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the dread neutral point of view..

I wonder if there's better language than the following: 'an eccentric film director' 'He is known for being very hit and miss as a director, films such as Ed Wood are seen as classics, whilst Planet of the Apes is seen as an atrocity of film making'. Oh okay - leave it to me to make it NPOV thegirlinwhite 20:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Absolutly Insane?

Is there anywhere that talks about Burton going insane during his work on the Fox and the Hound and mentioning "...he did bizarre things such as sitting in his closet and refusing to come out, sitting on or under his desk, biting anyone who came near him, and at one point, he even managed to rip out his wisdom teeth and run down the hall, letting his gums bleed"?

If anyone can back this up, I'd be grateful. - SmeagolSquid 15:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


Well, I did see Tim Burton's biography on the Biography Channel. And it did have his friends (or people working on the movie with him) saying that he sat in closets for hours, sitting at his desk staring into space so I can account for that much of the story.
But I don't know whether he went "insane" or not. You could say "according to various people who worked on the film, Tim Burton exhibited eccentric behaviour during the making of The Fox and the Hound". But it could have been all for show on Tim Burton's part or he could have just been really frustrated at that time. But yes, I can back you you up some-what. --Rachel Cakes 00:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Tim ripping his wisdom teeth out and other very odd acts during that period are actually backed up in his autobiography, Burton on Burton. I’m not sure if some of the things were an exaggeration or not, but he included it so it is definitely reliable. Oogie13oogie 02:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe that his wisdom teeth were removed by a dentist, although the story about letting the blood from his gums drip seems to be worthy of updating here.

My Thing On Tim

Is this really needed, or should it be an external link? it seems to overextend the article and overcomplicated


Can we get a section on criticisms here? Burton is definitely no without them. Perhaps starting on what many moviegoers see as an inverse proportion of style to substance? 03:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)66.227.226.251 CM

Trivia

Can someone remove the fancrufty, rubbish trivia in the article please? LuciferMorgan 22:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


Pee wee's playhouse

Shouldn't anyone mention that he is attached to direct the upcoming pee wee's playhouse movie? Is this false? It is written on IMDb but I have not seen any confirmation from Paul Ruebens. Does anyone have any other information on this? Gothforever —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.11.220.60 (talk) 02:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

Trivia

I incorporated the trivia I could find a place for -- I really don't think most of this has a place in this article, but I hesitate to completely delete other people's work. If you can find a place for it, go ahead... otherwise, I guess at least its here for those who are interested.

Photograph

Added a photo of the man.VonV 01:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Add a free photo then, not a copyright violation. Alientraveller 09:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Article

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,345862,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildroot (talk • contribs) 20:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

  1. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,315642,00.html
  2. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,316167,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildroot (talk • contribs) 20:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

A Series of Unfortunate Events

Anyone know why Burton decided not to do the film? Or was it because he was fired/

And why did Depp quit too? I mean, I know he's Burton's regular but that's no reason to quit a film just because Burton withdrew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.131.62.226 (talk) 00:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Going by the film's Wikipedia article, it seems that Tim didn't want to do it. As for Johnny, maybe he didn't want to do it without Tim. I don't know. TakaraLioness (talk) 15:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Hansel and Gretel ?

imdb has it and a few other online references to it. Should it be added to article? - SimonLyall (talk) 05:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I would say yes, despite being almost entirely unknown it is still a film he directed. /Film has a little more on it here. Jack (talk) 18:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Trademark?

"When presenting the film House of Wax with Vincent Price, he said his favorite scene was watching the wax figures melt and their eyeballs fall out in such a manner. He got to express that excitement when he directed Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. He also got to work with Vincent Price by casting him in Edward Scissorhands."

I think this is relevant information to the article, but not a trademark. Can anyone find a better place for it? DanTheShrew (talk) 12:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Goth?

