10:28, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

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Burritos are not Mexican

Even though they have a Spanish name and in the US they are classified as Mexican food, the reality is that no one in Mexico eats burritos, they are a Mexican American thing, just like Chilli and Shell Tacos. Supaman89 (talk) 02:22, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Are you kidding? Burritos are very popular in North-Mexico. Even, in this region, burritos are more popular than tacos. In Sonora, you can find burritos vendors in the morning and, by the night, they are turned into Burros Percherones, which are big burros (commonly 40cm to 1 meter). I thin you are Center-Mexican, people from there usually think that things that happen in that region are the same for every other region in Mexico. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.176.126.235 (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

People in Mexico eat burritos. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

References

• Franz, C.; Havens, L.; Rogers, S.; Rogers, F.C.R. (2012). The People's Guide to Mexico. Avalon Travel Publishing. p. 507. ISBN 978-1-61238-049-0.
• Cumo, C. (2015). Foods that Changed History: How Foods Shaped Civilization from the Ancient World to the Present: How Foods Shaped Civilization from the Ancient World to the Present. ABC-CLIO. p. 39. ISBN 978-1-4408-3537-7.

No he is correct, the wiki article itself says its orgins are not known. They became popular from the US. I think we should changes its origins to reflect the material of the article as a Mexico-US item.

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The burrito was first introduced by the Chinese in the year 1354. Totally True Facts (talk) 19:58, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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Taco Bell open burritos

Are Taco Bell burritos always open on one side? Bod (talk) 20:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Etymology

Previous the article claimed that the reason they are named after donkeys is because they look like bedrolls and packs donkeys carry, citing this SF Gate article. However, the only part of that article that references the etymology talks about how donkeys (burros) are able to carry everything:

"The burrito is named after the burros, which were known to be able to carry everything," says David Thomsen, co-author of "Burrito! Hot on the Trail of the Little Burro" with Derek Wilson. "These were like the little burros because they carried all these ingredients."

So I updated the etymology section to get rid of this uncited claim about them looking like bedrolls to it saying they contain a lot of ingredients. While the previous claim that was there (about bedrolls) sounds plausible, it was not substantiated by the citation that was there. -- CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2018

"A wet burrito, however, is covered in sauce and therefore cannot be picked up."

should change to:

"A wet burrito, however, is covered in sauce and is therefore generally eaten with silverware." Rocketmorton33 (talk) 20:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done The proposed text matches the cited text in a lower section. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Basic Burrito Description

It says "A basic burrito with meat and cheese" but it appears to be a picture of a bean burrito not a meat burrito. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhybarra (talk • contribs) 10:03, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

History section

The article states: "Before the development of the modern burrito, the Mesoamerican peoples of Mexico used corn tortillas in 10,000 B.C. to wrap foods". This is inaccurate based on archaeological evidence, and it is not supported by the citation provided as a reference. The citation provided states "...the tortilla, has its roots that date back to Mesoamerica with the Mayas (1500 BC to 1500 AD)..." A recent Science article states that the modern corn began evolving around 9000 years B.P., and was not in its domesticated form until well after this (Kistler et al. 2018). In other words, people were not grinding domesticated corn at the end of the late Pleistocene. Edits should be made to at least reflect the original reference: that tortillas were first documented in Mayan culture. Coe172 (talk) 18:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

References

French fries

In turns out, the addition of French fries to the San Diego burrito is not a California-inspired fusion, but rather a traditional part of Oaxacan cuisine that was likely brought to the US. Viriditas (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey User:Viriditas - I'd be super interested to see where you learned that. It's intriguing.... Dohn joe (talk) 23:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

It seems there’s quite a bit of controversy about potatoes in Mexican cuisine. The conventional wisdom is that the Spanish brought them to Mexico in the 16th century, but that old view quickly breaks down when you examine the wider archaeological and anthropological evidence. Wild potatoes were already present in Mexico before the Andean variety showed up. The larger question as to when French fries were introduced to Mexico has still not been resolved. However, it is likely that French-style fries were invented by the Spanish and possibly made their way in some form to Mexico. Wikipedia:

In 1673, Francisco Núñez de Pineda mentioned eating "papas fritas" in 1629, but it is not known what exactly these were. Fries may have been invented in Spain, the first European country in which the potato appeared from the New World colonies.

Given the Spanish involvement in Mexico at the time, this hypothesis does not seem unusual. Viriditas (talk) 23:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2022

The California burrito was invented by Roberto Robledo and Juan Antonio Sanchez. Who one night in the Roberto’s taco shop in mission bay, a customer came in drunk and asked for a carne asada burrito with French fries in it. Where the California burrito was originated, Roberto Robledo passed away but Juan Antonio still lives in San Diego and he can attest to this story he is a 70 year old man who tells this story of his younger days 2600:8801:A001:DD00:10A4:BC26:13F6:4B27 (talk) 20:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:56, 25 November 2022 (UTC)