Talk:Rīgas Satiksme

Review

You requested a review for this article on WikiProject Latvia, so here are my comments. I edited the article and changed "Latvian city of Riga" to "Latvian capital Riga" to accent subjects notability and converted namings in route list to Latvian, because in this case some of the namings spelled without diactrics were misleding and even rude in Latvian, there are many namings which could be translated, but there was only one translation therefore I translated it back for consistency. I think that perhaps these lists shouldn't be here at all - they make all article list-like and don't provide useful information. Now as for what I didn't change - "Buses are by far the most modern mode of public transport in the city, with a variety of models in service, including many newly delivered articulated and rigid vehicles built by Solaris." since the stinky Ikarus Buses have been employed for years it is hard to believe that they really are all gone, it would be nice if you could provide reference for that. BTW Mercades buses are also used. "Trams are one of the principle modes of transport in Riga, with Rīgas Satiksme operating almost 300 units on 11 routes across the city" How can trams be principle if there are only eleven routes ? "The method of fare collection on public transport in Riga has traditionally been by conductor, and indeed this practise is still widespread on buses and trolleybuses operated by Rīgas Satiksme. On the city's trams, conductors have been largely phased out, and now passengers are required to pay their fare directly to the driver." Conductor is not a tradition, this was introduced well after independence, Rīgas Satiksme now lacks employees therefore they have established this "driver-conductor" thing, which can be expirienced in buses and trolleybuses as well. Supposely tram tickets can be purchased in newsstands. "As a result, it is necessary for passengers to cross the road in front of often erratic Latvian drivers when boarding or alighting tramcars" you should rewrite this sentence - to call drivers "erratic" is POV and also I'm not sure if it is correct to designate all drivers as Latvians (How do you know what is their nationality ?) "however the legality of 167 standing passengers on the city's Tatra T3 tramcars is questionable" what you mean "legality" ? "Finally, Rīgas Satiksme are not issued with uniforms and it can therefore be difficult to distinguish employees from passengers." this is not true they have uniforms, rather they are not required to wear them. Also you should give some references concerning safety. You should review wikilinks to see where they leed - many link to disambiguation pages and you could name references (e.g. Interesting facts about public transport in 2005 not http://www.rigassatiksme.lv/index.php?sadala=598&id=489 ). Hope you'll find this usefull ---- Xil/talk 18:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Response to review

Many thanks for reviewing this article. I have made some adjustments as reccomended in your view, however I have left certain things unchanged. The issue you raised about trams being used on only 11 routes puzzled me slightly, if you read the sentence you will notice it states that trams are merely ONE OF the principle modes of transport as opposed to THE principle mode of transport, and I have therefore left this sentence as it is. I have adjusted the section on uniforms, however the point remains valid that it is difficult to distinguish between staff and passengers, since the vast majority of employees do not wear uniforms. Finally, I believe the route lists are useful in that they provide the reader with information about the extent of the public transport network ---- User:LanarkLiberal/talk 00:04 14 June 2007 (UTC)

O.K. It's just that you don't mention that any other method would also be principle. Majoroty of conductors I have seen do wear uniforms, though I haven't realy paid attention to this lately. The conductors didn't appear right after independence, bun in late 90s, sorry I didn't make myself clear - look in company's homepage under About us>History>Buses/Trams and trolleybuses it gives detailled information---- Xil/talk 10:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

OK thanks for that, I will check that out. You are probably in a better position to comment on the uniforms, however during my time in Riga I used the public transport network very frequently and didn't see a single employee (buses or trams, drivers or conductors) wearing a uniform.---- User:LanarkLiberal/talk 12:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I have theory - it has been extreamly hot to Latvian mesures since April so they don't wear uniforms to keep cool. This would be suitable explanation if you were in Riga recently. I also asked to my acquaintance who expresed same oppinion and confirmed that lately most of them indeed don't wear uniforms. I have some pictures you could use in the article, so I uploaded them to commons - Image:18trolejbuss.jpg and Image:Galapunkts.jpg---- Xil/talk 16:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

As of trams - there are no conductors since March 2007, but you need to clip your ticket in the Punch. There are controllers, which you probably didn't met, because they aren't many, who checks your ticket and if you haven't bought it you need to pay fine for that. As Xil already mentioned - you can buy tickets also in newsstands and you can buy them from the driver only because this is new system, so there's also no special case for money. So and if they aren't selling tickets they cabin doors are closed and possibility of assault is also smaller. As of conductors - they allways have bags with tickets and special license with conductor name and picture attached, so that's the way how you should find them. Btw there are special seats for conductors, so you can wait until conductor comes to his seat. Gragox 19:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Livery and regional express buses

Wouldn't it be more relevant to add separate section on that rather than three subsections ? Most of transportation, regardless of type is blue-white (which is color of Riga flag) and bears Riga coat of arms on front, and has one or more Rīgas Satiksme logo (on front and on right side I think, but I'm not entirely sure). Vehicles, that are not painted in these colors, may still be in their original color and can have extensive advertisement on sides. I've never seen regional bus in these colors, they come in variety of colors and are not yelow, these small yelow buses are used in inter city "express" routes -- Xil/talk 09:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it's not that relevant, but "Rīgas Satiksme" isn't a state owned company - it's owned by the municipality of Riga.

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I've added the rationale ~~Xil...sist! 16:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Track gauge

What is the track gauge? Peter Horn User talk 13:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Outdated: Prices still given in Lats

I added the Outdated tag. This article still gives the prices in Lats despite Latvia having joined the Euro since 1. Jan 2014. --Full steam (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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