What's with these goth references in the article? Burton's style may be dark, but that kind of thing has existed longer than the goth subculture. Could we please use an accurate term instead of some unneeded youth culture reference? -- LGagnon 01:40, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

I am sure they are required. Tim Burton is known for drawing influences from gothic litterature (Vincent, Nightmare, etc) and old expressionist movies which did the same (Nosferatu, The Cabinet Of Dr Caligari). In addition to just the visual aspects of things, he also flirts with the subculture which goes by the name of "goth" (the use of Alien Sex Fiend merch in Mars Arracks! and Siouxsie & The Banshees-score of Batman...). --JimEerie (talk) 10:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The goth subculture may be a fairly recent thing, but the term gothic is quite old. I think it accuratly describes some of his work. Also, he didn't actually direct The Nightmare Before Christmas, as it says in the article... but its listed in his directorial credits... Its one of my favorite movies and it wouldn't exist without him, but I think I'll remove it from that section for accuracy. -- corran_horn314 July 01, 2005

Goth isn't really a literal word. More of a post modern sort of culteral thing. The people and art we think of as being "goth" isn't literally goth. So if you take it for being the post modern culteral thing that it is Tim Burtons work is as "goth" as a kid wearing black clothing and makeup in modern times.

That said, I love Tim Burton's movies. My favorite right now has to be Corpse Bride. If only he could make more stop motion animated movies; he has a real knack for them. I love the movie so much I even entered the official poetry contest to try and win a puppet from the movie. Check it out http://www.corpsebridedvd.com that site has a lot of cool features as well for Burton fans.

His style appears to me to be fairly Gothic. I'd consider myself one [more then the look, but the artistic and darker veiwes] Even if he himself is far from being one, he has one hell of a knack of making Gothic-like words. Espically his stop-motion ones. FinalWish 07:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Goth?

I think the correct word to describe some of his work is Macabre. In fact, if you look at the page for Macabre, it links to Tim Burton in the "See also" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.7.221.91 (talk) 16:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Unless I missed something, nothing in the article is described as "goth". There is a difference between goth and gothic. Ward3001 (talk) 17:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Why No Beetlejuice Section?

Beetlejuice is minimally discussed and is kinda lumped in with "early career", while all the films from Batman and Scissorhands on are given seperate sections. Why the short shrift for this film? For my money its kinda his breakthrough. Frankenweenie and Vincent are shorts and Pee Wee's BA, while containing distinctive Burton elements, is more about the film's star,and so these projects don'r necessarily need to be given equal weight to later projects, Beetljuice was a full length hit that is positively dripping with Burton's signature style... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 21:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow.

I stumbled upon this article and started to correct some grammar mistakes, but OMG theres alot in here. There's also quite a few things that just make little to no sense. Anyone wanna re-arrange it and fix the grammar? I'll tackle it sometime, but have work and school filling my time at the moment... JamesBenjamin 01:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Dude, you made a few grammar errors, yourself. Haha. =] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.205.224.26 (talk) 22:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Some False Information

"The rock band Blink 182 included a Tim Burton reference on the song 'I Miss You'. The line "We can live like Jack and Sally" was a reference to Jack Skellington and Sally in the movie The Nightmare Before Christmas." This is false, in the inside leaflet of the self titled Blink-182 album, it states that this line is a reference to one of the band members and their wife. As a Tim Burton and BLink fan, it would have been cool if it was true though. Ill leave removing the quote to someone who knows how to edit pages.

I know, I put that in. I think it's gone now, but while it was directed at one of the band members and his wife the names are a reference to NBC. It's backed up in the English music magazine Kerrang!. Just wanted to show I'm not crazy. User:Germs


-To the author of Tim Burton's page: I found an error. In the chart that displays Burton's actors he likes to use in his movies, it states that Johnny Depp was in Burton's 2003 film Big Fish. Johnny Depp was NOT in this movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.69.62 (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixed it. TakaraLioness (talk) 23:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Peters, Burton and Michael Keaton

