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Better references needed, especially for the name[edit]

we need pre-2008 references. currently his birth name as "Wong Loke Yew" is based on 2007 news article by "the star" https://web.archive.org/web/20110521065828/http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=%2F2007%2F6%2F2%2Fcentral%2F17821154&sec=central . books with some authority would be better.

i cannot find any references for the alleged kanji birth name, which was added by User:Marcuslim: special:diff/200450000. RZuo (talk) 16:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What about from his family?
The information provided by Marcus Lim (who isn’t a family member) is correct.
Loke Yew is my maternal great grandfather. My maternal grandfather is Loke Wan Yat, my mother is Ruby Loke, my uncle is Charlie Loke and my first cousin once removed is Choo Mei Leen (all of whom are mentioned in the Wikipedia article and my uncle, mother and first cousin once removed are still alive and I am in contact with all of those still alive…in fact, my mother is in the next room as I write this). We know my great grandfather’s history intimately and I, along with cousin Mei Leen, are the family genealogists and I oversee (and corrected much of) the Wikipedia entry on my maternal great grandfather, Loke Yew.
We also commissioned and had a book researched by Dr Neil Khor (a Malaysian historian, <https://www.linkedin.com/in/neil-khor-5290721ba>) entitled “Loke Yew : A Malayan Pioneer” published:
<https://thecathay.com.sg/loke-yew-a-malayan-pioneer>
It is authoritative and provides all the references that you’re looking for. I am also listed there in the acknowledgements under the “Family” category.
Regards,
Tan Kok Yong GrammarNSpellChecker (talk) 06:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@GrammarNSpellChecker: thank you very much for the info, Mr Tan!
Reliable history and info passed down within family are really important materials for historical studies. I dare say, it's not so common to find descendants of such important historical figures contributing to Wikipedia. Thanks a lot for your contribution!
Nonetheless, if your family could publicly release such info and historical documents, it would be of great value for historical studies and in the interest of the general public, especially the Cantonese diaspora in Southeast Asia as well as Cantonese people all over the world. As you can see, there are scant and unreliable articles (often from content farms) that people can find on Google. (For example, the photo currently in use, File:Loke Yew.jpg, was taken from a third-party website. The image quality would definitely not be as good as if it were directly scanned from the original and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons.) The Chinese version zh:陸佑 is so brief and lacking of details, even though Mr Loke was a monumental leader of the community and philanthropist unmatched in his lifetime.
With the family knowledge you wrote, your identity is quite certainly true. However, just like academic research in the area of history, it is important that these infos can be reliably verified for Wikipedia. WP:Primary sources told from a Wikipedia account are hard to verify. There are many ways to reputably publish. WP:Self-published articles online may also be sufficient. The book written by Dr Neil Khor is very useful, but unfortunately it is out of my reach (I dont live in Asia or Anglophone countries). Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources for more guidance on citation.
Currently, category:Loke Yew has far too few images and documents about Mr Loke. It will be deeply appreciated if your family could upload more, because materials you own must be the original, first-hand. Their value to history research is immeasurable.--RZuo (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I am passionate about these untold histories of Cantonese (as well as Teochew, Hakka, Hokkien...) people. I grew up in 2000s Canton, Gwongdung. Because of Chinese communist rule, I could barely learn anything about the history of our people and our communities from 1800 till now. Mr Loke and your family's philanthropy had benefited not only Malaysia, Singapore and HK, but also Canton and Gwongdung. Lingnam University 嶺南大學 had a 陸佑堂. But at the time when I grew up, Canton and Gwongdung have been disconnected from the world for so long. Many Canton citizens were still benefiting from the legacies but they would most probably be unaware of the historical significance. That is also the reason underlying the Chinese academia's lack of interest in history studies, not only about Mr Loke but also about the Canto, Teochew, Hakka... communities in general, I believe. It hence became my ambition to rediscover and promote history of our communities. RZuo (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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