Talk:German-Canadian history in British Columbia

Sources about German immigration to the rest of British Columbia

Are there any sources about German immigration to the rest of British Columbia? If so, these sources should be incorporated. If not, this article should be moved back to the Vancouver title, because the sources I use clearly focus only on Vancouver.

I am aware that not every German in British Columbia has moved to Vancouver, but if nobody has written about German immigration outside of Vancouver, the article will only be focusing on Vancouver and the title should reflect that. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to wait for any sources that discuss German history outside of Vancouver, in British Columbia to be presented. If no sources are forthcoming I'll submit a move request. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh get a grip.....German-Canadians are throughout all BC histories if you ever got around to finding out what they were. The BC government publication in question, which is in almost every civic library in British Columbia, has broad coverage of the details of German, Austrian, Bohemian and other German-speaking groups to the province; and there's lots in all local histories of the Cariboo and Okanagan and Fraser Valley and other areas. Your version of the article started with the post-WWII emigration to Vancouver itself; Vancouver as only founded long after BC was, and German-speakers were a big part of gold rush and ranching history and in mining and other areas; a famous expedition along the Okanagan Trail was led by a German or Austrian named Reinhardt, the Austrian Company in the Fraser Canyon War including Germans (it was French-led despite the name). If you bothered to research the topic before starting your city-only title you would have realized this; even if you hadn't ignored my advice that this was the case. "If no sources are forthcoming I'll submit a move request" is arrogant nonsense; you haven't even tried to read about BC history before launching it; and once again you are rejecting input from an experienced editor very well familiar with his province's history and being patronizing in the process.

German-speakers are historically part of the main fabric of BC and were prominent throughout, particularly up until WWI when German aristocrats were a big part of Vancouver's high society e.g. Gustav_Konstantin_von_Alvensleben#Life_in_Vancouver and subsequent section, "Dutch Bill" Dietz in the Cariboo Gold Rush was a German, among many others, a man named Moeller ran the preferred ferry across the Fraser at Lillooet (his family is still there, with the anglicized name "Miller"), Mennonite settlement in the Fraser Valley (in the eastern area of that region, beyond the part that is in Greater Vancouver), and Germans involved in ski resort history and tourism in general and more and more and more and more.

Yet you blather about "if no sources are produced you will submit a move request" as if the sources already out there don't have lots in abundance; that you are ignorant of them is no reason for such arrogance as you are displaying here. "Why don't you move on?" yourself? You rejecting advice, pretending there are no sources and attacking a page move that is needed for your cursory and shallow stub-start is not appropriate behaviour and is yet MORE demonstration of your efforts to WP:OWN article you started, as evinced also in the AfDs you threw down. Challenging my input, being in that I am a recognized major contributor on BC topics (especially history) and suggesting the source I provided is invalid is garbage...but "more of the same" I expect from you now.

You might find a copy of Strangers Entertained in some university library in Texas, but you can always try interlibrary loan, though it might take a while. but it's easy enough to order [1] [2] [3] [4] http://www.nosracines.ca is somewhere else you can look; it's not like my move was invalid just because you are ignorant of BC and its history, or that anything I do that contests your presumptiveness is invalid because of my "tone". Do you have a problem with using google or something? Here's some search results for "German history in British Columbia" - A History of Migration from Germany to Canada, 1850-1939, German Canadians Canadian Encyclopedia, German Russians in British Columbia, Canada, published NDSU, A history of the German-Canadians in British Columbia: [The contribution of the Vancouver Alpen Club towards British Columbia's centennial year, 1958, and that's just from page one of those results. Believe me NOW? Why don't you read up on the material before starting high-school-quality stubs???Skookum1 (talk) 07:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

@Skookum1: - Stop. This should not be making you angry. If someone a work-in-progress stub on Wikipedia makes you angry, this is a serious problem and it needs to be addressed now. Please take a break from editing and focus on your real world job. I don't want to see you angry. Do not say "no you are angry, WhisperToMe." Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a work in progress, which means it is 100% reasonable and just to start a "high-school-quality stub" and it should not be complained about. WhisperToMe (talk) 09:17, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

It should when it ignores and disputes informed input and doesn't even bother looking for sources/contexts before starting; I've provided sources to challenge your insinuation you want a move request. Accusing me now of "anger" is your own projection, as has been much of your criticism/defensiveness about me; insulting me and patronizing me the way you have, while still knowing nothing about the subjects and treatingh me with AGF about this name-change - even though I provided a good source - and now have provided many more. Your adminship does not entitle you to hector or lecture people who challenge your mistakes...or point out how you have ignored informed input from someone familiar with the history of the places and peoples you now, for some reason, feel like writing articles about...even though articles on these topics already exist. Provoking someone, then patronizing them by judging them as "angry", is yet more defensiveness. This all began because you want to write articles from scratch without even knowing the context or knowing what terms to use..... why don't you stop writing articles that way and do your research beforehand instead of cribbing it as you go? If you had, you woudln't have made the snotty comment above about submitting a move request to revert this back to your mischosen title.Skookum1 (talk) 10:37, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

cheap-shot psychological lecturing in the course of defending the indefensible is all too common in Wikipedia. You should address your stubbornness when confronted with things or ideas that prove you wrong; it's a far wosre problem than the people you "anger" with it.Skookum1 (talk) 10:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)