Talk:Prince Edward Island/Archive 1

Archive 1

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P.E.I. was the 7th, not 8th, province to enter Confederation. N.S., N.B., ON., P.Q., MB., and B.C. came before, while AB., SK., and N.L. came after. I've updated the information accordingly. - AJM

Can someone put a border around the flag so that its white doesn't blend into the background? -- Zoe

Done. --Brion

Thanks, the border looks good. -- Zoe

the polish page is killer! I am going to be translating some of it, and adding it to the english page Pellaken 07:13, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, new member here. I'm from PEI, I changed "build up" to "built-up" in the History section.

Hello, this is a guest here speaking. Just wondering if you can add Prince Edward Island's nickname and/or motto. Remember, every detail counts.

PEI is the Garden Province. Now to figure how to put this in the article!!! - Mike O

When and how did Prince Edward Island become a province? Nik42 01:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've added a paragraph to the History section explaining when PEI became a province Pburka 14:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Driving on Left side of road

An anon editor (24.137.96.155) removed the line saying that PEI vehicles drove on the left side till 1924 without justification. I investigated, and discovered it's probably true.

• [1] says "1920s"
• [2] cites the exact date of "1 May 1924"

I would say that this fact is probably true, and shoudln't be removed on a whim. — Fudoreaper 21:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, but it probably doesn't need to be said twice. I've removed the duplicate entry from the facts section. Pburka 04:23, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the sharp eye, Pburka. I didn't notice that the second entry was a duplicate. If you'll allow me to rant a bit here, THIS IS WHY I HATE EDITS WITHOUT SUMMARIES@!!@@ If the editor had said "remove duplicate fact", i would have known WHY it was removed, instead of seeing the baseless removal of an interesting fact. I almost wish the summary line weren't optional. Grrr... Anyway, i added the precise date into the line mentioning it. — Fudoreaper 12:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Page looks great!

Hi there, I am a user from Prince Edward Island. I just want to say that the page looks great and you can tell that there was a lot of work put into it.

I just added a little fact about the Island Waste Management Corporation and its role on Prince Edward Island. I got my information from the official Website about the IWMC, [3] J Dogg 16:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)J Dogg

Hey again, I just wanted to add another fact. When I was researching my history paper on the Seven Years' War, I came upon the name of Colonel Andrew Rollo. He was a subordinate of Major General Jeffery Amherst. He was in 1758, ordered to expel the remaining Acadians from, what is now P.E.I. I did some research on my own and discovered that in 1764, Samuel Holland, the British Surveyor named Rollo Bay after the Colonel.

My information is from "Empires At War: The Seven Years' War" by William H. Fowler Jr. published in 2005 by Walker & Company. ISBN: 0802714110 J Dogg 01:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)J Dogg

To whomever this concerns:

Stop adding non-sense to wikipedia. Some user(s)continue to add information about how P.E.I. was captured in 1758 by pirates looking for treasure. This is simply not true. Colonel Andrew Rollo was ordered by General Jeffery Amherst to capture what is now P.E.I. No pirates were involved in the capture of the island and there was no treasure. My sources are: 1. Fowler, William M. Empires at War: The French and Indian War and the Struggle For North America. Vancouver: Douglas & McIntyre Ltd., 2005

2. Warner, Oliver. With Wolfe to Quebec. Toronto: William Collins Sons and Company Ltd., 1972 ISBN 0002119420 J Dogg 15:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)J Dogg

"From away"

Just a word on non-Islanders being "from away" - born in central Canada, I have lived on the Island for several years and was not once said to be "from away." Just a reminder.

