Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach: His Life, Art, and Work

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...which was presumably a conscious decision on Forke's part...
...although it is known that Forkel was familiar with some of the music in question.^[1]

References

^ John Eliot Gardiner (2008). "Cantatas for the Eighth Sunday after Trinity / Christkirche, Rendsburg" (PDF). bach-cantatas.com. p. 1. Retrieved 22 October 2015.

Please keep the section about the content of the book (named "Content" for that reason) confined to content of the book (what is in the book, what is not in the book) not about the question on "why" Forkel wrote what he wrote (or didn't write what he didn't write): such are topics for other sections of the article, if noteworthy. The mere second-guessing without a commentator saying so in a reliable source, e.g. "...presumably a conscious decision on Forke[l]'s part..." is of course not noteworthy. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:49, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mozart's introduction to JSB's music[edit]

Wasn't it when Cantor Doles had choir boys sing some motets to Mozart, who liked them? `Marlindale (talk)

Hello? Marlindale (talk) 03:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's little Mozart in Forkel's original, so I'm going to point you to Terry's early 20th-century ammended translation (more than twice the content of Forkel's original):
- pp. xii–xiii Mozart mentioned in Terry's introduction (van Swieten salon)
- (footnote 1 p. xxviii Terry explaining why there's little Mozart in Forkel's original)
- footnote 1 p. 58 Mozart encountering and hearing Bach's motets in Leipzig, and analyzing the score (note: Doles not mentioned in the footnote, there are other sources confirming that: he was Thomaskantor at the time)
  - FYI, Mozart later obtained a copy of one of the motets (BWV 225): that manuscript is described here: http://www.bachdigital.de/receive/BachDigitalSource_source_00000066?lang=en
- (footnote 1 p. 105 Mozart's respect for Johann Christian Bach)

Hope this helps. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:53, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I see that 1782, from van Swieten, was earlier than 1789, in Leipzig (Doles). Thanks. Marlindale (talk) 23:02, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note that for Beethoven the van Swieten patronage and his playing the WTC in salons is rather 1790s (see Ludwig van Beethoven#Establishing his career in Vienna). --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:13, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Gardiner-1] John Eliot Gardiner (2008). "Cantatas for the Eighth Sunday after Trinity / Christkirche, Rendsburg" (PDF). bach-cantatas.com. p. 1. Retrieved 22 October 2015.

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