Talk:Hate Story 4

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Bollywood[edit]

@Harshrathod50: Re: this edit and your summary "To make everyone understand what bollywood is, we simply pipe-link it. So that the reader will be redirected to a page which will tell him what bollywood means." - It doesn't make one iota of sense to drive readers to a different article just so they can comprehend basic information about this film. That's just absurd. Nation and language are very basic pieces of information that are conveyed across thousands of articles. We don't describe Captain America: Civil War as a Hollywood film. It's an American film. If it were in a language other than English, that would be featured clearly in the lead. Please spare us the cutesy ethnic cinema nicknames. What do we do when we get to Tollywood and people are further confused that there is a ~~Tamil~~ Telugu Tollywood and a Bengali Tollywood? Send them to other articles to figure it out? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:44, 6 March 2018 (UTC) - Edit: Struckout Tamil. Mistake on my part. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb: That is your opinion. It is not like everyone is having problems with this. Go, undo it, on your own. But, to be logical, why the heck do you pipe-link this phrase Hindi-language to the same article that I link with bollywood? I could also say the same thing that it doesn't make one iota of sense to drive readers to another article just so they can comprehend basic information found in the lead of this article. That's absurd since the phrase Hindi-language already conveyed the film's info about its nationality and language. You say that we don't describe Captain America: Civil War as a Hollywood film. It's an American film. I ask, then why the heck do you call it an american film since it also released in India and other countries. Why do you call Padman (film), a Indian Hindi-language film, since it also released in Russia on the same date? Even if Cinema of Punjab were to have a nickname, suppose Ponjiwood. I would without any doubt use this word in the lead as such: Daddy Cool Munde Fool is a 20XX Indian Ponjiwood film directed by variable x and written by variable y. The word bollywood has been in existence even before you and I were born. There is an old film called Johnny Bravo goes to Bollywood, maybe released before 2005, even though the film is not made in India, how come this word bollywood reached outside the country? And the Tamil Tollywood and Bengali Tollywood misunderstanding you described above can happen with anyone. We all are humans. Please, don't ever assume that people will consume whatever you write here, as it is. See this film article: Fight Club. Here, no nationality or any other garbage is mentioned in the lead. Why? Simply becuase it was released in three countries one by one. Also, why did you bring this here? I think you want other people to get indulged. Vokay! I call these wiki-citizens:

@Kailash29792:

@Adamstraw99:

@Sitush:

for help. It is totally up to them if they want to reply or not. Harsh Rathod 16:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I actually second Cyphoidbomb. A film's nationality is not defined by where it releases. It is defined by its production company, that's the main reason why Slumdog Millionaire isn't an Indian film. ----Kailash29792 (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pinged here. I'm with Cyphoidbomb. Bollywood is a vague term at best, eg: the principal photography was in London according to the article. It may be an Indian film with dialogue in language A, B or C but I'm not seeing the Bollywood thing and, frankly, most films produced nowadays have multiple settings. - Sitush (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kailash29792: and @Sitush: No, the debate is over the words Hindi-language or bollywood should be used in the lead. Oops! I think I 🔨ed my own leg calling you people here. Harsh Rathod 17:17, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A film does not have to be produced in Bollywood to be in the Hindi language. And plenty of Bollywood films end up being in other languages. - Sitush (talk) 17:19, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Sitush: Please give example. Harsh Rathod 17:21, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need to. It is common sense that people can use any language to write a film, just like they can use any language to write anything else. That this is in a particular language is worth noting but that it is Bollywood is just vague and unnecessary. - Sitush (talk) 17:24, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

-- PINGED!!HENCE THOUGHTS...it depends on the context.. or the film in this case ..I think if we are talking about Hate Story 4, Harsh Rathod is not wrong here... -- Adamstraw99 (talk) 17:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Sitush: Is the word eponym in the lead vague here and here? They could have simply used the word self-titled? Harsh Rathod 17:33, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No. - Sitush (talk) 17:44, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Adamstraw99: Thankyou! I thought I was alone in this world! 😭 Harsh Rathod 17:33, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

--nobody is alone in this world of Wikipedia, the other 3 editors may disagree with you here but i am sure they are also with you....everybody is with everybody here.... and discussions and disagreements are part of it ... I hope you guys will get consensus here... --Adamstraw99 (talk) 17:39, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Adamstraw99: You are right. But exceptions are still present. Maybe, one day I'll have more support like Cyphoidbomb. Harsh Rathod 03:57, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure I'll support other changes you make, but I'm not likely to support changes that are counter-intuitive, or that are inconsistent with thousands of other quality articles and established community editing standards. It's nothing personal. You should consider familiarising yourself with our Manual of Style for Film if you intend to edit film articles. While this doesn't specifically address the wikilink issue, it provides an overview on community consensus for film articles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:08, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb: Please tweak this one. I improved it as best as I could. Forgive the soundtrack section. Let's see what breaking changes you can bring to it. 😎 Harsh Rathod 05:07, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]