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Edit request on 27 December 2012

118.100.150.67 (talk) 09:21, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done:This is for requesting changes to the article. Please explain about the change to be made. Thank you···Vanischenu「m/Talk」 10:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

misinterpretation of sources

The sources regarding Malayadvipa don't say anything about the etymology of Melayu. The sources provide only, which name was used by Indians to refer to Malaysia. I've corrected the errors.--Dravidianhero (talk) 15:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 August 2013

The current reference to Malaysia as a centre of Islamic banking does nothing to qualify the statement or cite reference for it. Please change "The country has developed into a centre of Islamic banking, and is the country with the highest numbers(sic) of female workers in that industry." to "The country has developed into a centre of Islamic banking, with one of the largest sharia compliant assets in the world, and is the country with the highest number of female workers in that industry."

Source: http://www.healyconsultants.com/company-incorporation/MalaysiaCompanyFormation.html

Johnburken252 (talk) 09:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Please find a reference that is not obviously shilling for a company. --NeilN talk to me 03:25, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Freedom of religion

Twice it is mentioned that the Constitution of Malaysia guarantees freedom of religion, once in the 3rd paragraph of the introduction, and again in section 9.1 . Freedom of religion is generally recognized also to include the freedom to change religion or not to follow any religion. The freedom to leave or discontinue membership in a religion or religious group —in religious terms called "apostasy" — is also a fundamental part of religious freedom, covered by Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [1]. The Constitution doesn't guarantee this for Muslims in Malaysia, since Article 3 states that States may create Syariah courts to adjudicate over Muslims in respect of State Islamic laws [2]. Hence, there have been several cases where Muslims were not allowed to change religion [3], [4]. Therefor, it cannot be said that the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion for Muslims in Malaysia, and I request this exception to be specified at both places. Andre.Koster (talk) 03:17, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right place to go in to such a level of detail but in any case, I don't think this is as simple as you think.
As with any constitutional issue in any country, the precise intepretation matters quite a lot. As you've hinted at, the constitution both guarantees freedom of religion and allows the establishment of Syariah courts so the question of how these interact is important. Generally speaking, in recent times the Federal courts have usually and controversially deferred to the Syariah courts when the issue of the interaction of constitutional guarantees vs Syariah law has come up. However there's nothing in the constitution I'm aware of that forces this.
In the particular example you refer to, it's easy to see there is another obvious intepretation. Since freedom of religion is guaranteed, if this is intepreted as to include the right to choose religion or to not follow any religion in accordance to international norms, and since Syariah courts only have jurisdiction over Muslims, if someone does not consider themselves Muslim, Syariah courts do not have jurisdiction over this person. Therefore the issue of "apostasy" is basically irrelevant. (Of course there are obvious issues surrounding those who do consider themselves Muslim, but don't adhere to the specific Sunni faith system in Malaysia although there's no particular reason the federal courts couldn't rule in a similar manner to someone who doesn't claim to be Muslim at all, i.e. the Syariah courts have no jurisdiction over this person.)
The fact that the Federal courts have not generally intepreted the constitution in this manner doesn't change the possibility that the two parts can be reconciled in a manner consistent with international norms. In other words, this is more of an intepretational issue than a written one. (It's only a written one in so much the constitution doesn't clearly specify that the Syariah courts do not have jurisdiction over someone who is not Muslim regardless of whether that person may have once been so or some official documents says that person is. But this sort of thing is hardly uncommon and constitutions rarely go in to that level of details.) And it's not even that simple since the courts have sometimes issued what seems to be contradictory opinions.
Note that in recent times, this issue has often also came up when someone is for some reason identified as Muslim by someone in government but either that person or their family (after their death) argues they never identified as Muslim.
A more clearcut issue IMO is Article 160 of the Constitution of Malaysia which effectively requires someone to be Muslim to be Malay. Note that unlike the previous example, in this example there seems to be a clear cut contradiction in the constitution itself whereas I've explained, it's not clear that there's a contradiction in the previous example. Of course, some would argue provided the person is actually allowed to convert, the person has freedom of religion since there's no reason why a ethnic group can't be defined to require a certain religion. But since there is special recognition coming from part of that group, there are obvious questions over why religion is an integral part of that group which is about native rights. There are also other related issues here, for example, someone can became a Bumiputera (Malaysia) by becoming a Malay which includes embracing Islam, but embracing the traditional religious beliefs of other Bumiputera will get you no where. (Or a Bumiputera who is not a Muslim and embraces Islam will still be a Bumiputera. A Malay who embraces the traditional religious beliefs of some other Bumiputera group will cease to be a Bumiputera.)
And there are other issues, e.g. the restrictions on propogating other religions to Muslims in article 11(4), marriage between a Muslim and non Muslimn, freedom for religious materials not directed at Muslims but which are alleged to be problematic for various reasons such as the use of the word Allah or insulting a prophet etc etc. And some would consider having an official religion itself (which we obviously do mention) is inherently contradictory with having freedom of religion.
Either way, considering the complexity of the issues here, and that this is an article on the country I'm not sure whether we can cover much more. And either way we do need reliable sources which actual cover the complicated issues (not reliable sources simply covering specific cases). Note that the article already mentions Syariah courts and their handling apostasy and religious conversion and has since before you posted [1]. I would note Freedom of religion in Malaysia appears to be one of the better articles on Malaysia in wikipedia.
Nil Einne (talk) 12:24, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Image glut

