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    Former good articleJoe Biden was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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    September 18, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
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    April 22, 2020Good article reassessmentDelisted
    June 28, 2020Good article reassessmentDelisted
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    Current status: Delisted good article

    Current consensus

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    01. Mention that Biden is the oldest president in lead. (Feb 2021)

    02. Deleted non-consensus
    No consensus on section about gaffes. (March 2021 - though closer said that proposer should file a new RfC with a clearer question).

    03. The infobox is shortened. (Feb 2021)

    04. The official 2021 White House portrait should be used as the lead image. (Jan 2021, March 2021)

    05. The infobox caption is "Official portrait, 2021". (April 2021)

    06. In the lead sentence, use "who is" as opposed to "serving as" when referring to Biden as the president. (July 2021)

    07. In the lead sentence, use "46th and current" as opposed to just "46th" when referring to Biden as the president. (July 2021)

    Vice Presidency of Joe Biden

    Hello. On new pages patrol I have come across this article. According to NPP this was previously deleted. Looking at the edit history an IP restored or created this page from a redirect page [1]. Just letting people know. There is a note at the top of the article that this page was split-off per a talk page discussion somewhere. Let me know what we are supposed to do with this. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Well, now I can't find that note at the top of the article - it was edited so it would not actually appear in the article. ----Steve Quinn (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    TBH, I'm not a huge fan of these "Vice Presidency of..." pages. The "Presidency of..." pages, should be enough. GoodDay (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. The "Presidency of..." should be enough. And a Vice Presidency page for Joe Biden seems to be irrelevant at this time. Also, his vice presidency is covered well enough in his bio. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Add new info

    I believe that the announcement of Joe Biden deciding not to retaliate against Iran after Iran fired missiles at Israel should be added to this article, as it relates to his current political decisions. Pilotnance (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    That would be more relevant to Presidency of Joe Biden or Foreign policy of the Joe Biden administration. We have no way of knowing how defining such an announcement will be to Biden's entire life. 331dot (talk) 18:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, I am sorry, I did not know those were separate articles. I will go to those articles and ask there. Thanks, Pilotnance (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Beau's biographical sentence

    Under Second Marriage, it says "Beau Biden became an Army judge advocate in Iraq and later Delaware attorney general"

    He became a military lawyer in the United States, later serving in Iraq. By then, he was already elected the Delaware attorney general. This should read "Beau Biden was elected the Delaware Attorney General as well as serving as a lawyer in the Delaware Army National Guard."

    Does Iraq need to be mentioned? If so, it can be tacked on the sentence I suggest.ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 15:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Add his health condition

    Joe Biden famously suffers from Atrial Fibrillation. I think this should be mentioned. NyMetsForever (talk) 15:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Why? Slatersteven (talk) 16:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not unless it has required the invocation of the 25th amendment, sections 3 or 4. -- GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there significant coverage in any WP:RS covering this? MaximusEditor (talk) 21:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's asymptomatic atrial fibrillation. O3000, Ret. (talk) 21:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn't appear to be stopping him from doing his duties as president. Only if it affects his duties. Cwater1 (talk) 17:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Biden and the Gaza Port

    Hello, @Esterau16:. Is there a reason you removed the protests surrounding American involvement in the 2023 Gaza-Israeli War? It's dominated the headlines for months. Beyond this, the port that the Biden administration has ordered the United States to build has been widely ridiculed by experts as at best symbolic, as it doesn't possess the ability to measurably reduce hunger during the ongoing Israeli man-made famine in the Gaza Strip.

