Talk:Carlos Garaikoetxea

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Nationality[edit]

In this edit [1] the nationality in the header was modified.

In Spain the nationality is Spanish, there is no other possibility. The jurisprudence of the Constitutional Court of Spain determines that the concept of nation and nationality are not synonymous, declaring that the Constitution of Spain only admits one nation, which is the Spanish Nation. Therefore, the correct thing to do is to refer to any person from Spain as Spanish.

"El TC subraya que «la Constitución no conoce otra Nación que la española» TC: Constitutional Court of Spain

"Nación, sólo la española

Sobre el término nación, el texto del Constitucional dice: «De la nación puede, en efecto, hablarse como una realidad cultural, histórica, lingüística, sociológica y hasta religiosa. Pero la nación que aquí importa es única y exclusivamente la nación en sentido jurídico-constitucional. Y en ese específico sentido la Constitución no conoce otra que la Nación española».

De todas formas, el TC admite que Cataluña tenga «símbolos nacionales», pero explica que se refieren únicamente a «su condición de símbolos de una nacionalidad constituida como Comunidad Autónoma en ejercicio del derecho que reconoce y garantiza el art. 2 (...). Se trata, en suma, de los símbolos propios de una nacionalidad, sin pretensión, por ello, de competencia o contradicción con los símbolos de la Nación española»."

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Context clearly states that the country of which the subject of the biography is a citizen should be used, not others.

Also, the Basque Country is officially the Basque Autonomous Community. See Basque Country (autonomous community). --BallenaBlanca  ♂ (Talk) 15:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The same user Iñaki LL is reverting without arguments and without participating in this discussion [2]. I have asked him to use this talk page [3] --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 20:25, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Spanish law is nobody to decide on what is proper information.

Off topic
Plus your editing comes across as highly controversial, since you come from partisan editing in hot Catalan issues, on which you claim you do not specialize and now you seem to be expanding a POV claim,there, all the 'reliable' news (per WP policies) are initially based in Madrid (or Barcelona), highly contested to the Basque Country.

Please stop removing critical informative data. Iñaki LL (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please, Iñaki LL, stay on topic WP:TALK#USE and WP:TPYES: "Comment on content, not on the contributor: Keep the discussions focused upon the topic of the talk page, rather than on the personalities of the editors contributing to the talk page."

You are erasing the nationality and you are rejecting the information from verifiable sources. You are not providing any source, only personal opinions. You are also violating WP:TALK#FACTS. --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 20:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I respond to your recent activity in your personal page. I restore critical national background information, on inclusive and informational grounds. Please do provide substantial grounds, anybody with a minimal knowledge on the issue knows he is a Basque, critical knowledge for whomever would want to make a first a approach to the person in question. Just following critical Wikipedia principles of right of knowledge and diversity. Iñaki LL (talk) 19:20, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Iñaki LL: Could you please explain exactly why I am engaging in WP:CANVASS? --Jamez42 (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This. Also, citizenship, a legal concept, is not nationality. It is critical national knowledge needed to understand the person in question. "Nationality" as citizenship is a very questionable matter, so please stop removing knowledge and diversity from the WP. Iñaki LL (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Iñaki LL: I don't see how notifying an user about articles affected by POV pushing by a sockpuppet constitutes canvassing. --Jamez42 (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Iñaki LL continues reverting without arguments, without providing references, and without discussing here [4].

There is an open discussion here Talk:Carles Puigdemont#Nationality The same applies to the case of the Basque Autonomous Community. --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 18:53, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish law is not a relevant source in this discussion. If we use national laws to describe people we will finish up talking about Saudi Arabia LGBT community as people who deserves being stoned to death. Also, Gernika Statute says that Basque people are a nation, and this is a legal text signed by the King of Spain and voted by the majority of Basque people. -Theklan (talk) 09:10, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Off topic

Right, fully agree with Theklan. The matter of biggest concern, however, is that editors who have nothing to do with the Basque Country or these articles suddenly engage in serial edits to add extremely controversial definitions on national identity the individual in the article would reject right away, as well as most of the Basque and Catalan people. It looks like an attempt to alienate the contributor base and the readers of Wikipedia, especially those coming from these areas.

Other than this comment, this is being discussed in Talk:Carles Puigdemont#Nationality. Iñaki LL (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Once again... Please WP:TPYES "Comment on content, not on the contributor: Keep the discussions focused upon the topic of the talk page, rather than on the personalities of the editors contributing to the talk page."

Edit warring by IP[edit]

Note that the king of Spain is not part of the institutional, structural make-up of the autonomous community, despite them being part of the Spanish state, obviously so. See also here for one, etc. Please do stop edit warring and bring your concerns here. Thanks Iñaki LL (talk) 07:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]