Talk:St. Gallen

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Buildings, Culture/Sightseeing NPOV[edit]

Sentences like this one have no place in Wikipedia:

"Old Town: The historic center looks as if it had been bombed in WWII, which was not the case. Still, some historic buildings remain, most of them being abused by commercial purpose. "

Also, I would like the author to explain the relevance of "Bank Wegelin, the oldest bank in Switzerland, founded 1741 mainly on slavery-based profit. " or remove it.

194.209.131.192 20:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing this out. It was added over two months ago by 81.62.170.119. I removed the whole Old Town part, since the Old Town is not a building. And I removed the slavery part from the Wegelin section. ---Sluzzelin 21:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


However, the relevance of Bank Wegelin as a historic building is generally questionable. From the architectonic point of view, the structure has no extraordinary significance. And, by the way, the house isn't called "Bank Wegelin" but "Nothveststein" and was only built in 1802.


St Gallen has quite a brewing (beer) centre. I was just wondering where the information belongs in this article? Newtonspeed 07:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Correct Spelling: St.Gallen[edit]

Now, that is something really annoying to see: The only correct spelling of St.Gallen is St.Gallen. This holds for its Standard German as well as its international name. (Its local name in local language (Swiss German) is 'Sanggale' and the English name is actually Saint Gall. But that is all off topic). Now that's actually all I have to say. The misspelling of 'St. Gallen' instead of St.Gallen might appear neglectable to some people that couldn't tell the difference between Sweden and Switzerland anyway. But it is strikingly ignorant, just plain wrong (Who would say Man Hattan?) and an insult for anybody who can find St.Gallen on a map. Such flaws are particularly unacceptable for an encyclopedia. We don't like that criticism about a flawed wikipedia now, do we? So let's clean up that mess. Tang Wenlong (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I undid your changes, since this needs to be discussed first. Actually, both writings are allowed and common, swiss journals, namely the St. Galler Tagblatt (the journal in St. Gallen) even spell it in both ways. Most modern texts use a space nowadays. I'll be looking out for a specific rule when to use which writing, but I'm almost 100% sure that both are correct. --PaterMcFly (talk) 20:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It should stay as is, Duden (the reference for German spelling) has always a space after "St.", so I think we should keep with that where the german name is used. --PaterMcFly (talk) 20:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you see, of course Duden sais so, after all that's the standard rule. I'm native in German, so I know about that very well. But as you have noticed by now we talk here about a proper name. If the city calls itself 'St.Gallen' then it doesn't need to ask anyone or any dictionary whether that complies with general rules... It's an exception. And that has so many people getting confused. You're quite right, even the Tagblatt is not consistent... It's a shame. One that wikipedia should not share. Tang Wenlong (talk) 21:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note: Seems you are familiar with German. I hope this means that you also know that Standard German in Switzerland uses different spelling than Standard German in Germany (cf. BE/AE). This has no direct impact on the current issue, though, as any city in Germany doesn't need to ask Duden for approval either. Tang Wenlong (talk) 21:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Before changing it once more (and breaking links), would you provide us with a reference for your change? -- User:Docu
Actually, yes. I'm familiar with german. Actually even, I live in said city. And been living here for all my life. So I know that there's confusion about the name. But the problem is, that I don't know who might even finally declare what the proper writing is. Since not only the city has this name, but also the Canton, there's not even one government, that could decide on it's own. The Swiss constitution, for example, uses "St. Gallen" as the name of the canton, where as you noticed, the city government usually uses the short form. I think it's just impossible to say what's right or wrong here, noticing that the city has a history that goes back 1400 Years, a time, where barely anybody could even spell. --PaterMcFly (talk) 10:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If there is no reference for changing it to St.Gallen, we should leave it where it is (St. Gallen). Spelling in the article should be consistent with its title. -- User:Docu
I'm ok with the fact that we should write the names in the correct way. I have the feeling that Wikipedia, with this kind of problems (i.e. discussions about "Zurich" and "Zürich" in English) loses what is important: the rule of using the "most common use" is probably a good thing in a way, but an Encyclopedia should not stick to "what's the most common" but only to "what is right and correct." Therefore, I've heard that the official name in English is Saint Gall. (with no Gall-en). Then, the main problem is that people from the location write an article about it. And of course, the official names of the cities in Switzerland tends then to be "germanised" in every single hectic way. Berne with no -e, Biel instead of Bienne, Graubünden instead of The Grisons, Zug instead of Zoug (the second spelling is closer to the French and German pronounciation that "Zug" used by CNN but not by the BBC) etc, etc... I really think that this germanisation of the correct and official translations is a bad thing for Wikipedia. But what can I do? Nothing, as people who chose to write the articles are "locals" and therefore, they impose "their" point of views about what's the "most common use". With absolutely no respect to any official translation. This is kind of happening only for Swiss-german cities's articles and information. You won't find "Roma" in English neither "Praha" in English. Now, I've heard that even the fact that sometimes one looks only to an official source such as the Swiss Government's administration webpages (where more than 50% of workers are...swiss-german so...well ;) - and even there, where you can find Zurich with no umlaut, you will find someone who will tell you that "in Zurich, the english speakers know Zürich" (mmm, yes, of course). So we can chat and chat and argue about it, I'm 100% ok with the first comment, but I've noticed that Wikipedia's article in English concerning Switzerland's cities are mainly bad spelled. So, even I'm ok with you, Tang Wenlong, I think we'll have just to understand that the correct form doesn't supply the "popular way of saying" with the "locals". ;) -- Ngagnebin (talk) 4 September 2008
You're probably right in this point: "Saint Gall" is the usual english term for the town. Now I don't know whether the naming conventions here suggest to use english names or the local name for an article name. If the former is more common, moving is probably an option. I was merelly opposing the changes from "St. Gallen" to "St.Gallen" (note the space), because both are equally common, but the first is more usual for longer texts (as compared to signs and logos). I'll crosscheck the english name. --PaterMcFly (talk) 15:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms[edit]

