Talk:Lead crystal

Requested move[edit]

Crystal (glass) → Lead crystal – {Lead crystal is a redirect to Crystal (glass), but up until I merged them there were separate articles about the same thing at Lead glass and Crystal (glass). I feel that putting the article at Lead crystal will achieve the best of both of the titles of the merged articles. The meaning of Lead crystal is as clear as, well, "crystal" (hehe sorry I couldn't resist) and will be less ambiguous than Crystal but more useful than Lead glass.} Pschemp | Talk 08:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, I think both lead glass and crystal (glass) are confusing (both lead and crystal should be in the title for ease) and to skip any conflict over lead glass or crystal glass, I think lead crystal is a good, less ambiguous solution. When you say lead crystal, glass is a known imply. Pschemp | Talk 04:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Voting[edit]

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Support Makes sense. 64.216.41.145 22:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. —Keenan Pepper 23:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Lead Crystal less ambiguous than others.Pschemp | Talk 04:10, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose You're going to have a hard time convincing me that tvs and monitors count as "crystal". In order for lead glass to become crystal, it must be cut. Crystal is a subset of lead glass, not the other way around. The article is rightfully named 'lead glass', with either a redirect from 'crystal' or another article talking about cut glass at that location. I should also point out that no vote is necessary to move an article. Any admin can do it any time. D e nni ☯ 20:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

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Is there any data on the toxicity of lead crystal (the "lead" part makes it seem dangerous)? 70.33.44.69 00:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and as such, I've added a section on lead crystal and food safety. Source: source: Angela M. Fraser, Ph.D., Associate Professor/Food Safety Specialist, and Carolyn J. Lackey, Ph.D., R.D., L.D.N., Professor/Food and Nutrition Specialist, North Carolina State University (a 2004 study) Bundas 04:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)Bundas[reply]

Good morning ! I would be obliged if you could consider mentioning us amongst the manufacturers of crystal glasses, like Baccarat etc. If we can have a link it would be to http://2ecm8.com With best regards, Hans SanderMuhcow 23:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a media reference on Lead Crystal risks. It appears to be the unattributed source of data in this story http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3DB163FF93AA25751C0A967958260 Storing Wine in Crystal Decanters May Pose Lead Hazard By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN Published: February 19, 1991 BryceN

definition of a lead-free crystal[edit]

Would it be possible to add a section, or at least a distinction/definition of what "lead-free crystal" is? Davebug 18:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it obvious enough? One without any detectable lead. Alvis (talk) 06:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is it crystalline?[edit]

Lead crystal is a glass, which is an amorphous solid. As such, "crystal glass" should be a contradiction in terms. Something to indicate whether it is indeed a crystal or if it's amorphous like all other glass would be a helpful addition to this article. I would add it myself but I don't know. James Callahan 23:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No: it's just cut glass. The "crystal" is more a marketing term. But don't think you're getting natural diamond or precious stone crystals either -- those things are shaped and polished according to fashion not the underling crystalline structure. See http://www.madehow.com/Volume-4/Lead-Crystal.html BryceN

Neutrality of "Lead crystal and food safety"[edit]

The examples given, wine and citrus juice, are extremes of the extreme end of the high-reactivity-yet-consumable-liquids scale: a solvent and an acid. Shouldn't there be at least SOME mention of the degree to which plain old water takes lead ions out of the glass? Alvis (talk) 06:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

another reference[edit]

lead exposures from lead crystal decanters. 69.107.14.34 (talk) 04:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dispersion[edit]

How much dispersion does lead crystal have as compared with regular glass? If there is more, it should be mentioned, because it would cause rainbow sparkles. —Ben FrantzDale (talk) 15:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merging "Lead crystal" into "Lead glass"[edit]

Lead crystal was merged into lead glass. See here. Fuzzy (talk) 19:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]