I've recently developed an interest in Jon Peters, and there is a bit of information on this article that clashes with information in the Batman article. In the Batman article, it says that Jon Peters suggested the casting of Michael Keaton, and Burton agreed. In the Tim Burton article, it says Burton fought Jon Peters in order to get Keaton cast. These are backed up by print sources I have no access to, not online sources. Can anyone help sort out which is right?--122.109.146.138 (talk) 18:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Citation 4

Citation number 4 links to the answers.com copy of this Wikipedia page and contains no extra information or supporting evidence. Amusingly, the copied article contains this citation, so answers.com ends up citing themselves. If there is no evidence of a clash between Burton and the studio over Planet of the Apes, that section should be deleted. -99.234.1.72 (talk) 20:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Trademarks

Most of this seems like original research.

We want to stay clear of original research for sure; however, a lot of Burton's trademarks are interesting and of course greatly add to an understanding of the director. Is there a way to include, simply, objective observations regarding Burton's trademarks? For example, him using butterflies, tracking shots at the beginning of his movies, stylistic music (though that isn't quite an objective description), uses of swirls, certain patterns (geometric) here and there, and more... Notice of these trademarks adds to an understanding of the director, and it seems like because of this they ought to be conserved. Is there a better way to include them? 208.127.62.18 (talk) 05:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, it may be better to refer to "trademarks" rather as "stylistic devices". If writers were to list some of Burton's stylistic devices and reference what movies they are in, would that still be original research? 208.127.62.18 (talk) 05:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


Coraline?

Burton had nothing to do with Coraline so could some onee please get rid of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.177 (talk) 01:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

"Burton regulars"

I'm curious as to how anyone could consider Ian McDiarmid to be a "Burton regular", as claimed in this article. Caped Crusader (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

He was only in one of Tim's films, so I see your point... Hm... Should we take him out of that little list then? TakaraLioness 20:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I believe someone attempted to edit the article, but succeeded only in making it worse. Rather than removing Ian McDiarmid from the list of names, the sentence was simply changed to read, "A host of Burton appeared in supporting roles". I suppose I will fix it. Caped Crusader (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way to include Albert Finney as a recurring member? He was in both Big Fish and Corpse Bride. He may be in others, but I'm not sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.125.249.12 (talk) 08:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I have noticed that there are some things missing from the list. such as Paul Reubens being in The Nightmare Before Christmas. Also, I wonder if Danny Elfman should be listed under the movies he worked on with Burton. BenW (talk) 22:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

and what about Henry Selick? he directed both the Nightmare.. and James and the Giant...

Scooby Doo

I remember, way back in the mid-1990s, there was a rumour that Burton was working on a live-action version of Scooby Doo. This was the first time I'd heard of the possibility of a Scooby-Doo feature film (the first film, directed by Raja Gosnell, was released in 2002). I can't find references to this anywhere, not even in Mark Salisbury's Burton on Burton. I've no idea where I first heard the story - was it just an urban myth? Dom Kaos (talk) 16:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna say that's just a myth. I've never heard of Tim ever working on a Scooby Doo project, and Burton on Burton would say, I'd think. TakaraLioness (talk) 18:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I think you're probably right - shame though, that would have been a great film! Dom Kaos (talk) 23:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
No, this is actually true. You can go through Variety's search engine and you will find some articles that confirm this. I can do it later, but right now I have to go. Wildroot (talk) 17:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm, the only reference I can find in Variety is this one - March 13 1997, '...in (a) surprising development, Dish hears "Batman" director Tim Burton is talking about doing "Scooby Doo."' Maybe that's where the rumour started and ended... Dom Kaos (talk) 00:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Films with Martin Landau

There is a mistake in the Recurring cast members table: Martin Landau appeared not in Planet of the Apes, but in Sleepy Hollow. Azat Razetdinov (talk) 19:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Book of Nightmare Before Christmas?