Lately there've been numerous image changes and additions to this article. As it stands, in part they're overwhelming the text. The second image in history, of the marching parade, on my screen flows into the next section, and it doesn't really aid understanding of anything. Foreign relations and military currently has 4 images, none of which give any understanding that would be reached without them, and three of which are generic military images that have been shrunk to a point where little detail can be seen. The Geography section has 3 scrunched up images, two of which are simply pretty landscapes, the third of which is more infrastructure than anything geographical. Wildlife has gone so far that it has an oddly formatted gallery. Infrastructure has two small pictures squishing all the text between them. And so on through the article. The article as it stands doesn't comply with WP:MOSIMAGES at all. We should really be looking for one or two pictures per second, and ones that actually aid a reader's understanding. The pie charts and maps for example, seem helpful. On the other hand, the image of a sign in languages where the text can't even be seen is not. Are they any opinions on which images should be kept, or replacements suggestions? CMD (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/HC24Ae01.html. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Diannaa (talk) 00:02, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

References to press freedom

Malaysia's press freedom ranking has now dropped to 147, behind even the nanny-state of Singapore. I presume then that any reference to this in this article will be removed by those guilty of the same mealy-mouthed equivocation that has produced a mere two paragraphs in the whole article about the deplorable lack of press freedom within this country. Stephen A (talk) 06:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I've replaced the removed sentence with one based on Freedom House's 2013 report. What more do you think is needed? An expansion of Media of Malaysia would be more viable than an expasion on information here. CMD (talk) 12:39, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2014

Please change Malaysia's coat of arms picture to this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jata_Negara_Malaysia.png because the current picture is not correct. Please refer to http://pmr.penerangan.gov.my/index.php/profil-malaysia/7955-jata-negara.html Mzahidi (talk) 09:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

We can't use a picture that does not have a discussed copyright status. What we need is someone to look into Malaysian copyright law and attach a fair use rationale to a full coat of arms. CMD (talk) 11:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
@Mzahidi: According to the Malaysian law, Malaysian copyright works would become a public domain after 50 years. Due to the last modified happens on 1965, so it would be free on 2015. The notice has been stated in here. Cheers! — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 11:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Well that's a problem for the image currently in our article, which User:Ssolbergj has uploaded as cc3.0. A full coat should have the same status. CMD (talk) 11:47, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Yep, that's what I think too. Maybe the lesser arms should be deleted. I prefer like the Turkey article which didn't use any coat of arms at the moment. — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 11:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 02:20, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

GA check

I am working my way through the Good articles listed at Places; having a quick look to see if they still meet the Good article criteria. I have landed on this article. After I've had a quick look, I'll leave a note here indicating if I have concerns or not.

In general, I see the process as this: 1) Give the article a quick look to see if there are obvious issues: maintenance tags, unsourced sections, excessive media, etc, resolving any minor issues as I do so; 2) If I have concerns, open a GAR to see how serious those concerns are, resolving them myself if they are not serious; 3) If during the GAR I feel that there is significant work to be done (more than I can or am willing to do myself), I will put the GAR on hold and notify the main contributors.

My aim and intention is to keep the article listed - I would rather the article was improved and kept listed than the article is delisted. Where a delisting seems likely due to the amount or nature of work needed being greater than I am able to do alone, and the main contributors are unavailable or unable for whatever reason to do the work, then appropriate WikiProjects will be notified at least seven days before a delisting would take place. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Green tickYArticle appears fine. It provides a good overview of the subject in a concise and readable form - it is 52 kB (8281 words) of readable prose, which for the range and depth of the subject is doing well. Areas that need thinking about for ongoing development are the amount and choice of images. This is a general article about the whole of the country, yet we have seven images for the Biodiversity section (awkward title, Wildlife is more reader friendly, and the title commonly used on Wikipedia), which seems disproportionate. See WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE which advises against using multiple similar images, I would suggest the national animal, and the national flower, and perhaps also the official mascot would be relevant, the rest are starting to swamp and domiante the article. The sub-sections in the Biodiversity section create a cluttered feel. MOS:BODY has this advice: "Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit the flow of the prose." The section can be formatted using ; instead of === to create softer headings, and ease flow when reading. SilkTork ✔Tea time 08:17, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks User:SilkTork. I've been meaning to redo the Biodiversity section for awhile. CMD (talk) 11:17, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Related, but neglected topic

Can someone occasionally check here? I had at least to update three, up to one year obsolete entries. This list seems to have been neglected since 2010. 112.198.79.184 (talk) 17:17, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

culture section

88.170.102.174 (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

There are a couple of in the culture section.

Firstly, the references footnoted to 213 are void as it is a dead link.

Second, the first paragraph reference to 'the structure of government' and 'social contract theory' as reasons that minorities have not been assimilated seems preposterous (I'm a political philosopher with a graduate degree in this subject from Oxford).

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:35, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Where's the coat of arms?

