Talk:Ruth Glass

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Resolved. MLauba ^(Talk) 11:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedy deleted because it is based on the ODNB but is a susbtantially modified version with anoth source being used. A high correlation may be due to titles of works being included --Msrasnw (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article - although not in my opinion a copyright violation has been deleted - discussion has taken place here on my talk page:User_talk:Msrasnw. But I have started a new version here: Talk:Ruth Glass/Temp. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 00:32, 20 May 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Defense against claim of copyright violation[edit]

The little article at deletion had only 6 sentences.

1. "Ruth Glass (born Ruth Adele Lazarus with a married name Durant) (1912-1990) was a German born British sociologist. "

I don't think this is a problem is it?

2. "Among her works were Watling, a study of a new cottage estate constructed in Hendon, near London, but it is perhaps for her Urban Sociology in Great Britain (1955) that she is most known. "

The line in the thing you mention - which is "Watling, a study of a new London County Council cottage estate in Hendon, on the outskirts of London, published in 1939, established her reputation as a social scientist."

This is clearly different!

3 "Glass believed that sociological research should have an influence on policy and assist in causing progressive social change."

This is perhaps the most problematic line this is based on this line " Ruth Glass opposed the idea of research for its own sake, believing that the purpose of sociological research was to influence government policy and bring about social change, and to this end she involved herself in political debate."

4 "Her work was a contribution in this direction."

This I made up based on my knowledge of her work

5 "Other later publications included her edited London, Aspects of Change (1964), London's Housing Needs (1965) and Housing in Camden (1969)."

I don't think this is a problem.

" 6 "A lasting legacy is the term gentrification a term she invented to describe the processes by poor were squeezed out of parts London and creating upper-class ghettos."

This is based on this "She invented the term gentrification , giving warnings about the squeezing of the poor out of London and the creation of upper-class ghettos."

I don't think this is a problem. "squeezing out" and upper class ghettos are from Glass not the ODNB author Anne Pimlott Baker

The cited sources were:

Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: Ruth Adele
Ruth Glass Obituary in The Times 9th March 1990.
http://www.optimism-modernity.org.uk/documents/contact1946.html

(Msrasnw (talk) 09:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC))[reply]

The issue with close paraphrasing is that in many cases, it is in the eye of the beholder - or conversely, very often, we find editors writing up text in good faith convinced that they moved away significantly from the source. Yet to the reviewer, coming to the text and the alleged source without any prior knowledge, very often, the tone, the rhythm, the sequence and the wording of the source remains very present in the contribution.

And so it was in this case - the original article concerned me, the rewrite resolved these concerns. Thank you for your patience and your willingness to start over. I'm collapsing this entire discussion as no longer relevant to the further development of the article. MLauba ^(Talk) 11:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]