I've removed "The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993)" from the bibliography section, since it linked to the movie. Was there a book made of the poem, or a movie tie-in? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 16:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


Image gallery of Tim Burton Illustrations

I suggest inclusion of an images section, with a link to this permanent image gallery showcasing some of his illustrations, as part of his major career retrospective at the museum of modern art. http://artabase.net/exhibition/1771-tim-burton Xiatica (talk) 03:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Sailor Moon

While Sailor Moon is listed as a future project, the article doesn't discuss it and I can't find anything about it on a cursory google search, so I'm removing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ailes Grises (talk • contribs) 05:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Labyrinth remake

Is this true? as I can find no sources for this? Don't get me wrong, it would be awesome if this is true but should probably be removed. I once heard he inquired about doing a movie version of "Wicked the musical" from the wicked forum but that shouldn't be on wiki as there is no proof.Dawn 99 (talk) 08:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Table for recurring cast members

Is the table really necessary? Surely a list of the top few is enough. Kevin (talk) 23:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

As little as I am in favor of Wiki's tabularized fictional data -- which often seem to be nothing more than a chance for fans to see whether they spotted something another didn't, or to glorify a 20 minute cartoon episode -- this seems to be in a different class. It illustrates rather peculiar information, which is that over a period of 25 years, Burton has depended heavily on a small set of actors for 14 films. I found this interesting in several ways. What attracts him to these people (and having just listened to the commentary for The Corpse Bride vice versa)? There are several actors in the list that I particularly like. A couple whose acting I very much dislike. Others I don't really know, but now am willing to consider. I also see a difference between long-term relationships, and ones that apparently Burton couldn't control, or an actor whose work he didn't like.
It doesn't seem however that the information needs to be duplicated in the text. After all, each of those movies has their own Wiki article. To demonstrate, I edited the section on the movie called 9. Other thoughts? Piano non troppo (talk) 01:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps if the table was ordered by number of appearances it would be better. As it is, I see a jumble of Xs. Is there an easy way to edit tables here? Kevin (talk) 01:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Easy? Heh. The X-axis is ordered chronologically -- and that works, yes? The Y-axis ordering is easier to fix. At the moment, it's alphabetical. It could be chronological on the Y-axis. There do seem to be "trends", i.e., Christopher Lee has been used in later films, while Winona Ryder was only used on earlier films. Piano non troppo (talk) 19:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
(I fixed typos in the table formatting: The missing lines between rows or columns has to do with window sizing ( ! ), that is, some browser widths display all lines, some don't. This may be a good reason to change to a different type of table entirely.) Piano non troppo (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
On this subject, surely it's as relevant that Burton usually works with Danny Elfman? Not sure how to fit this into the table, though... Dom Kaos (talk) 23:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Thinking about this, couldn't there be *two* tables? Heh, heh.
There are Wiki tables that allow sorting, but that doesn't address Dom Kaos' observation, which is that there may be particular aspects worth drawing attention to. Maybe that's the nub of Kevin's original comment, that Wikipedia isn't a database project. WP:NOT, especially "Excessive listing of statistics." Piano non troppo (talk) 10:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the more I look at the article, the more I feel the table to be completely redundant: as Piano non troppo points out, WP isn't a database project, and over half the people listed in the table only get two crosses (I think it's over half: I counted 13, but to be honest, I get dizzy if I look at the thing for any length of time!) The fact that Burton has several artistes with whom he has often worked is pretty much covered in the two sentences immediately above the table anyhow. I propose that (1) we just get rid of the table: and (2) we change that preceding section so it reads thus:

Recurring collaborators
Burton often casts certain actors more than once in his films. Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter, Christopher Lee, Deep Roy, Michael Gough, Jeffrey Jones and Michael Keaton are amongst his most frequent of collaborators. In addition to this, to date all but two of Burton's films have had music scored by Danny Elfman.