Why doesn't this country page have the coat of arms/Emblem of Malaysia on it? 203.106.220.77 (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Coat of arms copyright period

I think the copyright period has ended now as the law stated on page 19:

Copyright in published editions of works

  1. Copyright shall subsist, subject to the provisions of this Act, in every published edition of any one or more literary, artistic or musical work in the case of which either—
the first publication of the edition took place in Malaysia;

or

the publisher of the edition was a qualified person at the date of the first publication thereof:

It means since the first version adopted/published on 1952, it is already 62 years now and doesn't include the 1963, 1965, 1982 and 1988 modification. — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 15:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Revisions required

Since this page is a restricted edit... The language section says that Maths and Science are taught in English in Malaysian schools. They are not. The subjects are taught in Malay (as the references actually say). Can that be corrected? You should also add that the tiger population in Malaysia could be only half earlier estimates… There are only between 250 -340 Malayan tigers left, against an earlier estimate of 500. http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/09/15/Malayan-tiger-critically-endangered/ Malwriter (talk) 14:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

GOLF is "the" most popular sports in Malaysia?

Can anybody in their right mind tell me, WHEN does GOLF become the most popular sport in Malaysia? Go check the Sports section of this article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:E68:4417:31E0:2C86:2179:981:44E8 (talk) 08:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed The edit are made by Sk.doubled before without citing it with any sources. Thanks for reporting! — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 09:33, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Remove Junk HTML Tags

At the top of the page, right after the redirect notice, there are junk HTML tags. These tags need to be removed.

<tr class="mergedrow"> <tr class="mergedbottomrow">

Thanks.

- Hareesh Sivasubramanian (talk) 19:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

North Borneo (a.k.a.) Sabah

There is an on-going issue regarding Sabah. Please see [5] with attention to 1878 agreement between Overbeck / Dent and the Sultan of Sulu.

Thinking chimp42 (talk) 17:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Please be noted that any new reference should be neutral and reliable. The link you provide are not even recognised as a reliable source. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 17:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
  2. ^ http://www.jac.gov.my/images/stories/akta/federalconstitution.pdf
  3. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14199815
  4. ^ http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/30/us-malaysia-religion-ruling-idUSSP20856820070530
  5. ^ www.royalsulu.com

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2015

Religion = Islam (Official) 118.101.202.236 (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done --Joshua Talk to me What I've done? 07:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Climate

How about a climate chart like at other sites?64.53.191.77 (talk) 02:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean something like the chart at Kuala Lumpur#Climate and weather? We don't usually put climate data charts in articles for countries; those are included in articles for cities. --Joshua Talk to me What I've done? 02:57, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2015

EricSu112233 (talk) 11:45, 27 June 2015 (UTC) languages = [[Malay alphabet|Malay (Latin) alphabet],English]

 Not done You need to say what you want changed, we're not mind readers. IgnorantArmies (talk) 12:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2015

EricSu112233 (talk) 02:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

The Office Script of Malaysia Including English(British)

 Not done Please clarify what changes you want to be made. Datbubblegumdoe (talk) 15:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

pronunciation

A third (widely used) alternative is /məˈleɪziə/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.127.125.175 (talk) 20:08, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Conservation issues -> Environmental and Conservation issues

Request for Comments to rename the chapter "Conservation issues" into "Environmental and Conservation issues"

Arguments in favor of this change: it would allow to give a place to all the top environmental issues, e.g. in the field of Climate Change, Malaysia is one of the few countries and maybe the only developed country that has not introduced an INDC during the COP21.This is how the chapter is now organised: Conservation issues[edit]

Main article: Environmental issues in Malaysia

--SvenAERTS (talk) 10:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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Economic grouth

The article mentions 6.5% for 50 years. What's the exact time period? Is this value inflation adjusted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nanoflop (talk • contribs) 13:31, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2016

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 12:43, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2016

Malaysia(English,Malay) 马来西亚(Simplified Chinese)

I would like to add the Chinese name of Malaysia on the article. As a Chinese Malaysia, we are allowing and studying Chinese in Malaysia, and it was sad when I am looking this page because there is no Chinese on it but Singapore and Brunei do it!! It's unfair for our nation even our government are also using Chinese on our nation slogan and using a one of the sign language.

Oh yeah, could you change the word " Recognized: English " to "Second official language or Second language： English". This is because English is widely spoken and using in Malaysian life, also our constitution 'The Malaysian Act' have allowed English used as one of the official language in Malaysia.

Thanks

EricSu112233 (talk) 16:38, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Chinese is not an official language of Malaysia. English has a role, but is clearly contrasted with the "national language" of Malay. Due to this, I think "Recognised" is the best formulation as it notes an official status but doesn't place it at the same rank as Malay. That said, "Second language" is an interesting alternative. CMD (talk) 10:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Etymology

I have added below info in etymology section. The previous one is more into describing the origin of Melayu term, not the term 'Malaysia' itself specifically.

