Talk:Tequila/Archive 1

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Ode to worm

What about the worm? -Branddobbe 18:30, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)

There is sometimes a worm in some forms of Mezcal; but never in tequila (or at least not in any good tequila). The gusano worm eats the agave cactus and supposedly people started including it because it changed the flavor of the Mezcal. It was included in bottles of mezcal as a gimmick; legend has it that it was a prank done to see if they could make the Yanquis eat worms. The worm has no intoxicating properties of its own (other than being soaked in mezcal) though a lot of people claim it does. The fact that most people who eat the worm have already drank a bottle of mezcal suggests that their intoxication may have other causes than the worm. --csloat 19:14, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

"...but never in tequila (or at least not in any good tequila)"

Nope, no tequila ever has a worm, even bad ones. To call it tequila you have to pass a Mexican govt. inspection, and they won't pass a mezcal with a worm in it as tequila. You can't even do it in other countries because Mexico holds international trademarks on the name -Harmil 19:44, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I really have absolutely what you people are talking about. I live in the State of Alabama. I PROMISE you that if I wanted to go down to the ABC store right this very minute I could find at least one brand of tequila that contains a worm in every bottle. It is not a common misconception at all. It is a fact. 207.157.121.50 02:57, 20 October 2005 (UTC) mightyafrowhitey

I think that if there's a worm in the bottle it's mezcal, not tequila. It can't be called tequila if it has the worm. Rhobite 03:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe that is correct too - I have seen a few mezcals with worms but none of them tequilas. And in mezcal it's just a gimmick. If you can find tequila with a worm in Alabama, go get some and tell us what brand. I'm willing to bet it's mezcal (if it's tequila I'll buy the bottle and the next time I'm in Alabama I'll buy another bottle and drink it with you). I didn't know there was a Mexican policy against worms in tequila, but I have never seen a bottle with a worm -- only mezcal (and always bad mezcal, at least the ones I've tasted). csloat 08:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Glasses

When you drink tequila straight, it is usually drank from a shot glass, are there any other types of glasses you could use to drink tequila straight? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.70.76.205 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Shot glasses are most common. I often use small whiskey glass.

My favorite glass for tequila is designed after a yard for beer, only it's about 3-4in (7-10cm) tall. It's very cool, and really freaks people out. The only place I know of where you can get them is the El Agave Restaurant in San Diego, California. -Harmil 19:31, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

The caballito -- kind of like a shot glass, but narrower and taller. The variants I've just measured in my kitchen hold btwn 40 & 60 ml. –Hajor 20:18, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Hell, I just drink from the bottle. :-) --Jack (Cuervo) 04:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I've seen the glass you're talking about - drank Porfidio cactus anejo out of it as I recall (and at $18 a shot, I do recall, LOL). It's more like a brandy snifter than a "yard" glass, I thought, but same basic idea; a flute-like glass only a little bigger than a caballito. There's a place in LA uses them -- Venice I think, at the intersection of Lincoln and Rose. Can't remember the name; it's a Mexican restaurant (highly recommended if you dig Mexican - freshly made corn tortillas, you can't go wrong). They have a good tequila selection.

I recall drinking out of this in Mexico City somewhere too but I couldn't tell you where without a street map in front of me; it's been a while. Same idea as a brandy snifter; you preserve the bouquet of the tequila and bring it up to the nose delicately. Or something like that... if you get into sniffing booze, it's a good glass to drink out of (and good tequilas do actually have a nice aroma, so I'm not really joking). Anyone know what these are called? -csloat 10:21, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Brands

Think certain *cough* brands of tequila are notable enough to warrant an article? (Two points if you guess which one. :P) --Jack (Cuervo) 04:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Sauza? Rhobite 04:56, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I would think Cuervo would be, but it would need to deal with the business history and how Cuervo managed to penetrate the American market so deeply. They are notable as the first Tequila to become widely known in the US. Does anyone have an account of that history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harmil (talk • contribs) 13:51, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

was that a joke? The guy's name is Cuervo :) csloat 08:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does an article on Patrón not exist? 69.230.185.217 02:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Sauza is the number 3 US tequila and the number 2 international tequila (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS224601+10-Apr-2008+BW20080410) so I would say it warrants placement on a list of top tequila brands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.252.19 (talk) 02:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. However, the citation you provided requires a user login, and so is not verifiable by the average reader. Also, since Sauza is redlinked, perhaps you would care to write the article first? Kevin Forsyth (talk) 09:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Link updated... and I will work on the Sauza page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.115.248.60 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, it helps with verifiability. While I personally do not doubt Sauza is the #2 tequila in the world (the #3 US claim is not supported by the link), I wonder if this source is reliable by Wikipedia standards. Although it is published on Reuters' web site, it is clearly a press release by Beam Global Spirits & Wine, the parent company of Sauza. I suspect this means it is not a third-party source. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 20:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Kevin, I am curious why the other brands referenced do not require citation to be categorized as notable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.115.248.60 (talk • contribs)

Those brands all have their own articles. As I said before (see my comment of 14 September, above), Sauza — and now El Tesoro as well — are redlinked. Since Wikipedia is not a collection of links, I recommended that you write the article first — in short, establish the notability of these brands with their own articles before you add them here, so that they do not appear as redlinked orphans.

