Talk:The Living Daylights/Archive 1

Trivia Questions

I've removed these two pieces from the trivia section:

• In the cargo net stunt near the end of the film, the Hercules airlifter used was a two-engine version, but close-ups show it is a four-engine airplane.

It's possible this is true, but I've never heard of a 2 engine version of the Hercules, considering it's size it seems a bit unlikely.

It's true - the only real cargo plane used was a 2-engined version (also seen in Con Air). The only 4-engined plane was a miniture built by John Richardson which was so convincing it was used for all flying scenes. basically, 4-engined Hercules are expensive and rarely used on film (The Wild Geese is a notable exception). Scott197827 21 Nov 2005.

• The script was originally written with Roger Moore's Bond in mind, as the actor was invited to make one more Bond film appearance. It was then retooled for Dalton.

I think this is untrue. It's often claimed the script was written for Moore, but it seems unlikely. He certainly wasn't invited to play the part again. JW 13:18, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it is true. It was initially written for Moore and had to be majorly rewritten for Dalton. I don't know if the producers really wanted Moore though, since they had tried to get Dalton for A View to a Kill. In fact I think it was Moore who stepped down from the role, not the producers telling him he was done. K1Bond007 00:59, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

I've read in several places that it was written with Moore in mind, but it seems a bit unlikely as he would have been 60 when it was released. Broccoli's autobiography When the Snow Melts says he told Moore after A View to a Kill that they were going to look for a replacement. JW 18:40, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Well that's not really a difinitive answer since technically they were looking for a replacement almost after every Moore release. Michael Billington for instance screentested for the role for Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only, and Octopussy (in addition to Live and Let Die) and we already know Dalton was asked for A View to a Kill, but couldn't due to a busy schedule. According to The Incredible World of 007: An Authorized Celebration of James Bond [1], the original The Living Daylights script was intended for Roger Moore. K1Bond007 19:19, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

The Incredible World of 007 mentions additional comedic elements in the script, such as dropping the chief of security into red paint and saying “Better red than dead!” (this scene was filmed and appears on the DVD as a deleted scene, but without the one-liner). It probably wasn't written for Roger Moore - Maibaum and Wilson had already written the “James Bond: Year Zero” script for a different actor - but probably for a Roger Moore-type. Scott197827 21 Nov 2005

See Talk:A View to a Kill. Yeah, I was definitely wrong here (citing the Internet, is often a bad idea :D). I read more into it a while back, - plus I know people that have read the original scripts. Definitely not written for Moore. K1Bond007 07:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Clarification

Is Nekros the only villian (or, in this case, main henchman)to realize that Bond had the upper hand and the intelligence to beg for his life once he realized he was going to die? I always thought Nekros was the most intelligent of the villian henchmen; for sale for the right price, but not willing to die for somebody else. It also had the side-effect of helping establish Timothy Dalton as the Bond who most reflected Fleming's novels as a killer, one who killed without remorse. Not with humor, not with thought, not with pleasure, just as a needed part England's security.

Locque seems to beg for his life in FYEO, even though he still doesn't speak. However, in TLD Dalton is really trying to get rid of the great weight pulling on his foot rather than deliberate murder. For my mind, Brosnan shooting the chandelier and killing Zao in Die Another Day was probably the most ruthless and cold-blooded execution in any of the movies. Totally unnecessary. Scott197827 21 Nov 2005

The prize for the most blatant begging-for-one's-life must surely go to Blofeld/Bald Villain in wheelchair in the pre-title sequence of FYEO prior to being dropped down a chimney stack. Olaf Legend 19:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, I reckon the most cold blooded of Bond's kills has got to be the scene in THE SPY WHO LOVED ME with Sandor and the tie. (Callum J. Stewart 09:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC))

Trivial (or so we are told), and unsourced

This article has a long plot summary. Not having seen the film, I didn't read this. For all I know, it's excellent. Much of the remainder is in lists. The longest list is of what's titled "trivia".

Wikipedia purports to be an encyclopedia. Trivia lists aren't encyclopedic. If this stuff really is merely trivial, delete it. If it isn't, retitle it, move it somewhere else, or both.

When I examine this "trivia", some of it seems potentially interesting. Here's a sample:

The principal artwork for this film — a woman in a sheer white dress, holding a pistol as James Bond stands in the gun barrel pose — was controversial in some parts of the world, with complaints raised that it glorified violence against women (though no such action occurs in the film). A student newspaper at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada was nearly shut down, sparking debate about censorship and images of violence against women, after it refused to run the advert when the film was scheduled to play at the university's student cinema.

Which parts of the world? What are the sources for this? Who or what "nearly shut down" this U Saskatchewan mag? (Revolting students? Lack of rashly depended-upon advertising revenue?) What's the title of this student mag, and what's its significance? What are the sources for all of this? (An authoritative newspaper article? A slightly hysterical or dope-fueled student newspaper article? Hazy memories of some TV news story some WP editor watched almost two decades ago?) Hoary 06:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Seconded, and I've failed the article. It's not great prose, it doesn't cite sources, excessively sized trivia section. No doubt you have the makings of a GA here so please don't be disheartened - improve it and try again. It's not there yet, though. -kingboyk 10:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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As with the other soundtracks I would propose to give it a separate page. It makes sense because the others Bond soundtracks have one as well and so it can redirect from John Barry, it is an album in it's own right after all, with Barry as the author. --stasis101 03:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Translations

Should a translations section being incorporated to the article? David Pro 00:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)