  • The name 'Malaysia' is a combination of the word Malay and the Latin/Greek suffix -sia/-σία.[1]
  • In modern terminology, "Malay" is the name of an ethnoreligious group of Austronesian people predominantly inhabiting the Malay peninsula and portions of adjacent islands of Southeast Asia, including the east coast of Sumatra, the coast of Borneo, and smaller islands that lie between these areas.[2]
  • The origins of the word Melayu ('Malay') itself are disputed. Among notable theories are, it is derived from the Sungai Melayu ('Melayu river') in Sumatra,[3] from the Melayu Kingdom, a classical kingdom that existed in the 7th century Sumatra.
  • In 19th century, the concept of "Malay race" was first propagated by European scholars, in referring to all natives of Maritime Southeast Asia or Austronesians as a whole. A number of derivations from this anachronistic concept was later introduced, among others were the terms "Malay Archipelago"[4] as well as "Malaysia" itself.

Ø:G (talk) 03:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Room, Adrian (2004). Placenames of the World: Origins and Meanings of the Names for Over 5000 Natural Features, Countries, Capitals, Territories, Cities and Historic Sites. McFarland & Company. p. 221. ISBN 978-078-6418-14-5.
  2. ^ The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica (2013). "Malay". Encyclopaedia Britannica Inc. {{cite web}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  3. ^ Milner, Anthony (2010), The Malays (The Peoples of South-East Asia and the Pacific), Wiley-Blackwell, pp. 18–19, ISBN 978-1-4443-3903-1
  4. ^ "States of Malaysia". Statoids (Administrative Divisions of Countries). Retrieved 23 June 2010.
  5. ^ Mohamed Anwar Omar Din (2012). "Legitimacy of the Malays as the Sons of the Soil". Canadian Center of Science and Education. pp. 80–81. ISSN 1911-2025.
  6. ^ Reid, Anthony (2010). Imperial alchemy : nationalism and political identity in Southeast Asia. Cambridge University Press. p. 95. ISBN 978-052-1872-37-9.
The etymology section should at least addresses the following subjects which i have summarised. For those who have their own alternatives, including Mr. CMD, you are free to present your own understanding on this. Instead of messing the section with your own POV, lets us discuss it here to find solutions:
  • The etymological origin of the word Melayu:
Malay/Javanese words Melayu/Mlayu (to steadily accelerate or to run)-->Sungai Melayu (Melayu river) -->Kerajaan Melayu (7th century)-->Melayu (15th century) a.k.a "Malayos" or "Malay" by Europeans.
  • Etymological origin of Malaysia
Malay (Oxford Dict: Originates from Malay word "Malayu")(Merriam-Webster: Originates from obsolete Dutch Malayo, itself from Malay word "Melayu"), first known use 1598-->Malay race (1795 concept by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach)-->Malay+sia = Malaysia (1826 term coined by Jules Dumont d'Urville)
  • Toponym history of Malaysia
Tanah Melayu (15th century)-->Malaya (1906) (English rendition of "Tanah Melayu")-->Tanah Melayu/Malaya (1948)->Malaysia (1963)

Ø:G (talk) 03:36, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

This is very simple. The word "Melayu" is not an etymological origin for the word "Melayu". The word "Melayu" is the word "Melayu". The meaning of that word may change, but that does not explain the origin of the original word. CMD (talk) 19:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Melayu/Melaju is derived from the word "layu/laju". The "layu/laju" means "steadily accelerate or run", thus with the prefix "me" added to the words, it give the meaning "to steadily accelerate or to run". You don't provide the complete chronological order of its origin from the claimed "Malaiyur" here, because i believe it doesn't has one. The "Malaiyur" is stucked there, has no continuity and has no chronological link in history. Melayu from the Me+Laju/Me+Layu, on the other hand, has a complete chronological order in history:
Malay/Javanese words Melayu/Mlayu (to steadily accelerate or to run)-->Sungai Melayu (Melayu river) -->Kerajaan Melayu (7th century)-->Melayu (15th century) a.k.a "Malayos" or "Malay" by Europeans.Ø:G (talk) 01:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey look, information which you've never actually mentioned before. Why don't you provide a source that notes this? That is actually an etymological origin, rather than what you've already been postulating. As for the Malaiyur theory, presumably the chronological origin is that it became applied to the people of whatever land was being discussed. If you can present sources noting the layu/laju origin, then that can be added in. I tend to agree it's a very likely theory actually, so I'd have no objections to placing it first. Furthermore, if you can show an academic consensus that the Tamil/Indian theory is incorrect, then at that point it can be noted as so or removed. Do you have a source that backs this statement? CMD (talk) 16:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
The existence of Latin words ending in sia and Greek words ending in σία does not imply a "Latin/Greek suffix -sia/-σία", unless that means "a suffix to make a word look more classicalish". Reading between the lines I would guess that the sia was arbitrarily derived from nearby coined names in –nesia (from Greek nēsoi ‘islands’). —Tamfang (talk) 00:42, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I have an earlier edition (1987) of Adrian Room's book, which says nothing about the 'suffix'. I wonder where he got that idea. —Tamfang (talk) 18:43, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes this is incorrect. The sia does mean islands in Greek, thus Malay islands makes no sense at least as it pertains to peninsular Malaya. Rather the SI was added to denote Singapore, when the union of Malaya and Singapore occurred. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.187.16 (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Anthem Country Music

210.186.55.128 (talk) 13:56, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


|national_anthem = Negaraku
"My Country"

File:Negaraku.mp3
Not done: Broken file; no source EvergreenFir (talk) 17:21, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2016


Negaraku instrumental.ogg

94.113.136.248 (talk) 10:29, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:32, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Should malaysia be classified as a semi-republic?