First of all, please sign your comments; it's not really a big deal to hit four tildes. Second, this isn't a "reminder", since you're not refreshing our memories of something we were informed of previously. It's a comment which would have been more helpful if there was a suggestion (if you think something on a Wikipedia article isn't accurate, instead of just pointing it out, you can explain how you think it would be improved, or edit it yourself (that's pretty much the whole point of Wikipedia). Third, your alleged anecdote is one example, an "exception to the rule". I have edited the article to say that Islanders often refer to non-Islanders in that way, which will hopefully satisfy your sense of accuracy. While I don't think the original phrasing was intended to be taken to mean that every non-Islander is always refered to as "from away" by every Islander, you apparantly took it as such. Any sweeping generalization like that is obviously inaccurate, so I added a modifier, and I think you'd be hard-pressed to prove that non-Islanders aren't often referred to in that way. - Ugliness Man 04:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

But he wouldn't be hard-pressed to prove that yours was an warrantedly snarky response to what must have appeared to be a reasonable comment. WP:Don't bite the newbies. Geoff NoNick 11:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

My mother was born in Nova Scotia and moved here in her teens and has lived on the Isalnd for seventy years. She married an Islander and raised a family of seven children here. She has been involved in many church and community organizations as a volunteer. She is often refered to as being 'from away' by Islanders who have known her as long as she's been here. - Stroback (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I removed the over from overrepresentation, it comes off as very judgemental instead of informative. JMK

As a person from Nova Scotia, I can affirm that here, people who are from other places are often referred to as being 'from away' too. It's not strictly just a PEI thing mostlymike

I think minerals for P.E.I should be added to its page, along with the animal it has. Every detail counts!!

Hi I am from "Far Away" My Great Grandfather (John McLeod) left Scotland In 1865 and disembarked in USA at Castle Garden 0n 14th December that year. His reported destination from the ships manifest Was Prince Edward Island. Family information is that he faught in the American Civil War. I can find no trace of him since this time. Did he settle? did he go to war? Is there any PEI records of this period that could throw some light on this? (Peter McKain )(peter.mckain@sky.com)

                        ~Baleigh~

Colonial Era article

Since PEI existed as a British colony before it was a Canadian province, I propose creating a new page about the British colony as a seperate entity (perhpas Prince Edward Island (colony)). This compares with Ontario and Upper Canada, BC and Colonial BC, or Newfoundland and Labrador and Dominion of Newfoundland. It doesn't mean that this article can't mention the history before 1867, but that the new article could go into much more depth. Kevlar67 20:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

On the term "Islander"

The term "Islander" tends to be applied to the population of the nearest island to any location. I don't believe it can uniquely applied to people from Prince Edward Island.

• I think that within Canada it is though, is it not? I've not heard the term applied to Canadians from any other province, only to those from the island. ? Justanothermutt 14:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Maps

{{reqmapin|Canada}} Hello everybody! Can anyone provide a slightly more detailed map than the map of Canada with a red circle around PEI? The map in place is fine for a generic reference, but I think another map with main cities, etc. would be a good addition. Moondoll 19:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

• i'm pretty new to wikipedia and although i've figured out basic edits, i'm not sure how to add an image somewhere... there's a map located at http://www.artsandcraftsnet.ca/images/maps/pe.gif that might be what you're searching for - if it is, perhaps you know how to add it in? :-) Justanothermutt 16:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

This map is not satisfactory because it has apparently not been released under a free license. It would also be nice to show the surrounding geographical context. -- Beland 22:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

There are quite a few maps at Commons:Category:Maps of Prince Edward Island. --Qyd (talk) 22:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The French one seems to be the best, I'm going to put that in and hopefully someone can modify it into English... 128.83.167.129 (talk) 21:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Pogee

I am convinced this is a hoax and will keep reverting the addition of "pogee' until someone can give a reference. Given the history of the user making the addition I doubt this will be given. Silverchemist 00:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone from University of New Brunswick keeps putting this back in. The only mention of an animal called a "Pogee" on the entire web is in this article or those that quote it. Unless it is a spelling mistake or an obsure local name, I believe this is a hoax. It is being propagated throughout the Web. Silverchemist 16:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

And again on October 10 with the justification "As dumb as this looks, its true". If it sounds dumb, then it needs more clarification and references. Nowhere else is there any mention of such an animal.

please add more facts on the government! we need more info! TANKS! (I hope anyway) oh and ad a little special sounding affects please!

