Talk:Elizabeth Claypole

Scott MacDonald[edit]

There is some useful additional information in the development article User:Scott MacDonald/Elizabeth Claypole, See this exchange on Talk:Scott MacDonald --PBS (talk) 13:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More on the Oceana incidence[edit]

When developing the article on her husband John Claypole I came across the following passage in a copyright expired text. I am putting it here so that if any editor wishes to use some of it to develop this article further then they may find it useful.

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By the protector's daughter he had, at left, two sons and a daughter 1. Henry. 2. Oliver, who died just before his mother, the grief for whose loss hastened, we may suppose, her death ;that he had a daughter, may be leaned from the following remarkable circumstance; having been represented to the protector, that The Oceana,^[1] which was then in the press, was a reflection upon his government, it was seized by his order; Sir James Harrington, the author of it, alarmed for the safety of his manuscript, determined to apply to lady Claypole, "because she acted the part of a princess, very naturally obliging all persons with her civility, and frequently interceding for the miserable;" flattering himself that, by her assistance, he should regain the work.

As lady Claypole was entirely a stranger to him, he was led into her anti-chamber; whilst he waited the return of one of the servants of the palace with an answer to his humble re-quest, that she would admit him into her presence, some of her women came into the room, followed by her little daughter, about three years old, who regarding the stranger, permitted the women to leave the room without following them; Sir James entertained the child so divertingly, that she suffered him to take her up in his arms, till her mother came, then stepping towards her, and setting the child down at her feet, said, "Madam, 'tis well you are come at this nick of time, or I had certainly stole this pretty little lady." "Stolen her!" replied the mother, pray, what to do with her? for she is yet too young to become your mistress." "Madam," said he, though her charms allure her of a more considerable conquest, yet I must confess, it is "not love, but revenge that prompted me to commit this theft." "Lord," answered the lady again, "what injury have I done you, that you should steal my child?" "None at all," replied he, "but that you might be induced to prevail with your father to do me justice, by restoring my child that he has stolen." But she urging it was impossible, because her father had children enough of his own, he told her at last, it was the issue of his brain, which was misrepresented to the protector, and taken out of the press by his order.(pp 359,360)

She immediately promised to procure it him, if it contained nothing prejudicial to her father's government; and he alluring her 'dial it was so far from containing any treason against her father, or even any paflage that could dif- please him, that he hoped Ihe would acquaint his highness he designed to dedicate it to him; and promised that she hersels should be presented with one of the first copies; the lady was entirely fatisfied, and fo well pleafed with the manner of introducing himself, that the whole that was seized was soon after restored to him.^[2]

References

^ The Oceana was a political romance, recommending a republican form of government. It is the chimera of a man intoxicated with liberty and the plan of a government which can never he put in practice. The protector said that he had gained his power by his valour, and he would not be beaten out of it by a little paper shot.
^ I have been the more particular in giving what I could find respelling the children of mr. Claypole and Oliver's daughter, as all the gentlemen that have gone before me, have said there was no issue of this marriage.

Attribution

Mark Noble, Memoirs of several persons and families who, by females, are allied to, or descended from the Protectorate-House of Cromwell, chiefly collected from original papers and records. To which is added a catalogue of such persons who were raised to honors or great employments by the Cromwells, with the lives of many of them. Volume II, Birmingham, Printed by Pearson and Rollanson, 1784. "Chapter 24 John Cleypole, Esq". pp. 358–360

--PBS (talk) 13:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Children - conflict with John Claypole article[edit]

This article identifies 4 children of Elizabeth and John Claypole, but his article states he had 3 children in its infobox. It's family section actually mentions 4, but the fourth, a daughter Bridget, is identified as being with his second wife. There seems to be no mention of Cromwell Claypole in John Claypole's article. I am also going to note this at that articles talk page. Dunarc (talk) 21:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The Oceana was a political romance, recommending a republican form of government. It is the chimera of a man intoxicated with liberty and the plan of a government which can never he put in practice. The protector said that he had gained his power by his valour, and he would not be beaten out of it by a little paper shot.

[2] I have been the more particular in giving what I could find respelling the children of mr. Claypole and Oliver's daughter, as all the gentlemen that have gone before me, have said there was no issue of this marriage.

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