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Where is it? How was it called?[edit]

Tel Mubarak = Tel Mevorah (תל מבורך)?? --Sreifa (talk) 10:59, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Negev & Gibson write about the ancient village of Kefar Shumi or Kefar Shami, close to the springs used as water source for Caesarea.^[1] In 1902 it was known in Arabic as Shuni by its own inhabitants and Mayumas by people from nearby Jisr ez-Zarqa, the latter using that name until today.^[1]

The Encyclopaedia Judaica speaks of the archaeological site known in Arabic as Khirbat Miyāmās, identified with 3rd-century Kfar Shumi or Shami from the Jerusalem Talmud.^[2]

Then there's the site of Tell Mubarak, which might be identical with Tel Mevorah - or not.

The article doesn't offer a single ref for the adopted name. Is Khirbat al-Shuna a real name? Who used it and when? If so: did anyone, ever, spell it with a as opposed to e (Khirbet el/esh-Shuneh/Shuna) while the village still existed? I doubt it.

Far too many names, many of which aren't even mentioned in this "article", with far too little clarity on what's what. The Nakba isn't all, always.

References

^ ^a ^b Negev, Avraham; Gibson, Shimon, eds. (2001). "Maiumas (c); Shuni-Mayumas". Archaeological Encyclopedia of the Holy Land. New York and London: Continuum. pp. 309, 468–469. ISBN 0-8264-1316-1.
^ Avi-Yonah, Michael; Gibson, Shimon (2008). "Maiumas". Maiumas. Encyclopaedia Judaica (2nd ed.). The Gale Group. Retrieved 15 May 2024 – via Jewish Virtual Library.

Arminden (talk) 07:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Write it or delete it[edit]

There is no info on the alleged village in the entire "article" beyond a challangeable name (see above). Khirbet might mean: not populated. There was an Arab village at Shuni/Mayumas, but does "Khirbet as-Shuna" have anything to do with it? Maybe the latter was just a khirba near the village for all we know.

The huge mansion in the photo might as well be the country residence of an effendi, which doesn't need to be connected to a village.

We have less than nothing here. Arminden (talk) 08:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 1940s map has a tiny "Kh.EshShuna" with trees and a lonely, large hashed black square - what is it? Map legend is cropped out. Maybe the ancient ruins? In any case, it doesn't seem to have any houses (the solid black squares south of it seem to represent houses).

So, where was the alleged Kh. esh-Shuna village? Arminden (talk) 08:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a stub. Shuna and Shuneh are the same, Khirbat and Khirbet are also the same, so no reason to complain about the name. This place was officially classified as a hamlet in 1947. Archaeological information is in various places such as Dauphin p742. It is listed in the 1931 census together with Zikhron Yaaqov so there is no separate population given. Tell Mubarak is at 1434/2155 at the north end of Beit Hanania, so I'm not sure it is close enough to include. I don't have time to fix this article, but it can be fixed. Zero^talk 12:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[AEHL-1] Negev, Avraham; Gibson, Shimon, eds. (2001). "Maiumas (c); Shuni-Mayumas". Archaeological Encyclopedia of the Holy Land. New York and London: Continuum. pp. 309, 468–469. ISBN 0-8264-1316-1.

[JE-2] Avi-Yonah, Michael; Gibson, Shimon (2008). "Maiumas". Maiumas. Encyclopaedia Judaica (2nd ed.). The Gale Group. Retrieved 15 May 2024 – via Jewish Virtual Library.

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