Red Soil

Hello, I was just wondering why P.E.I has red soil? If someone could add this it would be great!

stephiesmyth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.163.24 (talk) 19:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

THE SLOGIN, ANIMAL, FLOWER AND TREE

P.E.I has a slogin wich is the small under the protection of the great. P.E.I has an animal wich is a blue jay. And a flower called the pink lady slipper.also a tree called North red oak tree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.28.205 (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Great article, just one issue

I think that this is a great article. I congratulate all the people who donated their time to making it. My only criticism is that it is stated that as of January 1, 2008 it is legal to sell canned carbonated beverages. This is not true. Just over a week ago (first week of March) a merchant in western PEI, had his shop raided and he had approximately 900 cases of canned pop confiscated. He is being charged for selling these items. Someone should remove the sentence in question. Rollo Bay 1758 (talk) 21:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Terminology

Hi. I've lived in PEI since 1983 and the term that "islanders" (PE Islanders that is) the term they use for those of us who don't have ancestry here is "PFA's" (People From Away) .. PFA ...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.112.4 (talk) 03:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Map change

I've given this article the same map all the other Canadian provinces & territories are using. PS- the previous map made PEI look like an independant country; even though it was used due to PEI's being so small within Canada. GoodDay (talk) 15:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, so maybe there should be a map of PEI then since that is the subject of the article and you cannot even see it on that map. DoubleBlue (Talk) 15:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm under pressure from Rab-k (from the article Scotland), to change the map. I explained to him the optical reasons for the previous map. GoodDay (talk) 16:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies. I'm not opposed to showing where the province is in relation to the rest of Canada but the image in the infobox should at least show the subject of the article. It's not visible at that perspective. I'm not involved in the Scotland dispute but it would be trivial to have a map that showed both Scotland and its location in relation to the UK. It is not so easy here. I think a broader discussion would be helpful here. DoubleBlue (Talk) 16:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

It's perfectly valid to include a map of PEI in the article, but the primary infobox map should depict its placement within Canada as a whole. Firstly, we need to have a consistent presentation across all provincial and territorial articles, and secondly, if the reader isn't already familiar with Canada it does them no good to see a map of PEI-only, if they still don't have a clue where it is in relation to other Canadian provinces. A PEI-specific map can certainly be included later in the article, but the map in the infobox does need to be the same map as other provincial and territorial infoboxes. Bearcat (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Congrats to you both; this was a quick resolution to the problem. The Canadian map at the top & PEI map later in the article. GoodDay (talk) 17:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I still think the image in the infobox on PEI should show PEI. It is invisible in Image:Prince Edward Island-map.png. In an article on a subject, the subject should be in the infobox, the relative position is secondary to that in importance. Anyway, I have attempted a new map that has a "zoom-in" segment for PEI. I don't have any fancy image software, so if someone can improve it, please replace it freely. DoubleBlue (Talk) 00:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

If you were proposing that we do the same for all thirteen Canadian provinces and territories, I'd probably agree with you. What I can't agree with is singling out PEI as being somehow the only province that deserves to have a map of the province in its head infobox rather than a location-within-Canada map. Bearcat (talk) 18:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise PEI is the only province that cannot be seen in the infobox. I think that we should replace them with maps of the province/territory. The point of images in infoboxes is to see an image of the subject; not its relation to other subjects. That can (and should) be done in other sections of the article. Of course, for most provinces and territories, it is quite visible in Canada as-a-whole maps and does fine double-duty showing both it and the position but not so for PEI. DoubleBlue (Talk) 22:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Coat of Arms

Something does not seem right with the coat of arms image. Someone able to fix this ? Lars 09:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Area details in Infobox

I have just noticed in the infobox on PEI that the total area (km²) given is less than the land area of the province. Could someone please verify the total area and land area and update the infobox. The only information I seem to be able to obtain details the total figure only. --MacTire02 (talk) 16:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Category:Provinces and territories of Canada vs. Category:Prince Edward Island

Category:Prince Edward Island is itself a category within Category:Provinces and territories of Canada. — Robert Greer (talk) 12:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

Prince Edwards Island is the official spelling of PEI. No other name needs to be used. It states on Please see WP:CANSTYLE/WP:PLACE that english is to be used in english articles. If a reader wants to know the french spelling it is stated in the first paragraph of every Provincial article, or there are over 500,000 french articles on french wikipedia. If french is needed in the infobox here then it should be in every Canadian geographic article infobox on wikipedia. Po' buster (talk) 14:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:CANSTYLE and WP:PLACE speak to what should or shouldn't be in the title of an article, not to what information should or shouldn't be provided in the body of the article. The infobox is part of the article body, not part of the title. You're free to raise the issue at WP:CANTALK if you wish to initiate a discussion of whether French names should be reflected in the infoboxes or not, but neither of these policies, as currently written, says that they can't be. Bearcat (talk) 22:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Translation of PEI to Scottish Gaelic