I know that republics are usually "countries without a monarchy". But judging by the fixed term the Malaysia Head of State has, malaysia, at least on the federal level, is not a full monarchy. Therefore, I believe that malaysia is a Semi-Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glide08 (talk • contribs) 08:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

The title of King passes between different royals. At any rate, sources describe it as a monarchy. CMD (talk) 13:11, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2016

About 6% of Malaysia's Population speak the language of "Tamil". There was no mention of this in the language section on this page. Thought it should be something that should be mentioned (references can be taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Malaysians) Kartbalaji (talk) 11:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Dane2007 talk 19:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Media upload of historical photographs of Malaysia

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Secular - 3rd June 2017

In section: Religion

Edit: Malaysia declares Islam as the state religion; the Constitution of Malaysia guarantees freedom of religion and conscience.[1] According to the Population and Housing Census 2010 figures, ethnicity and religious beliefs correlate highly.

Reason: Despite it being said that Malaysia is a secular state repetitively, Malaysia was never a secular state. In the Federal Constitution of Malaysia, it was never said that Malaysia is a secular state and because Secular means separating religion from the government (as said by George Jacob Holyoake in his book, The Principles of Secularism), it is impossible for Malaysia to be a secular state when Article 3(1) of the Federal Constitution of Malaysia says that "Islam is the religion of the Federation". 175.144.129.186 (talk) 04:12, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Done – Train2104 (t • c) 17:35, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Malaysia – Religion". Asian Studies Center – Michigan State University. Retrieved 13 July 2011.

A lot of incorrect info.

Malaysia's true state isn't as good as what is written. The policy here is mostly a wear and tear maintenance policy, so the roads are full of potholes, amongst many other problems. 210.195.243.44 (talk) 06:49, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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GDP, GDP per capita & HDI data needs citation

The following numbers updated by Zulhamieyzan does not have any reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malaysia&diff=prev&oldid=802183610

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malaysia&diff=prev&oldid=802183973

The only data I can dig up so far seems to be way too different from the ones Zulhamieyzan provided.

GDP(PPP)

GDP(nominal)

Please provide sources for such numbers or revert back to previous verifiable values.

I corrected it to reflect the data from IMF and issued a warning to @Zulhamieyzan: for blatant vandalism. --Eng. M.Bandara-Talk 08:38, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

edit request for 'Conservation issues section' June 22, 2017

Language correction for the phrase "and over 60 per cent of the Peninsular's forest have been cleared." which should be changed to "and over 60 per cent of the peninsular forest has been cleared." since 'peninsular' is an adjective and 'forest' is singular. - Artful — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.131.178.20 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

edit request for spelling, June 22, 2017

"It will need to develop an endogeous capacity in innovation..." should be "It will need to develop an endogenous capacity in innovation..." Wikipedia could integrate spellcheck... -Artful — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.131.178.20 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2017

Spelling error in "Foreign Relations and Military", third paragraph third sentence. "enroachment" to "encroachment" 27.147.205.10 (talk) 08:03, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Done Thank-you for pointing that out! regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:39, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Name in infobox

Shouldn't the infobox have the country's official name (Federation of Malaysia)? (24.205.83.199 (talk) 06:52, 15 December 2017 (UTC))

Good point,  Done --haha169 (talk) 10:04, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
  •  Undone... The full official name is "Malaysia"[2]: Article 1(1) of the Constitution - "The Federation shall be known, in Malay and in English, by the name Malaysia." I undid the change. -- Begoon 11:54, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018

The GDP unit is wrong. It should be Millions not Billions. OR you could change the comma to a decimal point.

Melissa Leong Citizen of Malaysia who lost a bet because of this 206.197.62.14 (talk) 19:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Done Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:04, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

update gdp (ppp) and gdp (nominal) for Malaysia 2018

2018 gdp (ppp) and gdp (nominal): GDP (PPP) $987.003 billion Percapita $30,140

Gdp (nominal) $338.233 billion Percapita $10,328

Source: Internantional Monetary Fund Ramadhanf (talk) 12:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2018

Please add ↓

Cityscape

Malaysia Skyline
Malaysia skyline

AyaanLamar (talk) 09:58, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, personally, I think the HDR is a little overdone, but that's just an opinion and there's no denying it's a spectacular picture, as well as a featured pic on Chinese wikipedia. As it happens, I deleted a pic recently, so I'll add this as a replacement, and we'll see if anyone objects. I doubt anyone will. -- Begoon 10:22, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 Done -- Begoon 10:41, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Lead is strong

I often grab large chunks of Wikipedia leads for my own notes, usually thinning substantially according to my own specific interests.

This is time-consuming up front, and therefore a source of constant personal friction: "do I really need to whack this down so much?" I am always asking myself in the moment. From a higher vantage point, when I'm not mired in the irritation of actually doing this, I think this practice of mine does ultimately pay off.

As a result of this tension, I certainly notice when a lead requires less hasty redaction than normal. This lead is very well organized, clear and comprehensive, and is very easy to follow at any reading speed.

