Talk:Kaspersky Lab/Archives/2021

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2021

Update revenue both in infobox and second para lead section from US$ 684 million to US$ 704 million (2020) and don't forget to add the Source. Thanks--103.102.116.213 (talk) 08:20, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done. This edit has been made. MBihun (talk) 14:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Article-name

The company dropped "Lab" from its name and is now just called "Kaspersky"[1]. The majority of independent sources have since adopted the new name.[2]. Any thoughts on changing the article-name to something like "Kaspersky (company)" and/or changing references from "Kaspersky Lab" to "Kaspersky" throughout the article? CorporateM (Talk) 11:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Interesting question. We do change article names when a company changes it's name and sources start using the new name. Examples: KFC and Altria. On the other hand attempted name changes don't always end up being the name people use. For example, you often hear that Google own YouTube, never that Alphabet owns both.

On the other hand, sometimes a company tries to change their name and everybody keeps using the old name. Sometimes we see a press release announcing the new name and then nothing -- they continue on with the old name.

So I could go either way on this one.

I tend to pay little attention to Google results like "Kaspersky Labs" vs. "Kaspersky". People tend to drop parts of names. Examples: People used "Apple" from the start even though the official name was Apple Computer, Inc., and everyone says "Microsoft" instead of "Microsoft Corporation" I would bet that people were calling it "Kaspersky" long before the name change.

One thing I look at when evaluating an article name change is the contact page and the copyright notice. At the bottom of every page on kaspersky.com, I see "© 2019 AO Kaspersky Lab", https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/careers says "Careers at Kaspersky Lab", and https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/contact mentions Kaspersky Lab HQ. If anyone reading this has any influence with Kaspersky please tell them that Wikipedia will be more likely to change the name if they themselves stop using the old name. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:04, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

@Guy Macon, hi!
Back to the company name issue. The company dropped Lab from its common name but kept it when they mention their official name - AO Kaspersky Lab, but Kaspersky.
As for names on the official site, if you take a look at the same pages on the global site (https://www.kaspersky.com/about/careers and https://www.kaspersky.com/about/contact), you will see Kaspersky, not Kaspersky Lab. So, I suggest that you rename the article. Michgrig (talk) 15:02, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I still don't buy it. They may have said they were changing their name but it still says "© 2021 AO Kaspersky Lab. All Rights Reserved" at the bottom of every page, they are still filing patents under the name, [3] it's the name on the EULA,[4] it is still on their support documents[5][6] and it is still what at least some of their business partners call them.[7] I just don't see this as meeting the requirements of WP:COMMONNAME. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

As I said, they keep Lab when they mention the full name of the company, AO Kaspersky Lab, but Kaspersky.
As for the support documents that you gave links to, they are 1) last edited in 2018 (which is also mentioned at the bottom), 2) also mention the full company name. Michgrig (talk) 12:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)