Would someone who knows Scottish Gaelic mind checking the Gaelic name for PEI. Or, alternatively, would anyone (Gaelic speaker or not) check the referenced citation for the translation (if one exists). I only know a few words of Scottish Gaelic (sadly prince, Edward and island are not amongst them), but the Gaelic name given for PEI ('Eilean a' Phrionnsa') doesn't seem to have the name 'Edward' in it - just (possibly) 'The Prince's Island'. Daicaregos (talk) 20:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Although this is noted in the body of the text, it is not referenced. If there is a Gaelic name for PEI it must be written down somewhere. Would someone check please, and add the reference to the article? Daicaregos (talk) 23:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Firefox

I don't know whether it's worth mentioning anywhere, but this Wikipedia article is featured on Firefox's start page (in Europe, at least): http://www.mozilla-europe.org/fr/firefox/ . Aridd (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

In Canada also, so it's probably worldwide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.127.7 (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Official languages

A recent undiscussed edit removed "Île-du-Prince-Édouard" from the info box, with the edit summary "PEI's official language is English". Although they do not specifically state the official languages of PEI, The Government of PEI say here that “English and French are the two official languages of Canada. Further, Statistics Canada here notes PEI as “Prince Edward Island / Île-du-Prince-Édouard” . Please advise any reason why the edit shouldn't be reverted. Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 08:17, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

If you believe PEI languages are English & French? then add French to the infobox official languages section & as well as the French version of PEI in the infobox heading. Both have to match. GoodDay (talk) 15:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, 2 official languages of Canada is exactly what the PEI Govt says. Stats Canada names all provinces with an English & French version name, as it's a Federal organization. What's your point? GoodDay (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

[www.ocol.clo.gc.ca/html/pei_ipe_e. php] shows the percentages. GoodDay (talk) 15:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what the official languages of PEI are. But then I didn't make any claims in an edit summary. Unless your claim that "PEI's official language is English" can be verified by a reliable source your edit should be reverted. Daicaregos (talk) 10:49, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, since there's 'no official language', my edit should stand. GoodDay (talk) 16:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

So now you claim there is no official language. If true, please provide a reliable source to verify that statement. The question now is (assuming your second statement is true): were you aware there is no official language when you made the statement "PEI's official language is English". Both statements cannot be true, and, of course, it is possible neither are true. I will revert the edit possibly made under a false statement until this confusion is cleared up. Daicaregos (talk) 18:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I waiting for you to provide a source for PEI's official languages as being English & French. Until those sources are produced, my edit should stand. GoodDay (talk) 18:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't work like that GoodDay, and you know it. You need to provide a reliable source to verify either of your conflicting statements. In the meantime please answer the question: were you aware there is no official language (assuming your second claim is true) when you made the statement "PEI's official language is English"? Daicaregos (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I thought PEI's official language was English, but apparently there's no official language. My edit is correct though, until you provide a source supporting English/French. GoodDay (talk) 18:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Apparently don't cut it. I reinstated the stable version that had been amended under a false claim. Please stop making false claims and/or claims you can't verify by reliable sources. Daicaregos (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I told ya, I can't verify that PEI has any official language, therefore as this is the English language Wikipedia, the English version 'only' must be in place. If you or anybody else can't verify English/French? then your keeping French there is being disruptive. GoodDay (talk) 18:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I do not recall you telling me that you "can't verify that PEI has any official language". Please provide the diff. Secondly, if you are accusing me of being disruptive, please take it to WP:AN/I. Daicaregos (talk) 19:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for someone to provide a source, to back the claim that English/French are PEI's official languages. GoodDay (talk) 19:04, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I checked the PEI Government official website [4] & there's no mention of official languages. Therefore, with that reliable source at hand, we should delete French from the infobox heading, as there's no official language & this is English language Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 19:43, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

