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Requested move 10 November 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. No prejudice against a future RM with "Veon Armenia" or similar as a proposed title, but clearly there is a consensus against this proposal. Jenks24 (talk) 10:28, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Armenia Telephone Company → «VEON Armenia» CJSC – the company changed it's name to «VEON Armenia» CJSC in October 2017 Marinaddd (talk) 11:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 12:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per pretty much everything. This is not WP:RECOGNIZABLE, it violates MOS:TM by including extraneous typographic decoration, it's against MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, MOS:ACRO, and MOS:TM again in using ATTENTION CAPS on a name that is not an acronym, and is against MOS:TM yet again by unnecessarily including a corporation-type designation at the end. Support Alternative, for now: Veon Armenia. And move VEON to Veon (company) per MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, MOS:ACRO, and MOS:TM (and numerous precedents, most obviously Sony versus "SONY"). Veon is not an acronym, the capitalization is just marketing stylization, and reliable sources do not consistently capitalize it [1]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 18:57, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose WP:AT using special characters for no reason. WP:TM using special styling for bad reasons. -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 04:39, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

As it's been relisted, some things to consider.

The original rationale is invalid, relying on the official name (as is unfortunately common... it would save a lot of time if we could somehow reduce the number of these). There's no support for other reasons, but no other reason is needed IMO.

The suggested alternative name Veon Armenia again seems based on the recent change of official name rather than on any evidence, guideline or policy.

On the positive side there's a heads-up at talk:VEON which now makes this a valid if messy multi-move.

I note that this would reverse and overwrite a previous but recent undiscussed move, the third such:

16:31, 28 February 2017‎ Denis.arnaud (talk | contribs | block)‎ m . . (2,775 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Denis.arnaud moved page Talk:VimpelCom Ltd. to Talk:VEON Ltd.: Official rebranding of the company, as of 27-FEB-2017)
22:56, 6 March 2017‎ ViperSnake151 (talk | contribs | block)‎ m . . (2,775 bytes) (0)‎ . . (ViperSnake151 moved page Talk:VEON Ltd. to Talk:Veon (company): proper capitalization and disambig)
08:09, 26 October 2017‎ Störm (talk | contribs | block)‎ m . . (2,775 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Störm moved page Talk:Veon (company) to Talk:VEON: official name per most sources https://tribune.com.pk/story/1529225/veon-officially-launches-pakistan/)

so it would be good to resolve this. (Those are from the talk page history of course, the moves in the article history are not surprisingly identical.) Andrewa (talk) 13:36, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Veon (company) would seem to be the one to use. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 04:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Corrected stringing, I hope that's OK.)

Agree that Veon (company) is the best name for the article currently at VEON. It currently redirects there following one of the moves noted above.

That leaves the question of the best name for the article on the subsidiary also known as the Armenia Telephone Company. Andrewa (talk) 20:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.