The article now states:

The blazon of the municipal coat of arms is Argent a Bear rampant Sable langued and in his virility Gules and armed and gorged Or.
Is this really correct (old) english? I doubt it. The original german text reads:
In Silber steigender schwarzer Bär mit roter Zunge und Zeichen goldenem Halsband, Klauen und Augenbrauen, sowie Gold in den Ohren.Die Gemeindewappen des Kantons St. Gallen, Neujahrsblatt von 1947, S.21, Abb. Nr. 67

This (literally) translates to:

In argent an ascending black bear with a red tongue and sign [meaning the gender sign], golden neckline, claws and eyebrows, as well as gold in his ears.

Does the current text in the article realy mean the same? --PaterMcFly talk contribs 18:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Abbey or not abbey?[edit]

I made a few changes replacing Abbey of St. Gall by Cathedral of St. Gall and Abbey church St. Gall. ZH8000 reverted my changes arguing that Abbey was the correct translation of the German Abtei. Yet, this building is not generally called Abtei in German, it is called Stiftskirche (abbey church):

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiftskirche_St._Gallen

--Lubiesque (talk) 21:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Please do not start two different talk page threads. Add your comments Talk:Abbey_of_Saint_Gall#Confusion between Fürstabtei and Stiftskirche here! Tanks. -- ZH8000 (talk) 22:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 December 2015[edit]

Closed as INVALID. Move request was opened by a now-blocked sockpuppet account. Assessment of valid votes would have been unanimous oppose. Alsee (talk) 17:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

St. Gallen → Sankt Gallen – Full name instead of abbreviation. Peco Wikau (talk) 22:06, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: an alternative could be Saint Gallen in English? Peco Wikau (talk) 22:08, 17 December 2015 (UTC).[reply]
  • Nay - The local, German generally used spelling is St. Gallen (with a period!) and not Sankt Gallen, even though this is also correct in German, but rarely used. The raditionally English wording is St Gall (without a period). Even though I would pefer the correct English spelling in English Wikipedia, there seem to be the tendency to use the local spelling for Swiss fieldnames (instead of their long-existing English spelling). Therefore I cannot support the request. -- ZH8000 (talk) 23:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Google Ngrams search shows that "St. Gallen" has been more commonly used than "Sankt Gallen", "Saint Gallen" or "St Gallen" through the 19th and 20th centuries. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:03, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note The nominator is one of the subjects of an ongoing Sockpuppet investigation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Q. Where is the outdoor show jumping arena in St. Gallen?[edit]

Q. Where is the outdoor show jumping arena in St. Gallen? no mention of it in the Sport section. also the Sport section is very basic, needs improved. The 1987 European Show Jumping Championships were held in St. Gallen. Individual gold medalist horse & rider were one of the greats, " Jappeloup (SF) " ridden by Pierre Durand. The pair went on to win Gold the next year at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.154.100 (talk) 02:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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International relations section is a stub[edit]

Hello,

Reading the content of the international relations section raises confusion with no follow-up of any possibility to dig deeper.

185.25.192.174 (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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