Also, your previous edit on this page removed my comment of 15 September. Although you might not have intended it, this is a form of vandalism. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 22:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Kevin, sorry, I did not intend to delete your comment, still a little new to Wikipedia. I'm still working on a Sauza article since it's my favorite tequila brand. But I'm still trying to figure out some of the rules. It seems 1800 is not redlinked... but there is no article. How does that work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vastandgrand (talk • contribs) 16:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

No worries, apology accepted. As to your Sauza article -- go for it, and as they say, ignore all rules. The five pillars might help you some, especially the fifth one: be bold. Oh, and it's good etiquette to sign your Talk pages comments with four tildes (~). Enjoy! Kevin Forsyth (talk) 05:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm wandering close to an edit war here, and want to explain my actions. A few days ago the anonymous user at 66.32.67.179 created a new article on "Voodoo Tiki" tequila and added it to the list of brands, along with a link to that company's margarita recipes. The article was speedily deleted (not by my actions), and the recipe link was linkspam, so I removed both the resultant redlink and the linkspam from this article.
Since then, 66.32.67.179 has twice deleted the entire list of brands and replaced it with a (admittedly germane) mention of the sheer number of registered brands—anywhere from 900 to over 1,000. Their argument was that the list "is NOT factual nor does it have any citations to lend credibility." However, given that they added to that list themselves, it seems that they were willing to vouch for its pertinence as long as the tequila they are promoting appears in the list. This seems to be a conflict of interest.
That said, there are a few entries in the list (for example Casa Noble, which only cites the company website) that deserve to have their articles reviewed for notability. That's a job for another day, or another editor. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 17:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The anonymous user has moved to 66.32.117.83 and continues to delete the list as uncited. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 16:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I see other editors have chimed in with edits that imply they think the list is for shite too; I tend to agree, especially with their removal of the spurious "best known" contention. So I've added a link to the CRT's complete list of brands, and will leave well enough alone. My apologies if I've been disruptive. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 20:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Smooth stuff

The article talks about salt and lime and says "This is rarely done with aged tequilas due to their smoother character." In my experience the tequila's age has little to do with this - in fact I've tasted some platas that are smoother than their corresponding anejos - whereas the percentage of agave has a lot to do with it. I can't think of a 100% agave tequila that I would use training wheels with, whether agave, reposado, or plata... even Hornitos is plenty drinkable without a lime or salt, and that's the cheap stuff....
There are a couple 100%ers I'm not particularly fond of, but it isn't a smoothness issue; whereas there isn't a single mixto I consider smooth enough to drink without training wheels (in fact there are very few mixtos I will drink at all under most circumstances -- Sauza Commemorativo now and again but only if necessary). So this should probably be changed? csloat 08:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Tourists?

Could the following sentence perhaps benefit from the addition of the words "In Mexico ... considered ...": "The tequila shot with salt on one hand and a bite of lime is Hollywood stuff and few people drink it that way, mostly tourists." It seems to me plenty of people in the USA and Canada do drink it this way -- even if it is not "authentically" Mexican (if indeed that's the case) -- and they are obviously not tourists in their own lands. User:Visitor 30 December 2005

It is also found on this site [1]. Copyvio? Ubermonkey 01:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

It's condescending and opinionated.. needs a rewrite. Rhobite 03:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

"Hollywood stuff..." sorry, but in Germany most of the people drink tequila with salt and lime. Think international! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.254.206 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

In Germany Tequila is not usually drunken with cinnamon and an orange slice. this is only done with Tequila gold. White Tequila is drunk the same way as in other countries, wih salt and lime or lemon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weeddude (talk • contribs) 10:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Drinking methods

I saw on a movie that someone put fire on the shot glass and drank the tequila why is that done? Skindrafter 12:33, 05 March 2006 (UTC)

Usually, the fire is just showmanship.