Any other opinions on this? Dom Kaos (talk) 19:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No comments after three weeks, so I'm cutting it from the article and pasting it here (including the corrected information regarding Martin Landau, as mentioned below by Azat)
~dom Kaos~ (talk) 16:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm ok on removing the table. Too bad I spent 30 minutes cleaning up, first. Lol. Piano non troppo (talk) 07:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Not to belabor this indefinitely, but that table is similar to the one in Police Academy (franchise). Piano non troppo (talk) 14:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

(REMOVED SECTION STARTS HERE)

kinka usher

Is Kinka Usher a real person or is it just Tim Burton under a false name? http://www.stlbeacon.org/lens_november_2009/mystery_men_and_tim_burton

Or, did Tim Burton direct Mystery Men? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.35.171.212 (talk) 03:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

missing Nightmare

How can The Nightmare Before Christmas be absent from Tim Burton's career info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.240.210 (talk) 06:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Indeed ! 217.132.91.223 (talk) 22:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I've restored the text that was deleted on 3 November 2009. It seems to have gone unnoticed. Mindmatrix 18:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Helena Bonham Carter?

Why is there nothing about their relationship, which includes one son and one upcoming child? They aren't technically married, but they do have a relationship, and it's included in Carter's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarchonihilist (talk • contribs) 01:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Now there is, in the Personal Life bit. TakaraLioness (talk) 15:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
The dates of their children's births have got to be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisbuzzard (talk • contribs) 17:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tim this is Dianne Postal

Hi just wanted to say hello to Tim we were friends in High School.. good old days never forget.. love Dianne Postal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.14.252 (talk) 01:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

William or Walter?

Can anybody provide a definite, reliable source on whether Timothy Burton's middle name is William or Walter? It seems ridiculous that his middle name gets constantly changed back and forth. If you think you have a good, reliable source (probably best in book form), cite it here or in the article. Nageh (talk) 10:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Here are three somewhat reliable sources stating his middle name as Walter:

  1. Festival de Cannes short bio (Edit: AFP press release, reliability dubious)
  2. Tim Burton: Museum of Modern Art (MoMA)
  3. Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) Tim Burton Exhibitions (MoMA seem the most reliable of both lists)

Sources stating his middle name as William:

  1. Tim Burton Collective (reliability unknown?)
  2. IMDB (user submitted biographies)
  3. German national library (?)

If we cannot work out what his true middle name is, we should cite both, and point out the inconsistency among sources. Based on the seemingly higher reliability for the sources citing his middle name as Walter, maybe we should take that, and add a footnote saying that other sources claim his middle name as William.

More input welcome. Nageh (talk) 11:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

There are several good reasons for not giving priority to the version more commonly found in web searches. Not the least of these reasons is the fact that a form which has been in the Wikipedia article for quite a while gets picked up by other sites and spreads, so the fact of being in a Wikipedia article becomes self-perpetuating. Do we need to give his middle name at all? It seems to me that, unless a truly reliable source can be found, it is simpler to just leave it out than to put stuff about "some sources say this and some that". That would really be unnecessary complication over a very unimportant detail, since he doesn't use his middle name anyway. (Presumably if he did we would know what it is.) JamesBWatson (talk) 11:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, it seems that his middle name is information of interest to readers, as also reflected on many other sites on the web. If we leave it out, we'd constantly have to fight against others inserting either one or the other middle name back in. I think the only way to stop this is to provide the information, and I think the best way to do this is suggested above, i.e., cite his name as "Timothy Walter[1] Burton", where [1] refers to the MoMA and Festival Cannes sources and also informs the reader that other sources state his middle name as "William".
I agree with you that many sites draw information from wikipedia articles (without referencing), and as such also misinformation spreads. This is why I consider above sources citing his middle name as Walter (which appears less frequently on the web) as more reliable: Burton was the head of the jury of the Cannes festival 2010, and the MoMA has an exhibition, a book, and interviews on him.
Nageh (talk) 11:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
As predicted, a middle name was soon inserted back in. I'll try just leaving the initial letter for his middle name, and adding a footnote that provides further information regarding his full name. Let's see how this works out. Nageh (talk) 20:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi everybody, I just want to let you know that his middle name is definitely "Walter". Beeing the author of a full-length study on Burton's work, I corresponded with the curator of the "Tim Burton at MoMA" exhibition. He said they wanted to state his name as "Timothy William" in the catalogue at first, refering to many online and book sources. However, one of the first things Tim’s office did was to correct the MoMA people about this. They confirmed that his middle name is "Walter". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.59.122.219 (talk) 14:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Vincent - Producer

The text claims that the film short _Vincent_ was produced by an unamed girlfriend of Burton, and that they broke up after the film release. However, the credited producer of _Vincent_ is Rick Heinrichs.[1] Thus, the passage should either be removed, and replaced with the correct information, or given a credible citation, with an explanation for the conflicting credit.

