Talk:Kulbit

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I think its pretty doubtful that the F-35 could perform this move, simply because it is not in the same design class as almost every other plane listed as capable of performing the maneuver. I don't know what the numbers are, but the kulbit loop must require a pretty high thrust-weight ratio (probably over 1) as well as low wing loading. All the airframes capable of the kulbit are large air superiority fighters (or derivatives) - the F-35 does not fit in that category. It is a multi-role airframe designed for a significant ground attack role. Argantael (talk) 15:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The name of this article - Kulbit - as well as the name of the article it redirects from - Frolov Chakra - is incorrect and partially irrelevant. Kulbit is a general word for a flip, either in gymnastics or anywhere where flip maneuver of an object/person takes place. The maneuver authors of the article reefer to, is called Frolov's Charka, not Chakra, first goes "r", then "k". Charka, diminutive of chara - a cup, goblet (cf. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чарка article is in Russian). Not sure how to proceed now, the article should be renamed and redone. Myudelson (talk) 15:56, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

F15 ACTIVE and references[edit]

I read the reference (number 1) cited for the inclusion of the F-15 ACTIVE. Nowhere in the reference did I find ANY mention of the F-15 ACTIVE (and the only mention of an F-15 was in the intro, when it was included with the F-14, F-16 and F-18 as aircraft that were perhaps no longer technologically superior). Perhaps there is a reference error, and the poster meant to use a difference reference, because the one quoted does not seem to support the inclusion of the F-15. In which case, can someone update the reference The other possibility is the inclusion is OR (Original Research), and needs to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.79.157 (talk) 14:46, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

f22[edit]

in light of the lack of references for planes that can perform Kulbit loops, the inclusion of f22 is dubious. It's likely based on video of f22 performing vertical climbs without background objects or smoke for reference ("cobras") followed by stall and nose-down ("kulbit"), mistaken for the real maneuver.

If videos are provided for reference, they should included either aerobatic smoke or be at low enough altitude to have ground references in-frame. 75.170.54.134 (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New source for f-22 kulbit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZGEMJxR_FM

cobra at 1:22, very similar to how a mig-29ovt performed a double kulbit, except it started from a hover Gamerbirb0928 (talk) 17:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cobra and post stall maneuvering[edit]

The Kulbit loop can't be a round loop, because otherwise it would not be a finished cobra. The loop must rather look like a ribbon (but with horizontal start and end), so basically a finished cobra (the first few pictures must exactly look like a cobra). What you show us is just a normal loop, not a post-stall maneuver, and the G-forces would be too high for plane and crew. --178.197.237.10 (talk) 14:41, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe “loop” is misleading; this looks more like the plane is doing a backflip. If the tail comes forward as the nose goes up, then it lays on its back in the stall and falls back into level flight at the end, it is less of a controlled flight manoeuver than an ordinary loop. Pretty neat trick, though... Xyl 54 (talk) 12:48, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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