Talk:IAAF World Youth Championships in Athletics

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Requested move 11 July 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 18:28, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IAAF World Youth Championships in Athletics → IAAF World U18 Championships – At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 11#IAAF World U18 Championships Kasper2006 nominated the redirect at the proposed new title for deletion with the rationale: "To be able to reverse the redirect to the official name of the competition" clarifying that "As is correct [see, e.g.] 2017 IAAF World U18 Championships and not 2017 World Youth Championships in Athletics.". As this is actually requested move I've moved the discussion here. This is a procedural nomination and I am neutral, but note that the page has previously been moved between these titles by Sillyfolkboy and Inter DSM, the former referencing User:Jnestorius. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the question is not what was previously done, but what is correct to do now as a result of the new official name of the event given by the IAAF. --Kasper2006 (talk) 10:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The article says competition is defunct. @Kasper2006: you recently edited the lede from past-tense to present-tense: do you have information that the IAAF has reversed its 2016 decision to discontinue the event after 2017? If so then you need to add this information and your sources to the article. Otherwise, as I said during a related discussion in April 2018 "IAAF World U18 Championships should be moved back to IAAF World Youth Championships in Athletics. The first 9 were called Youth and the last two were called U18. They were discontinued in 2017, favouring the current name no longer applies. Instead we favour name held for longest period rather than name held most recently." jnestorius(talk) 11:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect @Jnestorius: I agree with you :) And so we will split in two articles: the first named IAAF World Youth Championships in Athletics that stop the Editions at 2015 World Youth Championships in Athletics and the second named IAAF World U18 Championships that start the editions from 2017 IAAF World U18 Championships. That it's crazy :) --Kasper2006 (talk) 17:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever the result, I think splitting the article into two based on the names is really not a good idea. U18 was only adopted as an alias recently and it's just that -- a new name, not a new competition. (apologies if that was sarcastic anyways, I couldn't really tell...) --Habst (talk) 06:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jnestorius: I added the source that says: «Today marks 30 days to go until the IAAF World U18 Championships Nairobi 2017, the 10th edition of the biennial event which this year takes place in the Kenyan capital.» --Kasper2006 (talk) 17:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What do I mean? Although for the moment, after the 10th edition, the championships have been canceled, the last name should be preferred because now the international category is U18 and no longer youth. Calling its still youth, instead of U18, would lead to confusion. --Kasper2006 (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any confusion, unless "youth" now has a different meaning. AFAIK "youth" is simply no longer used by the the IAAF. It's a historical name which is appropriate for an article about a historical competition. jnestorius(talk) 10:54, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the most recent name (U18). Seems more logical. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The last name is preffered, IAAF World U18 Championships in line with IAAF World U20 Championships. Rename the related category also. 91.124.117.29 (talk) 08:22, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The last name is preffered" -- preferred by you personally or by Wikipedia convention? Your U20 comparison is irrelevant since the U20 competition is current, not historical. jnestorius(talk) 13:27, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose The competition has only been called the U18 championships since 2015, and even then in all non-IAAF media it's still mostly called the World Youths. Saying 'World Youth Championships' is more recognizable to track fans and more descriptive of the subject matter than using the cryptic IAAF abbreviation, no matter how official. Wikipedia should use the name most used in independent sources, and most independent sources [1] still refer to even the 2015 and 2017 editions of the meet as world 'youth' championships. --Habst (talk) 06:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
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