Talk:History of the Jews in Asti

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Mistranslation → gibberish[edit]

These pieces of the text have major problems. I suspect they are due to poor translation from the Hebrew article, but I am not qualified to check those.

had their own Jewish ritual rite called APAM
1. ▶ "Ritual rite"? I'm Jewish, and I didn't understand this. "Ritual rite" seems to be redundant. Judaism has many rituals, some found in only a few communities.
2. .▶ What is APAM? Is the name an acronym? If not, why is it uppercased? (See below)
is branched to the Jewish community of Torino.
▶ "Is branched to" is ungrammatical and meaningless. That is, "I see she" is ungrammatical, but its meaning can be reasonably guessed as = "I see her". No such interpretation is possible with "is branched to".
- it became prominent in the area in the 14th century
- evidence for an organized Jewish community there does not appear till the 15th century.
▶ Which is it, 14th or 15th?
- in the 14th century with the arrival of many Jews expelled from France.
- the 1322 expulsion of the French Jews by king Charles IV.
▶ At least these are consistent. Do they cast any light on#3?

Apam Jews[edit]

From We Know the Answer

Question: How are the Apam Jews distinct from other Italian Jews?

Answer #1 | 14/08 2014 22:53
The Appam Jews use prayers and services derived from medieval French Jewish ritual. Positive: 26 %

Answer #2 | 15/08 2014 00:12
The Apam Jews were Jews who lived only in the Italian towns of Asti, Fossano, and Moncalvo. They used special prayers that were specific ONLY to them. Italian Jews in other towns would have used standard Jewish prayers. They used a different machzor in in the three towns that comprised Apam Jews. Lili is right. The machzor was from Medieval France (as French Jews were expelled they drifted towards Italy and particularly to these three towns) and thus, their prayers and rituals tied them closer to French Jews than to mainstream Italian Jews. I suppose it would be easier to say that the machzor was the same as in other Italian towns but the prayers specific to Apam Jews were on loose leaf pages put into the mahzorim. In reality, it was not a huge difference. Apam is really better called Afam Thnidu (talk) 03:09, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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