References

  1. ^ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084868/fullcredits#cast



Why isnt't Michelle Pfeiffer on this list????? just wants to know...:/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loopia1 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Ignatios2000 (talk) 03:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Sequel and prequel to 9

As I have tried to say to the anonymous IP editor (User:65.95.55.28‎0), the adding of the prequel and sequel of 9 to the filmography section, especially without a reference and a "TBA" release date, violates WP:CRYSTAL and WP:V. I am reverting it, unless someone can provide a source that there is actually production for the movies, and not just a, "Man, we we would love to make a sequel and a prequel!" Angryapathy (talk) 22:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

'English' ?

Isn't he born in America, to American parents, and holding US nationality? Why is he an "American-born English film director" ? Happypoems (talk) 21:29, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Elijah Wood recurring?

Elijah Wood was added to the recurring actors section, though not checked in any film ( he did voice work in 9 ). Is he in any of Burton's other films? I can't remember any and I've seen most, if not all, of his work. I might just be blanking. If not, he should not be considered "recurring" for being in a single film. - Dunc0029 (talk) 21:19, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Planet of the Apes

I removed the bit about the ending of his version being closer to the novel. The novella did feature a scene *somewhat* like the ending of the movie, but it also featured a framing device that clarified the rest of the story, and didn't feature anything as obtuse as a Licoln Ape statue. The book was great, the movie was incomprehensible, and without any evidence to the contrary, the assumption has to be that the similarities are coincidental. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.232.210 (talk) 01:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Recurring actors table

I think it is about time this section is removed. The table does little and is no help whatsoever to a reader wanting to read about Tim Burton. The table also lengthens the page across, pushing it over the screens dimensions. This page is about Tim Burton and his life, not his collaborators. Though some see it necessary as he is famous for his recurring collaborations, it does not directly relate to the man himself in a personal nor professional level. Perhaps the table would be more appropriate on a page such as; 'Tim Burton Filmography'. Otherwise I see it as nothing more than pointless trivia and just generally annoying. TunaStreet (talk) 07:30, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I support removal of the table and its overly lengthy section. If people think the table is worthwhile to retain, it definitely should be outsourced into a list-style article. However, I think a few words should be said about the fact of his recurring collaborations in this article, after all it does apply to Tim Burton as a person. Nageh (talk) 12:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I also 'support removal of this table, which is simply OR synthesis trivia. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Influenced / Influenced by

This part of the infobox is a recurring problem, where fans add their own POV assumptions of who they' think influenced Burton or who Burton influenced — virtually never giving any citation as to where these claims came from. That's because mostly they came from nowhere except the fan/editor's POV assumption. This infobox section in general, throughout WP:FILM articles, is a dumping ground for such uncited claims. It may be time to rethink its inclusion. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

in the Personal life section...

I've just made several edits to the article while reading through it; grammatical edits, and for clarity or brevity. But I also happened to come across a sentence in the Personal section which, though I came to understand its probable meaning, reads like a typo, or at least potentially confusing to anyone paying attention. In referring to his relationship with Depp, Burton is quoted there as stating: "...He is a brother, a friend, my godson's father..." Am I the only one noticing something confusing about the wording there? It states in the sentence prior to that, that Depp is the godfather to Burton's two sons, but there's no prior mention of Burton also being the godfather of Depp's son.

So is Burton actually stating in a dyslexic, backward way that he is godfather to Depp's son? If so, shouldn't there be some mention prior to that, for clarity?