Well done to the editors involved. — MaxEnt 13:02, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2018

Malaysia 2018 figures in USD

GDP (nominal)  : 364.919 billion GDP per capita ( nominal): 11,237.421 GDP (PPP)  : 1,002.062 trillion GDP per capita (PPP)  : 30,857.819

based on world economic outlook april 2018 by IMF Powerlinkers (talk) 02:13, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2018

Lambo900009 (talk) 22:37, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Like to improve the article

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:14, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Should the Deputy Prime Minister be added into Infobox?

According to the Federal Constitution of Malaysia, the federal government of Malaysia adopts the principle of separation of powers, which means that the federal government seperated powers into three branches: executive, legislature and judiciary [3]. Each branch has it's leader which is the Prime MinisterDeputy minister(leader of executive), Chief Justice (leader of judiciary), President of the Dewan Negara and Speaker of the Dewan Rakyat (leaders of legislature), and all of them are under the Monarch (or the Supreme Head), which is His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. Seperation of Powers

For my understanding, this part (Infobox) is restricted to the leader of Legislative, Executive, Judiciary and State, not their deputy or assistant. So the Infobox just need to add His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (supreme head of the state), Prime Minister (leader of executive), Chief Justice (leader of judiciary), President of the Dewan Negara and Speaker of the Dewan Rakyat (leaders of legislature). But User:Engku1973 and User:English1780 (probable the second account of User:Engku1973) keep adding the Deputy Prime Minister into Infobox.

For User:Engku1973's reasons, he/she said the Deputy Prime Minister should be added into Infobox because she will serve as acting Prime Minister when Prime Minister is absent. Moreover, he/she said that the Deputy Prime Minister is like number two in cabinet and government and it will be very rude if I remove the Deputy Prime Minister from the Infobox. [4] [5]

So, based on his reasons: Should His Royal Highness Timbalan Yang di-Pertuan Agong (which is the Deputy Supreme Head of Malaysia) also be added into Infobox? Because His Royal Highness will exercises the functions of the head of state during the Yang di-Pertuan Agong's absence. The Deputy President of the Dewan Negara and the Deputy Speakers of the Dewan Rakyat will also exercises the functions of the President of Dewan Negara and Speaker of the Dewan Rakyat during the President/Speaker's absence. Why don't add them together into Infobox?

If no, so why the Deputy Prime Minister be added into Infobox? IOS314 (talk) 19:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Malay & Orang Asli are TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS

Do not whitewash history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malays_(ethnic_group) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orang_Asli — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.92.100.47 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2019 by Hafizuddinkoming

Hafizuddinkoming (talk) 14:35, 12 August 2019 (UTC) demonym = Malaysian

| government_type = Federal parliamentary elective constitutional monarchy | leader_title1 = Yang di-Pertuan Agong/king | leader_name1 = Abdullah al-Haj[1] | leader_title2 = Prime Minister | leader_name2 = Mahathir Mohamad | leader_title3 = deputy prime minister | leader_name3 = Wan Azizah Wan Ismail | leader title4 = chief secretary | leader name4 = DR. Ismail Bakar | leader title5 = president of senate | leader name5 = SA. Vigneswaran | leader title6 = speaker Houses of Representatives | leader name6 = MOhamad Ariff Md. Yusof | legislature = Parliament | upper_house = Dewan Negara (Senate) | lower_house = Dewan Rakyat (House of Representatives)}}

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Hariz Mohd. "Sources: Sultan of Pahang elected as new Agong". Malaysiakini. Malaysiakini. Retrieved 24 January 2019.

How to write Malaysia in Malaysian language?

Shouldn't the native name be in the lede?--SharabSalam (talk) 08:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

The popular native script for Malay is the English version of the Latin alphabet. The alternative script is Jawi, written in a modified Arabic script.Sai2207 (talk)

Official name of Malaysia

Malaysia's official name is simply "Malaysia", not "Federation of Malaysia". Please change this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:80:9CD:290E:339A:9C2F:5D14 (talk) 04:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2019

I would like to change the official name from "Malaysia" to "Federation of Malaysia" as it's proven that it's the official name of Malaysia Malaysian Mapping (talk) 15:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I have the proof to support the change, the name, "Federation of Malaysia" are mention in the four sources below. The sources from eresources.nlb.gov.sg are reliable because they are from Singapore National Library. https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/infopedia/articles/SIP_2019-07-15_170844.html https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/infopedia/articles/SIP_2017-11-06_110458.html https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/infopedia/articles/SIP_1072_2010-03-25.html https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230270930_14 WezSchultz (talk) 08:16, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Official name is defined in the Constitution of Malaysia[1]:

1. (1) The Federation shall be known, in Malay and in English, by the name Malaysia.

As such, the official name should be Malaysia. robertsky (talk) 08:21, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "FEDERAL CONSTITUTION" (PDF).{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

Draft:Hermeneutics of feminism in Islam

Hi,

I came across this promising Draft:Hermeneutics of feminism in Islam (relating to women's rights) and myself supported the same editorially too. IMO since topic potential is vast many Reliable sources on Google scholar seem to be available hence the article needs more editorial hands for some more update and expansion along with appropriate references.