This official site confirms that English and French are official languages in Prince Edward Island. [5]. Fred DeSoya (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I checked that site over yesterday & it doesn't state English & French as the provincial official langauges. GoodDay (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Did you read it? It is the "Statistics on official languages in Prince Edward Island". It goes on to say that English and French are official languages in Prince Edward Island. What more do you want? If you can't accept that I'll leave it for others to argue with you over it. Fred DeSoya (talk) 20:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

That's from the Federal government, though. GoodDay (talk) 20:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

So? Are you saying the Federal Government is untrustworthy? Or ignorant of what langauges are official in the province? -DJSasso (talk) 20:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

This isn't the article Canada, though. There's no PEI official language. GoodDay (talk) 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Have you just completely ignored the source and just repeated your stance? Fred DeSoya (talk) 20:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes I did, the Official Languages Act, which is for the whole country. GoodDay (talk) 20:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't mean the federal government doesn't know what the official languages are in the province. -DJSasso (talk) 20:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

So you suggesting we place English in Quebec's infobox offical languages section? GoodDay (talk) 20:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

No because they have a law specifically prohibiting english from being an official language. -DJSasso (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The name reflects the official names for the province; in Canada, that would mean English and French. Having an official provincial language is a different matter from listing the province's official name in each of the country's official languages. --Ckatz^chat_spy 20:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

In Canada yes, in PEI no. Over 90% of Islanders speak English. This English/French thing fits only with New Brunswick. GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

You are missing the point, a province can officially have a name in both languages without having two official languages. The two are two different matters. -DJSasso (talk) 20:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Not so. The infobox represents the article topic. Having PEI in French creates the erroneus impression that the province has 2 official languages. GoodDay (talk) 20:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

No it gives the correct impression that it has two names officially. -DJSasso (talk) 20:37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not talkin' about Canada, just PEI. So far, nobody has provided a source that says PEI has an official language. GoodDay (talk) 20:40, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

At this point I think you are just ignoring everybody. The Government of Canada inacted legislation declaring the names of new provinces, in doing so each province got a name in French and English. This is a completely seperate matter from whether or not PEI has an official language. -DJSasso (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you DJSasso on everthing you say above. I would also say that just because Prince Edward Island don't mention an official language it's because it's already mentioned elsewhere. [6] Fred DeSoya (talk) 20:57, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagee with the Infobox criteria suggestion. What the federal government did is irrelevant here, this is the PEI article. English is the overwhelming majority usage of 8 of the provinces & 2 of the territories. The infobox headings should reflect this fact. GoodDay (talk) 21:04, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The number of people speaking a language is a complete red herring. I have shown good evidence (no matter if you don't like it) that English and French are indeed official languages in Prince Edward Island. I also agree with DJSasso in that you ignore everone who posts here. You just appear to be reading from a script that you are unwilling to divert from. This is going nowhere so I shall leave you all to finish this, err, discussion. Fred DeSoya (talk) 21:16, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

You've only provided Canadian sources. Nobody is disputing Canada official languages. We haven't had any sources, where the PEI legislature (for example) passed a law stating English/French are PEI's official languages. Until such a source is provided, I think English 92.7% & French 4.3%, is a darn good indicator of 'English only' for the infobox heading. GoodDay (talk) 21:21, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The heading is not about official languages, its about official names of the province. The province has two official names by law. Stop ignoring that. It has nothing to do with what the official languages of the province is. -DJSasso (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagree, 'cuz this is the English language Wikipedia. Anyways, I'm done with this discussion, yas can do as you wish. GoodDay (talk) 13:31, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

As Djsasso says, the province has two official names. Whether PEI has official languages, or not has not been verified. I am happy for both the English and French names of the province to be shown at the head of the infobox, and for the official language to remain stated as just English - unless and until it is verified as something different. Daicaregos (talk) 21:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter anymore. GoodDay (talk) 05:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

To you, perhaps. In my view, it is important to express the explicit consensus achieved here. Daicaregos (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I would have thought if there has been no verification of an official language for PEI then there should be no official language in the infobox. I go back to my source from the Federal Government saying that English and French are official in PEI, though I'm unsure of the backing that would get. I do agree that both French and English should be used for the heading. Fred DeSoya (talk) 17:41, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I ment it doesen't matter, do whatcha's want. GoodDay (talk) 01:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Spud Island

Prince Edward Island is also known by the nickname: "Spud Island".

