Talk:Symposium (Gallen-Kallela)

Requested move 20 November 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 23:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Symposium (painting) → Symposium (Gallen-Kallela) – There are apparently two paintings named "Symposium", the other one being Symposium (Feuerbach). Despite that the Gallen-Kallela painting is obviously the one that the Finns think of when they hear the name "Symposium", this is neither the Finnish Wikipedia or the Wikipedia for Finland. I don't think either painting is significantly notable than the other. JIP | Talk 20:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, retargetting Symposium (painting) to Symposium (disambiguation)#Arts and entertainment and adding the Finnish painting to that dab. Certes (talk) 21:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, & the disam. Johnbod (talk) 01:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, alternative names do not offer any titles without disambiguation either. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 07:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Disambiguating by art form rather than by artist is generally best avoided, per MOS:ART/TITLE, so that situations like this won't come up. Ham II (talk) 11:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Intellectuals[edit]

Intellectual means generally writing in France and in east cost USA, leftist or even Marxian thinker.

Thefore, I would argue, that 'the cultural influencers' is better definition of the Symposiumcircle for they all, i.e. the group consist of highly imoortant culture influencers in Finland during those times of the Fennomania, nationalism and the movement for the independent...

'The Finland picture' Kartasto (talk) 02:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Intellectual means generally writing in France and in east cost USA, leftist or even Marxian thinker." Nonsense. Look at a dictionary. I don't think the 21st-century word "influencer" is appropriate here. Johnbod (talk) 03:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The common sense disagree.

Take a look, for example, at the etymology:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/influence?utm_source=app

Under the influence (of alcohol, etc.) 'drunk' first attested 1866.

Therefore the influencers is an optimal term to describe the men behiving inappropriately under the influence of alcohol, among other things.

That is what the painting and explanation is about.

Secondly, it is essential to mention that they were known for the cultural feats; literally the fraternity consisted of the most remarkable influencers of the emerging culture in Finland.

One can even argue that the members of that Finnish minded order were the key creators for the national identity.

One can even write they are the best known and the most respected creators of art, they are so called national artists in Finland just like Shakespe

Would you try Startpage with the key terms INTELLECTUAL + PEJORATIVE..? Kartasto (talk) 05:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Data manipulations[edit]

Noticed once again that my message was manipulated Kartasto (talk) 05:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]