Talk:Can't Get You Out of My Head (TV series)

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Shorter article name[edit]

Should the article name not be shorter? Maybe: “ Can't Get You Out Of My Head”. James Tamim (talk) 12:28, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, "Can't Get You Out of My Head (TV series)". ("of" is a preposition.) The subtitle is unnecessary. -- Firebrace (talk) 09:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a primary topic in place for this title: Can't Get You Out of My Head currently focuses on a song by Australian singer-songwriter Kylie Minogue of that name, and most readers looking for this title will want that subject over this. Jalen Folf (talk) 06:48, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summary of Chapter One: Bloodshed on Wolf Mountain[edit]

Insider trading allegations against Lord Kindersley, managing director of Lazard, and William Keswick, chairman of Matheson & Company. The Mau Mau Uprising and the racial discrimination experienced by newly arrived immigrants in 1950s Britain and Michael de Freitas. The ambition and individualism of Jiang Qing, the wife of Mao Zedong and her ambition as an actress in the film Bloodshed on Wolf Mountain and her rivalry with Li Lili. Qing's quote "I am a unit of one". Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics and the rise of fear and paranoia in American suburbs as exemplified by the John Birch Society and the Illuminati. The rise of individualism and counterculture with Kerry Wendell Thornley and Gregory Hill's Discordianism. Thornley's admiration of Lee Harvey Oswald when serving together in the US Marines. The marriage of Sandra Paul and Robin Douglas-Home. Michael de Freitas and Peter Rachman. The early life of Rachman in the Second World War and his belief in the hypocrisy of the white racist residents of Notting Hill. De Freitas's concept of 'Englishism' and the melancholy of the loss of the British Empire. The propaganda work of Jiang Qing. The elderly Ethel Boole in New York in 1961 and the dancers of the Bolshoi Ballet visiting her in 1959. The popularity of Boole's novel The Gadfly among young revolutionaries in China and Russia. Her marriage to Wilfrid Voynich, eponym of the Voynich manuscript. The rejection of Soviet collectivism by the ballet dancer Maya Plisetskaya. The new individualism of Qing and Plisetskaya versus the collectivism of Boole.

Boole's father, George Boole and his The Laws of Thought and Boolean algebra. 'Virtue is a habit and not a faculty or passion'. The role of science and categorisation in colonialism. The inapplicable nature of Boole's theories and the collapse of the British Empire. The breakdown of Sandra Paul and Robin Douglas-Home's marriage with a 'petition of cruelty' by Paul against Douglas-Home and his subsequent suicide. Thornley's book Idle Warriors and the John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories of Jim Garrison and Garrison's belief that 'meanings will always be hidden but patterns will be apparent'. Garrison's accusations of JFK conspiracy involvement against Thornley. Thornley's search for a form of reconditioning from the control of conspiracy theories. The work of CIA psychologist John Gittinger and Project MKUltra under Ewan Cameron. Thornley's creation of Operation Mindfuck with a letter in Playboy magazine that created Illuminati conspiracy theories as a parody. The failure of Ewan Cameron's experiments and MKUltra. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't think how to summarise this drunken Wiki walk for the content section of the article. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose we could break it down by location. So one paragraph each on the events on Britain, America, Russia and China? Firebrace (talk) 19:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, new user here hoping to contribute! From my own notes on the episode, I agree that the first episode is structured mostly according to the four countries; the narrative structure is somewhat different from the other episodes and the usual Adam Curtis technique, although I'm not sure whether that makes it more or less challenging to summarise. Although I would add a fifth section for the final part of the episode where Curtis synthesises the narrative of the four countries with the rise of computers through the Booles. I could take a crack at doing so with the current text and my own notes? Cheers, and apologies for any Wikipedia mores I've broken, I'm still finding my feet! --Ben Jeffrey (talk) 00:50, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I really appreciated this detailed summary thank you!

I wish I understood the relevance of the Paul and Douglas-Home story. 2A02:6B61:E84A:0:C5B:F496:807E:4224 (talk) 19:52, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Music[edit]

I'm removing the music section... again. Yes, the music exists during the series, and I can agree to this, but is there a secondary reliable source that covers this topic for this particular series? I can't seem to find one. Jalen Folf (talk) 00:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not original research, it exists on the actual documentary so is verifiable as part of the actual product the article page it about; as per all his previous work. Clearly you haven't watched this at all, as many of his points are even made involving the music used. Jimthing (talk) 14:53, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jimthing, While I can agree that this information is verifiable, using the TV series as your source for the music falls under usage of primary sources. There's no blanket ban on its usage to back the section (which still doesn't have inline citations), but according to the section I linked, we still need those secondary sources for external verification. Jalen Folf (talk) 15:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music is in lots of TV series and movies, though we don't include it everywhere because it's a WP:WEIGHT issue. Beyond the most basic facts (which does not include a list of songs/artists), we generally cover aspects of a subject proportionally the way secondary sources cover those aspects. If reviews of the show list the music, that's an argument in favor of including it, but in that case it probably wouldn't be a full list but a line along the lines of "The series was positively reviewed for its music, including tracks by X, Y, and Z" with citations to sources that mention X, Y, and Z. It's really uncommon to get a full listing without a soundtrack being released. It would need some really good sourcing talking about the music. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]