Talk:History of the Jews in Armenia

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Aslan[edit]

The wikilink to Aslan is to the disambiguation page. Could someone with the knowledge take care of that so it points to the appropriate article? Murderbike 02:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of "Antisemitism"[edit]

In comparison of Azerbaijani Jews isolated "opinions" (not even incidents) here are more surely have nothing to do with antisemitism as geberal trend. Hope this will be the last consensus to stop incident-pushing as a "good" practics. Andranikpasha (talk) 19:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Antisemitism has historically been nonexistent in Armenia and continues to be nonexistent today. I find it sad that Azeri users are trying to paint the Armenians as antisemities and downplay their long and friendly relations with the Jews in order to bolster the character of Azerbaijan as having religious tolerance. -- Aivazovsky (talk) 01:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

may be because there is no jews in armenia, so there is no reason for antisemitism! the only country in the caucasus that there is no "native" jewish community is armenia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.107.136.236 (talk) 22:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How many jews are there in Armenia today?if there is no antisemitism in Armenia.Also why are you plying on words to make external links dead.I just readded right links.Abbatai (talk) 18:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, that section of the article is full of obvious Azeri propaganda. Needs a thorough pruning and then a longterm watching. I'm POV tagging it. Meowy 22:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Proud work of Parishan. VartanM (talk) 21:59, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are a few hundred Jews in Armenia. There is a functioning synagogue in Yerevan, and there is a holocaust (Shoah) memorial in the park where the "Poplavok" restaurant is located (the side of Teryan & Shrjanayin Streets). Serouj (talk) 02:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Armenia is the only country in Caucasus with homogenous ethnicity.There are 8,900 jewsih people in Azerbaijan and 3,500 in Georgia.Vandalism by unknown individuals on Jewish Holocaust Memorial in central Yerevan was witnessed in one of the central parks of Armenian capital on 23 December 2007. A Nazi swastika symbol was scratched and black paint was splattered on the the simple stone.Abbatai (talk) 17:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What part of these 2 statements don't you understand? -- 1) There are jews living in Armenia. 2) There is a functioning synagogue in Yerevan. Serouj (talk) 19:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Abbatai is just POV warring. And Armenia doesn't have a "homogenous ethnicity", there are Kurds, Assyrians, Russians, Molokans, and lots of smaller groups. BTW, I seem to recall that there is something distinctive about the Holocaust Memorial monument in Yerevan - was it the first in the Soviet Union, or something like that? Meowy 18:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok yes for your information there is no antisemitism in Armenia, and Armenia is the best country in the world lol.What about Armenian-Nazi collaboration?Tell me how many Azeris live in Armenia?in 1905 80 percent of Yerevan was Azeri.By smaller groups you meant 3 or 4 people then there are thousands of ethinic groups in Armenia.Also last year your pm said Iran's nuclear works are peaceful.How he can know that do you have some connections with it?Abbatai (talk) 11:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since the page is about Jews in Armenia, why is there no paragraph on anti-Armenian activities by Jews but only a paragraph titled anti-Semitic activities by Armenians?? Given both peoples have endured persecutions in the past it seems somewhat "odd" and more than a little partial. Unlike most commentators here I am neither Jewish nor Armenian and really couldn't care one way or another. But it's just another example of typical Wikipedia-US bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.242.242 (talk) 17:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Individuals are posting cited material relevant to the conditions of Jews residing in Armenia, and it's being whitewashed by Wikipedia users such as Slim92, completely absurd. Considering this sort of information (of the same nature) is posted and allowed on the Wikipedia page, History of Jews in Azerbaijan. I will be persistently allowing, and reverting posts which whitewash factual information in regards to the condition of Jews, as it is related to the discussion. Sorry it doesn't fit with some of your peoples narratives! Zuormak (talk) 01:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)Zuormak[reply]

Maps[edit]

Because the boundaries of Armenia has changed over time, this article would benefit from maps showing the regions of settlement over time. Other than that the article is very dry.PB666 yap 03:31, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

alteration of original source material[edit]

The artice had contained the following text:

On 23 October 2004, the head of the Department for Ethnic and Religious Minority Issues, Hranoush Kharatyan, publicly commented on so-called "Judaist" xenophobia in Armenia. She said: "Why are we not responding to the fact that on their Friday gatherings, Judaists continue to advocate hatred towards all non-Judaists as far as comparing the latter to cattle and propagating spitting on them?"[15][dead link] Kharatyan also accused local Jews of calling for "anti-Christian actions."[16][dead link]

References for this were "Antisemitism in Armenia by Rimma Varzhapetian, in The Euro-Asian Jewish Congress" and "Amenian Official Says Jews "Anti-Christian". Union of Councils for Soviet Jews. 21 October 2004. Both those references had links, but both are now dead - however, there is no requirement for sources to have links.

On 3rd June Grandmaster replaced the text with the following.

On 23 October 2004, the head of the Department for Ethnic and Religious Minority Issues, Hranoush Kharatyan, accused Jewish leaders of preaching extreme intolerance toward all non-Jews.[1] Kharatyan also claimed that the Talmud contained the "aggressive ideology".

This has fundamentally altered the original text and has used for its source a third-party interpretation [1] of the sources that were used in the original text. This new source is also so vague and full of extremist claims that it is hard to consider it a usable source. For example "Kharatian accused Jewish leaders of preaching extreme intolerance toward all non-Jews". In what context? What "Jewish leaders"? The government of Israel? Religious leaders in Israel? Is anyone saying the Talmud does not contain "aggressive ideology"? Meowy 12:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I only quoted what the source says:
Yet what shocked the Jewish community most was an interview with Hranush Kharatian, a prominent ethnologist who heads the Armenian government’s department on religious and minority affairs. Speaking to the “Golos Armenii” (Voice of Armenia) Russian-language newspaper a month after the memorial's desecration, Kharatian accused Jewish leaders of preaching extreme intolerance toward all non-Jews.
In a recent interview with RFE/RL, Kharatian cited what she called the "aggressive ideology" contained in the Talmud, the book of Jewish religious laws. “I see in the Talmud numerous points which clearly state that non-Jews, or infidels that are not Jews, are not human beings and are animals,” she said.
I don't understand why you removed it. I made no alteration to the original material. If the source does not make clear the context, it is not up to us to engage in original research. Plus, the RFE/RL contains a lot more usable info. Grandmaster 14:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You deleted the original content and replaced it with some opinions cherry-picked from an article that cited the same sources that were used to write the wording of that original content. No wording that was close to the content you added was present in the original content. The original sources are the ones that should be used - not the derivitive and opinion-filled RFE/RL one. Nor is commenting on "aggressive ideology" contained in the Talmud antisemitic. Meowy 15:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you prefer the original, we can combine it with RFE. I removed it because the link was dead, and it appear to be an online source, not print. I don't mind restoring the original content, but deleting RFE is pointless, it says what it says. If you can find a different interpretation of her words, we can include that too. Grandmaster 16:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. Armenia: Country’s Jews Alarmed Over Nascent Anti-Semitism

UNDUE[edit]

The section on anti-Semitism must be abridged both per WP:UNDUE and WP:RS.

  • National System (written by Romen Yepiskoposyan) - an unknown author of an unknown book, not notable and out-dated,
  • No ALM television channel exists for last years, and Tigran Karapetyan never was a notable person,
  • Avetisian is not notable not for his activities, nor for his "Order". He was notable only for his arrest.
  • Finding a painted swastika in a joint memorial of Armenian Genocide and Holocaust is for sure not a notable act, as not only in Armenia, but also in many post-Soviet countries (including Azerbaijan [2]) you may see hundreds of swastikas on any walls or monuments. Not a viloence, no victims. And are there any checkable reliable sources for other events? Gazifikator (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is one thing to paint something on the wall, and another one to vandalize Jewish monuments, repeatedly. This incident was reported by the US State Department, therefore it is notable. Grandmaster 20:16, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but it's definitely not notable and undue. We're talking about ex-Soviet countries. --92slim (talk) 09:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Being ex-Soviet country does not make the incident less important. US State Department mention is important enough. We should bring back the information about anti-Semitic incidents to article.--Abbatai 11:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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