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Name[edit]

He is listed in Whitburn as "Leapy Lee," not "Lee, Leapy." Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Violent Past[edit]

No mention of his violent past here. Knifing of restaurant owner and subsequent imprisonment. 124.120.130.187 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Please see the thread immediately below. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arrest and imprisonment in 1970[edit]

This removal is now the sixth by "a number" of editors. The material is all perfectly well-sourced, so what are the reasons, if any, why it should not be included? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And we're now up to 7 with "User:Barry J Morgan" joining the throng. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've semi-protected the article to prevent further disruption. --Michig (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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If all of these apply, then it is reasonable for the information to be included. If none of them apply, then it should be removed. Theroadislong (talk) 16:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is more detail here. It was at the Red Lion pub in Sunningdale, and it was a stabbing not just a "brawl". More importantly Lee protested his innocence, saying he was "the fall guy" for Diana Dors. Should any more detail be added? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leapy Lee[edit]

I removed this reference as I believe it breaches the UK Rehabilitation of Offenders Act as the offence is now spent and it is unlawful to publicise the matter. Barry J Morgan (talk) 16:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source to support your claim? Does an encyclopedia count as "publicity"? But this is quite an important question that bears on WP:BLPCRIME. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth[edit]

AllMusic here says both "Born Graham Pulleybank in Eastbourne, England, on July 2, 1939" and "Born: July 2, 1942 in Eastbourne, Sussex, England". (Also misspells his birth name). Martinevans123 (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note FreeBMD has 11 births named "Pulleyblank" for the years between 1937 and 1942. Two of these are for Eastbourne: one is Shirley G. registered June 1937 and one is Graham registered Sept 1939: [1]. I'd suggest the latter is the one we need. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:25, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the FreeBMD entry above. But neither FreeBMD nor the actual registration record itself is considered WP:RS. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]