Or, is it Burton's own lip-slip of "my sons' godfather"?? Or wiki editor's typo?

Me just going batty? Either way, not an edit I'm prepared to make myself at the moment so I just thought I'd point it out here. Penwatchdog (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Martin Scorcese reference

At the end of the section called 'Early career/The 1980s' are the following lines:

'Producer Griffin Dunne approached Burton to direct After Hours (1985), a comedy about a bored word processor who survives a crazy night in SoHo, which had been passed over by Martin Scorsese. However, when financing for The Last Temptation of Christ fell through, Burton bowed out of the project out of respect for Scorsese.'

The logic is very confusing. This is the only mention of Scorcese or The Last Temptation of Christ and it simply isn't clear how the financing for that film affected Burton's decision about whether or not to direct After Hours (or how or why Burton's supposed respect for Scorcese manifests in this way - the claim is also unsourced). I don't know anything about it personally so I can't edit it - I just wanted to alert people to the confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlefang (talk • contribs) 15:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The "After Hours" wikipedia article has the same issue. It says "The film was originally to be directed by Tim Burton, but Scorsese read the script at a time when he was unable to get financial backing to complete The Last Temptation of Christ, and Burton gladly stepped aside when Scorsese expressed interest in directing", but no evidence is given. I have researched about it but I cannot find any reliable source for this piece of information. A couple of books about Scorsese talk about producer Griffin Dunne, but they don't quote Tim Burton in any way. LaraGiux (talk) 20:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Addition of POV claims

There has been a spate of recent edits citing Burton as "one of the most significant and influential filmmakers in cinema history". This claim has been added several times now (see [2], [3], [4] & [5]), sometimes accompanied by a poor quality blog type sources (such as brainz.org and Wordpress). I honestly think this is overstating the claim (he is a well regarded director of populist mainstream fare) but we are not exactly talking Hitchcock or John Ford here. Regardless, such claims need to be consistent with Wikipedia's WP:Verifiability policy, meaning they need to be attributed to a reliable source. We have strict criteria for what constitutes a reliable source and blog style websites do not meet this criteria per WP:BLOGS. Generally we look to books or academic writings authored by suitably qualified experts in the field for claims of this nature; you can find more information on what constitutes a reliable source a Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Betty Logan (talk) 10:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more. These edits do not belong in an encyclopedia unless they can be backed up with WP:SECONDARY WP:RS. I am not sure why they are still at this since I was told that WikiP is a bad encyclopedia. MarnetteD|Talk 12:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2015

this section

While at Disney in 1982, Burton made his first short, Vincent, a six-minute black-and-white stop motion film based on a poem written by the filmmaker, and depicting a young boy who fantasizes that he is his hero Vincent Price, with Price himself providing narration. The film was produced by Rick Heinrichs, whom Burton had befriended while working in the concept art department at Disney. The film was shown at the Chicago Film Festival and released, alongside the teen drama Tex, for two weeks in one Los Angeles cinema. This was followed by Burton's first live-action production Hansel and Gretel, a Japanese-themed adaptation of the Brothers Grimm fairy tale for the Disney Channel, which climaxes in a kung fu fight between Hansel and Gretel and the witch. Having aired once in 1983 at 10:30 pm on Halloween and promptly shelved, prints of the film are extremely difficult to locate, fueling rumors that the project did not exist. The short would finally go on public display in 2009 at the Museum of Modern Art, and again in 2011 as part of the Tim Burton art exhibit at LACMA.

has zero citations Buck54321 (talk) 03:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

 Done that section and another tagged as "citation needed" - Arjayay (talk) 15:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

DVD info

IMO the DVD info for Batman Forever is not relevant to this article. It could go in the article for the film as long as it is reliably sourced. MarnetteD|Talk 15:11, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Content in wrong section?

Burton was the President of the Jury for the 63rd annual Cannes Film Festival, held from May 12 to 24, 2010 in Cannes, France.