The article should be edited to include this nickname.

72.82.177.102 (talk) 23:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Island Games

In light of comments elsewhere that PEI has left the Island Games Association, I have removed the reference to the Games from the main page -- Simon Cursitor (talk) 10:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Different time, different history

Isle Saint-Jean or Isle Saint John was French territory until the signing of the treaty of Paris in 1763. All the inhabitants or Acadians were removed and deported, and later when it was renamed Prince Edward Island, a new history began. Take for example the thirteen colonies, they have a separate artcle because it was still not the United States until the treaty of Paris in 1783. Upper Canada has a separate article, and it was not merged with Ontario's article. When you're writing about that time period, it's nice not to have to write Prince Edward Island slash Isle Saint-Jean everytime you write it.--Varing (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Demographics don't add up

"According to the 2001 Canadian Census,[26] the largest ethnic group consists of people of Scottish descent (38.0%), followed by English (28.7%), Irish (27.9%), French (21.3%), German (4.0%), and Dutch (3.1%) descent. Prince Edward Island is mostly a white community and there are few visible minorities. Almost half of respondents identified their ethnicity as "Canadian.""

The numbers provided add up to 123%... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.179.253 (talk) 17:23, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Reordering

I have ordered and grouped the sections in a way that seems consistent with a majority of the Province articles. I intend to do the same with the other 9 plus territories unless someone disputes this. Verne Equinox (talk) 23:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Geographical area

According to List of Canadian provinces and territories by area, which cites Statistics Canada as its source, PEI's area is 5660km², yet this article's (unsourced) infobox gives it as 5683.91km². There's also an unexplained difference in the infobox between the figures for total area and total land area. Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 05:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC). hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.122.30 (talk) 13:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

"Warmest beaches" ?

Warmest beaches north of the carolinas? is this a joke? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:468:C80:4391:58AE:B370:D59E:C19B (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I just now removed the sentence "PEI has the warmest beaches north of the Carolinas" from the climate section. Firstly what is "warmest beaches" supposed to mean? Sand temperature? Air temperature? Water temperature? Secondly, many places north of the Carolinas are often very hot in summer; in New York State in the summer during a heat wave the beaches can sometimes be unbearably hot -- in the mid 90s Fahrenheit, (35 Celsius). Invertzoo (talk) 21:06, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Simsimi222

I'm kind of new to wikipedia so let me know if I'm out of line. But Simsimi222 seems to be running amok on this page. What do I need to do if I want to try and prevent someone from making edits? Cameron Ehteshami (talk) 17:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Unturned

The new game Unturned has a main map that is a recreation of this island. Is that notable enough to put in a trivia section? 75.48.209.234 (talk) 01:56, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:TRIVIA, trivia sections are discouraged. Regardless, I don't see how it would be notable. Hwy43 (talk) 04:44, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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Language

There's more recent census data. I can't make sense of how to make it nice like they have there but if someone could update that'd be nice! There have been changing demographics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodobood (talk • contribs) 19:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

You can see in the link here that the 2016 census data will start to be released on February 8, 2017. I'm not sure what it is that you have seen? Air.light (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Probably a definition question

Consider the sentence "It is the only subnational jurisdiction of North America outside the Caribbean to have no mainland territory, and the only such jurisdiction to have no land boundary."

This probably hinges of what "subnational jurisdiction of North America" means. What about [Saint Pierre and Miquelon]? It must also be restricted to first level (state, province, or similar) and not smaller subdivisions (such as counties, parishes or the like) or their would likely be many. Ferritecore (talk) 01:47, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• My guess is that the person who wrote "subnational" meant "at the level directly below national" and not "at all levels below national", though I agree that the current wording can be construed different ways. This is one of those "so fix it" moments. Do you think you can improve the article? Do you think you can phrase this better? Go ahead and give it a try! KDS4444 ^(talk) 16:32, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

"adventurous Victorian families" quote

User Curly Turkey tagged this text as needing attribution:

During the 19th century the colony of Prince Edward Island began to attract "adventurous Victorian families looking for elegance on the sea. Prince Edward Island became a fashionable retreat in the nineteenth century for British nobility".

