Talk:Kupari

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Disparaging term[edit]

Another editor commented: "Kupari is a disparaging term for the East Indians (ethnic group)." If a reference can be found for this, it could be mentioned in the article. --Eastmain 12:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All towns are notable[edit]

In general, all towns are notable. If someone could add the latitude and longitude of Kupari as well as other references to the article, that would be helpful. --Eastmain 12:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why this article should be deleted[edit]

User:Eastmain has made two mistakes: One removing the speedy delete tag(in case of a contest you should add a {{hangon}}, not remove the delete tag).

Second he has mistaken this article for a town named Kupari[1]. No this article isn't about a place but about a community. Anyone who has read the article can see that. Please read both articles Kupari and East Indians (ethnic group) and you will find that they are about the same community.

The place named Kupari is in Orissa, India on the eastern coast. The community that is refered to as Kupari in this article exists in and around Vasai and Mumbai on the west coast.

I have been asked to provide references that Kupari is a disparaging term. Well this is the only article which refers to "Kupari" as a community. All web searches will point you to the place, not to the community. So if you insist on me providing a source I have only one answer: can anyone provide references to the original article itself and prove that there is really a community called Kupari?

The only reference I can provide is my own. I have quite a lot of friends from the East Indian community and can assure you that they will not treat you very kindly if you call them as "Kupari". --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 13:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing : this is the only edit done by the creator of the article: Special:Contributions/Rumaovijay

  • I am not speedy deleting this article at this time, as it does not appear to meet any of the criteria. The content may be objectionable, and it may even be terribly inaccurate, but as it stands it will need to go through AfD instead. Kafziel Talk 14:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What does Kupari Mean?[edit]

It will perhaps be helpful to know what Kupari means: It means "Those who drank water from the well(kup)". It may seem innocuous at first but it is not. It is used by local Hindus to insult the Christians. The legend is that during the Portuguese rule a priest would bite a piece of the Eucharist and drop it in the well. The water was now "polluted" by the touch of a Christian. Anyone who drank water from this well was "polluted" and according to Hindu caste rules , lost whatever status he had and was banished from the society. This left them with no choice but to convert to Christianity. Calling a Christian person as Kupari is to tell him that he was a polluted outcast from society and to equate him with a low caste. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 14:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

So? That doesn't mean the article gets deleted. We have articles for kike, spic, nigger, and countless other slurs as well. Kafziel Talk 14:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well there is a difference between writing an article that explains a slur and writing an article using a slur to reffer to a community in a matter of fact way. Can't you see the difference between the two.--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 04:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We need a strong source for that meaning of the word. Note that wikt:kupari is silent on this word. I have provided evidence on the article that this term is in common use in the current times, and one of the sources indicates it may even be used by members of the ethic group to refer to themselves. If this ethic group calls themselves "Kupari", then discussing the originally derogatory nature of the word is a moot point. John Vandenberg 07:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion[edit]

Please use {{Infobox ethnic group}}, for the Kupari article, as it will look better.

The history section does not cite sources. Please add reliable references. the total population of the community is is about 40,000 to 45,000, needs a reference.
97% of this population is Roman Catholic, I have gone through the website and it states that in 2004 only 3.6% is Roman Catholic, this is inaccuracy.
Education along with religion and missionary works has helped upliftment of the Kupari society. They have 100% literacy rate. this too needs a reference.
This community is concentrated mostly in Bassein (Portuguese: Baçaim) there is a reference but is show information of the Vasai fort, not about Kuparis.
Baltim (Baptism), Komsar (Confession), Cominyao (First Holy Communion), and Chrisma(Confirmation) these all have their own separte article, they have to not be explanied in detail.
Most of the kuparis have their ancestry through samvedic brahmin community while some trace few relations in neighbouring vadvalite community as well as goan community due to inter communal marriages. Minor traces of portuguese ancestry in this community cannot be denied due to portuguese intercommunal marriages during portuguese rule as in case of St. Gonsalo Garcia. This is originial research, strictly prohibited on Wikipedia.
The population is about 40,000 to 45,000. Rough estimate of this population around North America is around 300 and around Middle East is of about 150. needs reference and the second section again shows originial research.
Kuparis have been well educated for generations. They are hardworking, which aids their ventures in a variety of sectors. In recent years Kuparis have shown transition towards various sectors, including engineering, medicine, and corporate enterprises. A considerable amount of the Kupari population has relocated to the North America, Europe, Middle East and Australia. needs a reference.SanfyTalk

whixh?[edit]

I can't believe people have been editing this article since 2007 and nobody saw the word "whixh" in the intro. What do people think editing is exactly? Just put in your own stuff and forget the rest I suppose. Tells you everything you need to know about why WP is so bad. The rest of the intro is awful too, but it makes you wonder if anything is worth the effort here--ෆාට් බුබුල (talk) 08:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

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