There are a number of different drinks that you can light on fire. A Flaming Dr. Pepper comes to mind. Generally, unless the spirit has a high alcohol content, it will not ignite. To remedy this a layer of high-proof rum or grain alcohol is gently floated on top of the shot and that, rather than the underlying liquid, is what burns Compulsion 21:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

South Africa

What about those brands that are made from Blue Agave but due to *cough* international agreements cannot call themselves "tequila". Their quality and taste are as good or better than many of the "real" tequilas. See AGAVE GOLD from "http://www.agavedistillers.com" in South Africa for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.38.248.41 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Tequila is grown in south Africa under the brand "agave." I think that should be added --41.241.114.254 19:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not. Agave is a plant and can be grown, tequila is a drink made from agave that can only be made in Mexico. Much like champagne can only come from France. - Secondtalon 17:32 UTC, 05 January 2007

You are thinking of the mezcal that is grown in the Karoo in South Africa under the name Agave. This is the only known plantation of the Blue Agave outside Mexico as the Mexican Government was extremely careful in keeping it in country. However, 3 were smuggled out and travelled down the East Coast after arriving in Durban, ending up in the Karoo. Nuxite (talk) 14:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Name

Does anyone know where the alternate spelling with two "l"s ("tequilla") came from? Is this an acceptable spelling, another type of tequila, or simply a common misspelling? Wolfdog 00:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

False categories in article

"Since 2002, sales of ultra-premium and super-premium tequilas have grown at a rate of 28 percent." Sorry but there really are no such categories in terms of quality. Perhaps the writer is referring to the price of some of the brands, or the fact that some are 100% agave. These meaningless adjectives should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 05:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Since the quote is taken from an industry group's website, once can safely assume that these "adjectives" are industry standard terms used to describe various price points for the product. They may appear meaningless in relative to tequila nomenclature, but not so in terms of sales for various price levels which do not take this into account (though maybe they should!) Sherpajohn (talk) 21:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The following comment has been split from this thread.

An additional note: tequila comes only in 3 “flavors”: Blanco, Reposado, and Añejo there’s no such thing as “premium or super-premium” (it’s not gasoline). --192.131.85.207 (talk) 23:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Designation of origin

According to the Designation of Origin Declaration (for tequila) which is issued by Consejo Regulador del tequila (Tequila Regulatory Council) the only state(s) where tequila can be produced is Jalisco and select municipalities/counties in other states (Guanajuato, Michoacan, Nayarit, and Tamaulipas) You can see the entire declaratory here (in Spanish): http://crtnew.crt.org.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=62
Any agave spirit produced outside these locations cannot be called Tequila. The article mentions that tequila can be produced anywhere in mexico, this is not accurate. --192.131.85.207 (talk) 23:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

"Tequila can be produced anywhere in Mexico"...? The ATF article provides no assertion other than Tequila is Mexican, which cannot logically flow to Tequila can be produced anywhere in Mexico. My understanding is that there are only certain areas (such as Jalsico) that can produce Tequila. The other regions in Mexico produce Mezcal, the sparkling wine equivalent to Champagne. Nuxite (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Revision of good faith edits

Factory image caption

The caption on the image was:

Blue agave fields and ancient distilleries near Tequila are recognized as part of the World Heritage List.

The new caption that User:Gillean666 wrote was:

Tequila facilities at Dona Engracia hacienda, Jalisco, Mexico]].

Ignoring the fact that the text contained a wiki-formatting error (which is obviously just a typo), I'm not sure that the point of having the image on this page is to describe the tequila facilities at Dona Engracia hacienda (the content of the image) so much as as an example of "ancient distilleries near Tequila" in general. As such, I'm pretty sure the old caption was the better one, though clearly the text that Gillean666 inserted (taken from the image description page on the commons) is more descriptive of the image itself. -Harmil 19:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Atotonilco El Alto

Anonymous user 201.135.99.204 added "Atotonilco El Alto" after "Guadalajara" in the entry intro, and changed "50km" to "90km." I suspect this is vandalism and have reverted, but to be honest I don't know for sure. The best I can Google up is that Atotonilco El Alto is a small town on the far side of Guadalajara, in the East of Jalisco. Anyone know better than I? - Corporal Tunnel 14:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is an actual town and I know there's tequila produced there. Just last night I was holding a bottle of "Siete leguas" produced there. However I think it unlikely that the town is the center of tequila production in the country. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 18:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

"How To Properly Drink Tequila"

This newly added section has several statements that sound like scientific facts, but has no references to back them. It's pedantic: the insistence on use of a snifter runs contrary to those who would prefer a caballito. The bits about the different nostrils and their "dominant/non-dominant" sides — is there a rhinologist in the house?
I agree that good tequila should be savoured (and bad tequila isn't worth drinking), but is it really necessary to stand up? Or wait a full 8 seconds before swallowing? Also, the use of the second person makes for a non-encyclopedic and non-NPOV tone. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 12:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Inaccurate translation in definitions of types of tequilas

The definition for Joven or Oro Tequila is not accurate to the source document and I would like to change it to accurately reflect the source document. The current definition is:

Joven ("young") or oro ("gold") – un-aged "blanco" tequila, blended with rested or aged tequilas, and often with caramel coloring, sugar-based syrup, glycerin, and/or oak extract added so as to resemble aged tequila;

According to the source document the correct/accurate translation is:

The result of blending silver Tequila with reposado and/or anejo and/or extra anejo Tequila, is considered Joven or Gold

How do I go about getting it changed -- I have tried a couple of times but the change is reverted back to the original. Would really appreciate help with this --Vesla20573 (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

National Tequila Day

"In the United States, National Tequila Day is July 24.[26]" doesn't belong under "Other drinks". I would have edited but can't find any suitable place to put it. 84.49.163.237 (talk) 23:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Sources & citations

$250,000 tequila bottle

I reprint the following from lexis/nexis because of the most recent changes to the page on this topic:

Copyright 2006 Associated Press
All Rights Reserved
Associated Press Online

July 23, 2006 Sunday 3:19 AM GMT

SECTION: INTERNATIONAL NEWS
LENGTH: 202 words
HEADLINE: Bottle of Tequila Sold for $225,000
DATELINE: MEXICO CITY
BODY:

Forget the salt and lime, you'll need a mint to enjoy this tequila.

Producer Tequila Ley .925 announced Saturday that it has sold a bottle
of Mexico's best-known beverage in a gold and platinum casing for a
whopping $225,000.

"This is a really unique bottle of tequila and our client, a U.S.-based
collector of fine wines and spirits, will treasure this prize to add to
an already impressive collection," said company CEO Fernando Altamirano
in a news release. The buyer's name was not disclosed.

Altamirano said he is applying to the Guinness Book of Records claiming
he has sold the most expensive bottle of liquor ever, but the book has
to ratify the claim.

Tequila, made from agave, a blue cactus-like plant native to Western
Mexico, sells for as little $10 a bottle and was traditionally the drink
of farmers and laborers.

However, in recent years its profile has risen dramatically and it has
gained fans on all corners of the globe. Earlier this month, UNESCO
added the blue agave-growing region to the World Heritage list.

The record-breaking bottle was part of a new range of luxury tequilas
unveiled by Tequila Ley last week. Named "Aztec Passion Limited
Edition," it was cased in 4.4 pounds of gold and platinum.

LOAD-DATE: July 23, 2006

I can't find a full article about this on the web but AP is certainly a legitimate source. --csloat 20:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't see this before I removed the comment from the main page. This is a good find, and we should add it back, but to the "recent history" section, not the TMA section (as I doubt that any impact of TMA could be said to have resulted in this sale price). Source it with the <ref>{{cite news...}}</ref> construct and add a Notes section to place the <references/> in. Thanks again for finding this! -Harmil 07:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Citations

I've been working on expanding the citations, and getting rid of some of the {{fact}} tags. Anyone who can add citations where they've been requested, please do. This article continues to improve. Hopefully someday we can elevate it through the ranks of Wikipedia article grading. -Harmil 17:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

American version of tequila

Same stuff but cannot use 'tequila' name because it's grown and made in USA: http://cbs2.com/video/?id=18173@kcbs.dayport.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 09:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

No info on manufacturing process here?

This is an excellent article: http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:g78yPtoOVBYJ:www.scocia.com/newsite/Tequila.pdf.pdf+tequila+manufacture&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 04:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Tequila diamonds

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7725815.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.251.146 (talk) 23:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Likely/definite vandalism

Casa Noble

Be on the lookout for edits which promote the Casa Noble brand - I've nothing against them, but feel they shouldn't be allowed to abuse Wikipedia to promote it. Proabivouac 12:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

"Anejo cures AIDS"??

Can anyone shed any light on the 'TMA section' where it says that there is a link between anejo and AIDS? It originally said, "...especially the recent discovery that anejo cures AIDS". I changed it to make it less definite (as there is obviously no cure for AIDS), but can't verify any truth in it whatsoever, and the link seems strange... — Preceding unsigned comment added by EvilTarsier (talk • contribs) 22:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Off-topic

FSU

This article never mentions how it is generally believed that Tequila will make you break stuff (i.e. FSU). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.162.215.38 (talk) 06:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Tequila!

Can someone add in the article about when people scream "Tequila! and info about its origin or whatever, i would like to know thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.70.254 (talk) 07:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean the song? Vicco Lizcano (talk) 15:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC) ^{(Hey! Listen!)}

Images

Pictures

I have just returned from a trip to Jalisco to discuss working with a new Tequila client. I have a bunch of photos (they are not brand-oriented... pix of jimadors working the field, agaves in ovens, fermentation and distillation tanks etc. that would be ideal to illustrate this article.... I would appreciate advice on how best to present these to the group and determine the right captions. Please advise Batboy23 (talk) 21:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I have never uploaded pictures to wikipedia, but you can start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images Vicco Lizcano (talk) 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC) ^{(Hey! Listen!)}

Tequila, Jalisco

WHY NO PICS OF THE CITY OF TEQUILA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.207.190 (talk) 05:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)