Talk:Kfar Aziz

Thanks for starting this article

Ar2332 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), I wanted to thank you, personally, for starting this article.Davidbena (talk) 03:41, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

The location

To editor Davidbena: The location of this place was previously given as 31°26′12″N 35°05′01″E and grid 163/094. These disagree; that lat-long position is at 157/093. Now you have changed the grid coordinates to 157/023 which is very far away from both the previous locations. (Your location is to the south-east of Beersheva, nowhere near Yatta.) Please don't change Pal Grid coords without checking that there is consistency with the latitude and longitude. If your source really says "157/023" then it either has an error or it is talking about a different place. You can check whether it says the location is near Yatta, as 157/023 is 30 km away. There is a "H. Kefr Aziz" at 157/093 on the south edge of Yatta and I have multiple sources identifying it as the ancient location of Kfar Aziz. I'm changing the grid coordinates to 157/093 until this is resolved.

Incidentally, I question the reliability of www.daat.ac.il/encyclopedia. It has an eminent Steering Committee but the entries are user-contributed. Zero^talk 02:29, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

@Zero0000: I'll recheck the coordinates this evening. I copied the Pal. grid from one of our Hebrew encyclopedias published in the 1980s, but this does not mean that the editor or author was unassailable. I trust your judgment, Zero0000. If there is a way that I can double-check the coordinates for accuracy in the future, please inform me how this can be done. Moreover, I assure you that you have my utmost confidence in your understanding of maps and coordinates. Again, thanks. By the way, the source does, indeed, say that H. Aziz is near Yatta.Davidbena (talk) 12:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Here is a simple way to check if the latitude and longitude match the grid reference. Click on the coords link: 31°25′50″N 35°04′57″E. On the next page select Amud Adan "Topo". The location will be in the center of the map that appears. There's a menu at the top right where you can select the old or new grid; point your mouse at the spot and you have it. Note that the second coord of the Pal Grid has 1000 km added, so 093 shows as 1093. Zero^talk 12:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Wow! That's good to know. I'll remember these steps to follow the next time I post Palestine grid positions. THANKS!!! BTW: Today I went hiking south of Beth-Shemesh looking for Tell Yarmuth, but missed it by a few kilometers, because I stumbled across a different archaeological dig of stupendous size and I just assumed that it was Tell Yarmuth until I got home and could check the existing images online of Tell Yarmuth. It just so happens that I was at a different archaeological site, no less of great antiquity, judging by the size of its walls, the city's layout, and a stone mortar that was unearthed by an archaeological team that worked on the ancient ruin. Tonight I'll try to contact Israeli archaeologist Boaz Zissu to ask him about the site that I photographed, since he has worked extensively in this area and may know the site. We must take extra precaution when posting about these old historic sites. Cheers!Davidbena (talk) 17:25, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

@Zero0000:, I checked the encyclopedic entry once again, and this time it says clearly that the Palestine grid position for Kfar Aziz is 157/023. The entry was compiled by Israeli archaeologist David Amit.Davidbena (talk) 03:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

It's a typo for 157/093. What is at 157/023, 70km to the south is גבעת איאוקן and מטרה לאימוני מטוסים . Zero^talk 13:06, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

I concur with you.Davidbena (talk) 14:04, 1 December 2022 (UTC)