Pl. do join to update and expansion, your help will be most welcome.

Thanks and regards

Bookku (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word) has been relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Edit

"With a population of over 32 million, Malaysia is the world's 43th-most populous country."

I do not believe there is any such thing as a "43th-most" anything. You may consider changing it to "43rd." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madaboutplaid (talk • contribs) 02:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Confusing

I have undertaken research, without billing Wikipedia my usual rate, to sort this out. The 2nd sentence (as of the date and time you can find stamped on this edit) says there are 13 "states". The 2nd-to-last sentence of the third paragraph states that the Monarch is elected by "the nine Malay states". I have pieced it together by my uncompensated labors that one of the nine "Malay States" and one of the 13 "States" are not the same thing, but I wished you made that definition clear FOR me without making me do the work. Actually, NO, I did NOT figure it out. Of the 13 "States", 11 are on the Malay Peninsula, so, upon review, I have NO IDEA why only 9 the 13 States are called "Malay States", whose "rulers" can become Monarch of Malaysia, and why four states' "rulers" are not eligible to become Monarch of Malaysia. I give up, and curse Wikipedia's name yet again. A pox, nay, a Malayse, be upon thee.2604:2000:1383:8B0B:103:D4DB:AD9A:6C92 (talk) 22:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

Term replaced by sultans, thanks, CMD (talk) 02:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 GDP PPP

Hwllo, please update GDP PPP Percapita 2020 est based on lastest data — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProfessorDatabase (talk • contribs) 00:28, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

How to update page to the latest gdp ppp percapita data?

You need to provide the links and indicate which changes you want to replace. (CC) Tbhotch™ 23:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

2020–21 Malaysian political crisis

Malaysia is undergoing a political crisis where the position of the Prime Minister is currently being disputed since few weeks ago, with the Parliament sessions being disrupted in the last session. This is a tyranny which did not happen in the history of Malaysia. Anyone can just try to google the keywords: "muhyiddin, malaysia" and there are plentiful of news about it.

Here is a link to a comment article published TODAY: https://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/586958

Therefore, I am trying to update the infobox but it has already been reverted for the second time. I am NOT vandalising the page and I also do not wish to start an edit war.

Other references:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/malaysia-cabinet-pledges-full-support-pm-muhyiddin-following-umno-withdrawal-2020041

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3142516/malaysias-parliament-chaos-pm-muhyiddin-yassin-refuses-allow

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3143335/malaysias-political-crisis-pm-muhyiddin-yassin-postpones

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Malaysia-in-transition/Muhyiddin-cornered-as-UMNO-formally-tells-king-it-drops-support

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021/08/04/impossible-for-muhyiddin-to-still-command-majority-support-in-dewan-rakyat-say-opposition-mps

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/pm-muhyiddin-says-vote-confidence-him-will-be-held-parliament-september

https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-malaysia-cabinets-3587b8100101773c65714a5a272df9a1

Inohome (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

These sources do not support describing the government as "tyranny" or adding "dysfunctional" as a key descriptor of parliament. Such descriptions would be WP:RECENTISM, in addition to introducing potential neutrality concerns. If the Malaysian government becomes consistently described as a tyranny by secondary sources, that description could be added here, but at the moment that is not the case. CMD (talk) 13:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2021

Hi, I would like you to make an update on Malaysia Ethnic Group Percentage in First Quater 2021. My source is from MyCensus, Malaysia Department Of Statistic. Here is the source and please change and update. Thank you. https://www.mycensus.gov.my/index.php/125-newsletter-infographics/343-infographics#latest-infographic

Please update Malaysia Etnic Group Percentage. This is the source https://www.mycensus.gov.my/index.php/125-newsletter-infographics/343-infographics#latest-infographic Lisde5567 (talk) 08:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Done, CMD (talk) 14:08, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Images

There are a number of areas on this page where the images are causing WP:Sandwiching. I removed a couple from the main Demographics section and the religion subsection, but they were readded without explanation. Economy is another area with sandwiching. I removed the Chinese Malaysian/Bumiputera image as it is quite old and focuses only on those groups, and the mosque image as it is decorative compared to the pie chart. From Economy, I would propose removing the generic port image. CMD (talk) 04:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2021

Nxmnjr09 (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok Nxmnjr09 (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:52, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2021

Official Language in Malaysia is Malay not Malaysian. Malayan Law (talk) 06:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Both names have been used for the standard, please see the language section. CMD (talk) 07:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC).
Follow the Malaysia Federal Constitution, not the netizen's standard. Kititto (talk) 02:27, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I from Malaysia, I know that both is use but "malaysian" is not official name, according to malaysia government official name is Malay & malaysian is not official name https://www.malaysia.gov.my/portal/content/30118, Malaysian is only using for some Malaysian citizen not official use for education at Malaysia. Malayan Law

According to Malaysian language: "The Malaysian language (Malay: bahasa Malaysia) [...] is the name regularly applied to the standardized form of Malay language used in Malaysia (as opposed to the variety used in Indonesia, which is referred to as the "Indonesian" language). (CC) Tbhotch™ 15:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
"Malay language" is Malay language, never refer to any other language, no matter how it evolve throughout historical timeline. Kititto (talk) 02:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