    It seems clear to me which events should be included in the lead. KlayCax (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    1) Your edit is not neutral. You try to make the protests look like something that is supported by the vast majority of Americans. 2 recent polls show the opposite. According to a recent poll by YouGov[1], 48% of Americans oppose pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, while only 27% support them. Another recent poll by Morning Consult[2] found similar results: 47% of Americans said they favored banning pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, while 30% were opposed.
    2) The non-recognition of the Palestinian State is an issue well before the current war between Israel and Hamas, which began on October 7, 2023. It is the historical position of the United States, and not something that originated with Biden or with the current war between Israel and Hamas, started on October 7, 2023.
    3) The port that Biden ordered to be built is not yet operational, so it is hasty to make value judgments. But regardless of this, the Biden administration has sent humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians,[3][4][5] and this is an important fact that cannot be ignored.
    4) In your edit summary you falsely said that Biden did not support a ceasefire. Biden has said he is in favor of a ceasefire;[6] there are even mediators from the US government in Egypt negotiating to achieve it.[7] The Biden administration even recently suspended the shipment of a weapons package to Israel.[8] Esterau16 (talk) 12:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To add to what has been noted above, Klaykax's edit places undue weight on the issue, IMO. This is Biden's bio; the article really shouldn't go too deeply into this issue. Some of the material would be better placed on one of the articles about Biden's presidency. Aoi (青い) (talk) 12:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1.) The port will not significantly diminish starvation in the Gaza Strip. There's an unanimous consensus among reliable sources about this. Land and air delivery is needed to actually accomplish this. It's symbolic at best.
    2.) It is true that non-recognition of a Palestinian state has been US policy. That being said, the United States has become dramatically isolated on the issue. However, I'm alright with possibly removing this from the lead.
    3.) The text doesn't say that the protests are supported by the vast majority of Americans. It says that the protests are supported by a significant percentage of them. The latter is undoubtedly true.
    4.) Biden isn't for a ceasefire as long as Hamas retains control of the Gaza Strip. He's for temporary ones. Regardless, none of that is stated in the edit, since he's been pretty ambiguous about the terms and conditions.
    It's not undue weight. Scholars such as Jeffrey Ostler (who is quoted on many Wikipedia articles regarding genocide) has argued that the Biden administration is guilty of violating the Genocide Convention. KlayCax (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well you have pieced together one hell of an indictment of Biden. Part of this may belong in his presidency article at some point. But this article is about Joe Biden then man and his 50 year career. I don't see how any of this belongs here, and certainly not in the lead. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We include protests for LBJ, George W. Bush, and Trump in their articles, why wouldn't we include it in this article?
    I'm alright with modifying the sentence. However, some mention of protests undoubtedly merits mention, and the port shouldn't be mentioned in the lead. KlayCax (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Tens of millions worldwide protested before the Iraq War. One estimate says 36,000,000. Tens of millions worldwide also during the Vietnam War. I attended several. Thus far not much of a comparison. Give it some time. O3000, Ret. (talk) 17:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem is that we don't know yet the long-term consequences of Biden's support for the war. Johnson was forced to give up his re-election bid. We found out that Bush mislead the public about WMDs in Iraq. If, as Biden hopes, the issue fizzles out before the election, then there is little to add. We have to wait and see. TFD (talk) 18:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Beyond the port in Gaza, the Biden administration has provided millions of dollars in humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians in Gaza.[9][10] The Biden administration has also sent humanitarian aid by air.[11] Any changes that are made must mention this.
    Regarding the protests, KlayKax only intend to highlight those who support them, ignoring those who oppose them, even though polls show that many more Americans oppose them. Esterau16 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1. ^ https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49311-opinion-on-pro-palestinian-college-campus-protests
    2. ^ https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/israel-palestine-hamas-war-colleges-polling-march-2024
    3. ^ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/24/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine/
    4. ^ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/04/23/senate-passes-ukraine-israel-taiwan-tiktok-congress/73416799007/
    5. ^ https://www.voanews.com/a/us-airdrops-of-humanitarian-aid-into-gaza-explained/7511264.html
    6. ^ https://www.axios.com/2024/04/04/biden-ceasefire-gaza-netanyahu-call
    7. ^ https://m.katv.com/news/nation-world/hamas-delegation-to-visit-egypt-for-further-gaza-ceasefire-talks-israel-hamas-war-middle-east-negotiations-humanitarian-crisis-palestine-egypt-united-states-international-mediators-hostages-civilian-deaths
    8. ^ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/defense-secretary-confirms-u-s-has-paused-bomb-shipment-to-israel-over-rafah-invasion-concerns
    9. ^ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/24/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine/
    10. ^ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/04/23/senate-passes-ukraine-israel-taiwan-tiktok-congress/73416799007/
    11. ^ https://www.voanews.com/a/us-airdrops-of-humanitarian-aid-into-gaza-explained/7511264.html
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