This is in the "Personal life" section. Shouldn't it be in the "Awards" section?--Mr. Guye (talk) 23:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

IMO not really. It was a job that he was given and not an award that he was presented with. I would leave it where it is. OTOH the item in the sentence above that about the "Chevalier of Arts and Letters" is an award and could be moved though it would need a sub-header to distinguish it from the awards for the films. MarnetteD|Talk 00:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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The readers are stupid

That is the statement from Wikipedia when they include a sound spelling for Burton, a name easy to pronounce like Salk or Ryan which you had for a long time. Burton, you actually think there are people incapable of pronouncing Burton? How disgustingly condescending of all of you.--68.192.236.111 (talk) 15:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Coming from a city whose name is pronounced very differently by English speakers from different parts of the world, these statements of certainty about pronunciations fascinate me. I think I might agree with you about Burton, though I definitely wouldn't be so certain, but I absolutely disagree about Salk. Not so sure about Ryan. Your IP address geolocates to the United States. Have you been to the United Kingdom, or Australia, or South Africa? They all speak English, but the pronunciations of many very common words are very different. Are you going to argue that they are wrong? HiLo48 (talk) 22:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Fake news about future projects

Can you finally remove the unfounded IMDb gossip about Beetlejuice II? Tim Burton has no concrete plans for a sequel and the tittle-tattle by some actors doesn't belong on this site. --2A0A:A541:F8A:0:113:B90E:FDE7:F59B (talk) 19:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

'Aspergers'

The Personal Life section currently says: "Tim Burton has admitted to having Asperger's Syndrome[67 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ouch/2005/11/tim_burton_an_aspie.html#:~:text=She%20goes%20on%20to%20say,people%20have%20application%20and%20dedication]"

That 'source' is extremely skeptical of his 'diagnosis' and does not back it up. The sentence is also worded weirdly.

I would suggest it would be better as something like 'Ex-defacto actress Helena Bonam Carter claimed she recognised traits of Aspergers Syndrome in Burton and further claimed that he agreed.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.36.178 (talk) 03:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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Burton's next directorial venture

Tim Burton is also directing all episodes of the Nerflix series Wednesday (it's also listed in the Career subtopic, link is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wednesday_(TV_series) ). Requesting someone to add it to his filmography. Billuhero287 (talk) 11:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

It's listed on Tim Burton filmography#Television and so doesn't need to listed of this more-focussed list too. Klbrain (talk) 11:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Comments in 2016 Bustle Interview on Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children

https://www.bustle.com/articles/186641-tim-burton-explains-why-miss-peregrines-home-for-peculiar-children-features-a-predominantly-white-cast Burton's comments in their entirety are linked here. Regardless of personal opinions on the matter, the backlash to these comments has been extensive and well-documented and thus I think deserves a mention as this is information that many people looking into Burton would likely appreciate. Burton has also been criticized for purportedly exclusively casting Black people in antagonistic roles (link here: https://nypost.com/2022/11/30/tim-burtons-wednesday-called-racist-for-casting-black-actors-as-bullies/). Basicwhitebach (talk) 20:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

For controversial material about living people, strong sources are required. On Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, Bustle is listed as only semi-reliable, and the New York Post is considered "generally unreliable". Do you have any stronger sources for the claims? Cerebral726 (talk) 21:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
considering that the comment that generated controversy was made to a Bustle reporter, I think that is the best source to cite as it is the most direct/primary one. Good point about the NYPost though, I'll look into it when I have the time. Basicwhitebach (talk) 21:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
That source could appropriately be used to directly cite the comments, but don't necessarily establish the importance of the comments and the reactions to them, given Bustle's reliability status. Cerebral726 (talk) 21:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
@Basicwhitebach secondary sources are better. If this was "of note" then other reputable sources should have written about it. Given this happened back in 2016, online sources may no longer be easily available so I suggest checking library resources. Both Proquest and Gale are easily accessible to long-term Wikipedia editors so maybe start with them but any will do as long as enough information is provided so editors can find/assess it (speaking of archive.org may also be option). S0091 (talk) 21:54, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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