What I already say that only use for some nitizen, articles 152 is said "Malay" (Bahasa Melayu) is official language not "Malaysian" (Bahasa Malaysia). Please using official name. According of Malaysian language ISO639-3 code for zsm it say "Standard Malay" not "Malaysian". "Malaysian" only use for some of nitizen in Malaysia not official name. Malayan Law (talk) 05:16, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

totally agree. Kititto (talk) 02:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Malaysia is no longer 13 state

please cite evidence before adding the word "13 states". Kititto (talk) 05:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring

Editors engaged in a dispute should reach consensus or pursue dispute resolution rather than edit war. Kititto (talk) 05:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

There is one in the article, and a myriad available through a simple search. CMD (talk) 10:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Population needs to be updated with the latest 2020 census stats

2020 census was released last month by Department of Statistics Malaysia, thought we might need to edit the population. Don't have the link to the census right now but it should be on DOSM's website through their E-Statistik portal (that you need to register; only Malaysian citizens can). Same needs to be done for other Malaysian city/town/district/place article too. Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu editors take note too. Fazley01 (talk) 08:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Description of capital(s) of Malaysia

Should Kuala Lumpur also be described as the "constitutional" capital, in the infobox? According to the Constitution of Malaysia and according to the article describing Putrajaya, Kuala Lumpur is the sole constitutionally-enshrined capital. (i.e. I'm suggesting that the text be something like "Kuala Lumpur (ceremonial, constitutional and legislative)). Aplaice (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

It would be good to have a source with similar descriptions. None were added when these labels were applied, and I'm unconvinced Putrajaya should be placed higher in the infobox. CMD (talk) 07:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominal GDP & GDP per Capita

The Nominal GDP and GDP per Capita should be updated according to the latest projected data by IMF.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ASEAN_countries_by_GDP Afiqesyraf (talk) 06:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Still GA Class?

How is this article GA class? I'm trying to fix a few issues. But its marred by many issues; many sections are less sourced, many too large, almost the entirety of the article has old data etc. Stuntneare (talk) 11:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

It's GA class because it was previously evaluated as such. I would be interested to know which sections you feel are too large, as the article as a whole is 58kb, which while long, is within guidelines. Old data is a common issue. Regarding your edits, I have not looked through them all, but is the removed information present on subpages? Also unsure where some of the claims of repetition come from, eg. the borders don't seem to be elsewhere in the body. CMD (talk) 11:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
@Chipmunkdavis: The bulk of the article's sources date all the way back to 2011. That's over a decade ago. I trimmed off some excess from a few sections, and split two new sections from the demographics section: health and education. Government and politics and the biodiversity section are definitely very large.
I am not sure about the trimmed data being present in sub-sections, although most of them were a decade-old. About the repetition, I removed a few sentences from the Geography section, as they were already stated in the lead. Secondly, I removed a sentence from the government and politics section, due to it being present in the history section. There is also some recentism in the last para of the history section. The entire economy section is very ill-sourced. Stuntneare (talk) 11:37, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
There shouldn't be anything in the lead that isn't in the article body, the lead is meant to be pure repetition. If you're looking to make the article shorter, splitting subsections is a bad idea, as split sections invite expansion. Would you mind checking subarticles before removing information, to make sure it is present at the level it is due? CMD (talk) 11:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

In recent changes, I remain unconvinced by the separation of a human rights subsection from the governance subsection. Twice so far some material has moved back, which shows how the material in question is entwined with the wider picture, and the current section still delves into direct political implications such as the Anwar trials. Even with this material, the section is very short. Given the opening statement of this discussion on overly long sections, creating a new short subsection seems like a backwards step given short subsections tend to be magnets for expansion. CMD (talk) 13:18, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Topics such as LGBT, capital punishment and human/sexual trafficking aren't really related to how the government functions. It's important that a distinction is made so as to provide a more coherent means of understanding about where the country stands in or has acted for such topics. I'm not really opposed to dropping Anwar Ibrahim's sodomy trials, but it has to be stated that they have been widely internationally known and notable outside of Malaysia due to the amount of accusations, convictions and jail terms he faced stretching for more than two decades all because he is a reformist, with responses and strong criticism by various human rights organizations about the motivations behind them. Homosexuality being illegal is what got Anwar into all these in the first place, which is a human rights issue. CaoNgo (talk) 19:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
What got Anwar into all this trouble was not homosexuality, but politics, as evidenced by that wikilink, which is a clear example of how these topics relate to the broader Politics section. Politics is not exclusively refined to just government function, if it the section would be greatly stripped down. CMD (talk) 01:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes it was political. However, in the eyes of the Malaysian government, police and prosecutors, it was homosexuality. They had to find a reason to convict him, and they chose that. As a result, he was indirectly imprisoned for political means, which is why it wasn't surprising that he was released from prison only after UMNO lost the 2018 general election. They are intertwined, the rights of homosexuality in Malaysia and its usage for political means when need be comes under the umbrella of human rights. This is why it's a subsection of government and politics and not its own section. CaoNgo (talk) 02:15, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Lots of things come under the umbrella of human rights, that doesn't mean there should be a subsection. CMD (talk) 02:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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