The source provided for the quote was the old Collections Canada website which was shut down in 2007 (thanks Harper), but the archived version linked was broken and just redirected to the old landing page. I did find an older archive here, but it's not useful, the quote is not in that source, so I've removed it from the article. It should be noted that this quote cannot be attributed to Samuel Holland as he died in 1801.

The archived source provides a citation to a book, Canada's Smallest Province: A History of PEI, published in 1973/1991 by Francis W.P. Bolger. I don't see the text available online but the Confed Centre Library has 14 copies. I'll go down there some time in the next couple weeks and see if I can find the quote, or anything else useful. In the meantime please leave this out of the article as it may be a copyright violation. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:52, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Puffery.

PEI is the only subnational jurisdiction of North America outside the Caribbean to have no mainland territory, and the only such jurisdiction to have no land boundary, as the U.S. state of Hawaii is a part of Oceania, not North America." This bit of puffery consists of pointless trivia, constrained by arbitrary limitations and irrelevant side-facts. It's really not noteworthy that someone can come up with aimless puffery to promote a province and some ridiculous minutiae. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B032:6E36:AD92:2EF:F3F7:FA75 (talk) 23:04, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Removed as unsourced trivia. Vsmith (talk) 23:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Cape Breton Island

The section History subsection British colony says, "Nearby Cape Breton Island also had a large Scottish population, but was not its own colony, forming part of the province of Nova Scotia." In fact, by our article, Cape Breton Island was a separate colony from 1784 to 1820. I have inserted a comment to this effect, which I hope will not remain long, because we need some dates to get a grip on here. J S Ayer (talk) 04:44, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Have removed both the digression and the invisible counter-remark. J S Ayer (talk) 01:55, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

This article disagrees with itself concerning the Province of Prince Edward Island!

This article disagrees with itself concerning the Province of Prince Edward Island!
In one place it says the 7th province of Canada, and in another place it says the 8th.
Naming some of the definitely earlier ones, we have Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Manitoba (5th).
Going in the opposite direction in order, the newest ones are Newfoundland & Labrador (10th), Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia (1871). Canada was once a discontiguous country, just like the U.S.A., with British Columbia, California (1850), Oregon (1859), and Nevada (1864) separated from the rest - until Saskatchewan and Alberta were admitted in 1905.
Thus, Prince Edward Island is the only province left over, joining the Confederation in 1873, and apparently in 6th or 7th place. (The three youngest provinces are definitely "Newfoundland & Labrador", Alberta, and Saskatchewan, and so PEI definitely cannot be the 8th.)
I was born in Tennessee, most definitely the 16th State of the U.S.A. in 1796, no question about it. Tennessee was preceded by Vermont (1791) & Kentucky (1792) and followed by Ohio (1805) and Louisiana (1812). 47.215.188.197 (talk) 04:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Confusing, but correct. PEI was the 7th Province, but the 8th Province or Territory. Not all parts of Canada are provinces. The NWT joined in 1870. See Canadian Confederation Meters (talk) 06:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

The politics/government section is need to be bit rewritten to be up-to-date

In the past few days, after the 2019 election has almost politically change there province, due of the Green Party of Prince Edward Island has knocked the Liberal Party of the Island by take their seats, along with the Island’s PCs to 6 seats overall. And has needs to be bit rewritten to be stay informed after the then-recent new fact is formed.

But for no reason these two users are mostly undoing my examples because in their narrow mind view, it’s ‘fine’... which isn’t and another one is being overdramatic with a single word is somehow ruining a sentence, regarding it needs to stay on to date after their election. Chad The Goatman (talk) 07:59, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Traditionally, politics in the province have been dominated by the Liberal Party and the Progressive Conservative Party since the province joined Confederation. From the 2015 election, the Green Party of Prince Edward Island gained a small representation in the Legislative Assembly, and in the 2019 election gained an additional six seats, and are expected to form the Official Opposition when the legislative assembly convenes. Looks up-to-date to me: the province used to be a Liberal-Conservative duopoly, until the Greens broke through in 2019. What seems to be the problem? — Kawnhr (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Technically sure for your view... but the wording isn't reflecting with the post-2019 PEI general election's political landscape, and almost sounded coming out as nothing entirely much changed after the 2019 election. Nobly the word "Traditionally" should changed into "Historically" as a example. Chad The Goatman (talk) 21:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

