Talk:Jerome Lyle Rappaport

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COI[edit]

I put the COI tag on this article because I noticed an editor who claimed to know the subject in real life has made a number of edits to it. Though many of these edits have been reverted, future edits may not be and readers should be aware. Aspening (talk) 03:10, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On behalf of the Rappaport family and out of respect for their privacy, I wish for all the content containing personal details of Mr. Jerome Lyle Rappaport be taken down immediately. Much of the content is irrelevant to Mr. Rappaport's legacy in Boston, and many of the facts are inaccurate and don't pertain to the article's subject. If anything needs to be discussed further, please contact the assistant to Mr. Rappaport, Ms. Jannelle Cioffi. She can be reached via email <redacted> Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewtsweetman (talk • contribs) 00:16, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you, Matthewtsweetman, or anyone, wants to comment on what should or should not be in the article, comment openly here, on this talk page. We don't edit articles by email. Nor do we remove valid sourced content because the subject or the subjects family wishes it. Irrelevant content, poorly sourced content, or inaccurate content is different, but citing a source to show that it is inaccurate would be helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:02, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Matthewtsweetman, you say that some of the facts stated in this article are inaccurate. I'll have a look through the article and check the facts presented against the sources cited. I'm going to start with the personal life section, since you removed the most content from there. To give me a better idea of what you are concerned about, are there any specific facts you believe are inaccurate? On Wikipedia, we give extra sensitivity to the biographies of living people, especially when it comes to factual accuracy. Aspening (talk) 00:31, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Everything in the "Personal Life" section needs to be deleted immediately. An explanation should not be given as it was upon the request from the Rappport family to be taken down. Things detailing what he owns personally such as homes, planes, etc amongst other specific things detailing his personal life is irrelevant to the the articles main subject,. Please honor the Rappaport Family's wishes and please delete the content in that section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewtsweetman (talk • contribs) 04:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That is not going to happen, Matthewtsweetman, and if you do a bulk removal again, I will block you from editing. If you have specific concerns, list them individually with reasons. If you don't, it will be assumed that there are no valid concerns. "The wish of the family" is not a valid reason, even if we knew that you in fact represent the family, which we don't. Aspening volunteered to review the sources and remove anything questionable, which was more than s/he was required to do. Subjects do not control their own Wikipedia articles, much less the subject's family. See WP:OWN. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 05:11, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Rappaport family- one of the most prominent families in Boston, and also one of the most respected attorneys, are willing to take legal action against Wikipedia for invasion of privacy. This is your last warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewtsweetman (talk • contribs) 03:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a member of the family, I am someone representing the family. This is a man who's 90 years old. Let him live in peace without him worrying about who knows what about his personal life. The Rappaport' are willing to move further with the legal ramifications against Wikipedia and the content shown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewtsweetman (talk • contribs) 03:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is public information taken from the references in the article, so Wikipedia has a right to use it. If something isn’t in those articles or is now incorrect then it can be changed or removed, otherwise the information stays. As for you threat of legal action, please be aware of WP:THREAT. I have reported you to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents NZ Footballs Conscience^(talk) 04:10, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Matthewtsweetman: It is entirely unacceptable to threaten legal action against Wikipedia contributors and, of course, if you're going to threaten legal action you cannot possibly edit the encyclopedia in a fair manner until that legal action is resolved; unless you immediately retract the threat, you are certain to be indefinitely blocked from editing. If you don't want that to happen, an immediate retraction is required. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:14, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments[edit]

Back in May, before Matthewtsweetman began his work, the article contained a lot of information that in my view should not have been there – personal stuff, unrelated to the reasons for Rappaport's notability. If Sweetman, with his conflict of interest, had asked politely on this page for such material to be removed, that would probably have happened. But Sweetman's high-handed tone, and now his legal threats, have understandably antagonised regular Wikipedia editors.

I would encourage Sweetman to calm down, stop editing (I see that the Matthewtsweetman account has been blocked), and maybe to read Streisand effect. I would encourage regular editors to calm down, put Sweetman and his actions out of their minds, and judge the content of the article on its merits. Maproom (talk) 08:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good advice all around. I haven't looked at the old version you mention, but even the current version has a lot of excess and WP:UNDUE. I've done my bit by removing the Holsteins. E Eng 10:10, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]