How is it not reflective of the current landscape? It notes the Green breakthrough and that they're the incoming Official Opposition. I'm not sure what else even can be said, since it's been a mere five days since the election and none of the incoming figures have been sworn in yet. As for the adverb: "historically" and "traditionally" are largely interchangeable, and while I can see the former being a slight improvement, the current use of the latter hardly strikes me as a grievous error— change it if you like. But I'm not seeing what needs to be rewritten. — Kawnhr (talk) 01:45, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay I guess, and I will changed the word "Traditionally" into "Historically". If you want me like too. Chad The Goatman (talk) 02:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Farsi is not an english word

An editor (User:Meters) has been engaged in edit wars in this article over the word "Farsi". This is not a formal english word any more than "Nipponese" is. It may exist in some dictionaries which may also contain the words "Fuck" and "Nipponese" but this does not qualify as a standardization of the word, especially in an encyclopedia article. If it were, then it would be equally proper to change all instances of the word "coitus" with "fucking" - I hope this gets the point across. If you still don't understand, please look up the word endonym. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xoltron (talk • contribs) 08:05, May 3, 2019 (UTC)

Nope, Farsi is defined by the Oxford Dictionary as "The modern Persian language, a member of the Iranian branch of the Indo-European family written in Arabic script. Also called Persian". Cambridge just says "the Persian language". You'll need to provide sources saying that it isn't an English word. Doug Weller talk 11:47, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

And I'll add that the word is actually used in the Canadian Government demographics report that we use as a source. Meters (talk) 20:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Restored to source wording.https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=ER&Code1=1110&Geo2=PR&Code2=01&Data=Count&SearchText=1110&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=3--Moxy 🍁 22:43, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

"Farsi" is not an endonym, and it is not informal/colloquial. You can easily verify this for yourself with a corpus; Wikipedia articles don't do that, obviously, as it would be original research, but it might be helpful for you if you don't believe the dictionaries. --bonadea contributions talk 09:43, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

It is an endonym - again, using the word "Farsi" in an english language article is like using the word "Nipponese" in an English language article. It may be a dictionary word, but all it really does is confuse people. Xoltron (talk) 20:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

All great stuff....but we are simply going to regurgitate what the sources says....and in this case both are present.--Moxy 🍁 23:17, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Using Farsi in English is the same as using Espanol in English. It's incorrect. Farsi is the native word for Persian. Please refer to the article below which gives a very good explanation. http://www.payvand.com/news/05/dec/1063.html. Sookie7 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:57, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

This issue has already been settled on the Wikipedia page for the Persian language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language There is a section that specifically refers to this issue "Persian language name in English". The consensus is that the word Persian should be used, and not Farsi. I don't believe this page is the appropriate forum, as the Persian language page would be the correct place. Sookie7 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:45, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sookie7: Assuming you are the ip address who made this edit to the page the first time, you just stepped over the WP:3RR brightline for edit-warring. I strongly advise you to self-revert. Simonm223 (talk) 09:27, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

• The source that this information is based on, the Census itself, specifically writes: "Persian (Farsi)". They do not indicate (or I could not find it) what their definition of "Persian (Farsi)" is, so any analysis we do here on whether Statistics Canada meant "all speakers of a Persian language" or "all speakers of modern Persian also known as Farsi" or "all speakers of the Farsi dialect of Persian" (whatever that is) or whatever other supplementary analysis anyone wants to do, is original research and not allowed. We must use the definition that the source used. As for which article to link to, Farsi language is a redirect to Persian language, so edit-warring over which one to use is entirely redundant and disruptive. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:19, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Population

PEI does not have the smallest population! It has more than all the territories put together. Happysand (talk) 21:01, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Happysand, the article specifies it has the smallest population among the provinces, not the territories. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh sry I thought it meant both provinces and territories. My mistake. Happysand (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)