Talk:Turkmenistan

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WP:NOTAFORUM, nothing to do with article improvements. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
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how is CORONAVIRUS affecting this country? so they know what CORONAVIRUS is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.191.14 (talk) 21:04, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Reverting war

How can I report this to admins to lock the page? Someone corrects the simple mistake regarding the official name of the country, but someone reverts this back to make a name of some fantasy state ("WP:NOR"). As of now, the official name of the state is just "Turkmenistan". And I didn't manage to find anything about the name change. It seems that the name "Republic of Turkmenistan" simply never existed. Faust-RSI (talk) 21:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

A discussion needs to be opened here. If consensus has been reached, the name can be changed. Edit-warring is not a valid avenue of consensus building, therefore I have protected the page.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

What discussion? What consensus? Are you feeling alright? It's not a name change, it's a simple mistake-correction. "Republic of Turkmenistan" has never existed, there is NOTHING to discuss here. Some moron made a mistake while writing an article and now you are here to open discussion about this mistake? Unbelievable. Faust-RSI (talk) 16:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Faust-RSI: Easy, i would suggest you to calm down. If, as you said, the name "Republic of Turkmenistan" simply never existed, then how do you explain this, this or this ?---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Neither is an official source. The ONLY source for the names of almost ANY country is its constitution. Turkmenistan constitution is available in English, this is the only reliable source. Period. It doesn't call the country "Republic of Turkmenistan", neither any official Turkmenistan institution does. And the main institution in almost any country translating the OFFICIAl info on the country abroad is the MFA. Here: https://www.mfa.gov.tm/en Faust-RSI (talk)

Also, it's pretty ridiculous that you've asked me to explain "sources" such as bloomberg, some Azerbaijan webpage etc. and provided NOT EVEN ONE official Turkmenistan source. But I did this for you. Please, refer to official sources and stop this reverting vandalism.Faust-RSI (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, we don't go by "official" sources, but independent, reputable sources. The Library of Congress is certainly one; here are a few more: Political Handbook of the World 2016-2017; Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States: Documents, Data, and Analysis; Turkmenistan: Strategies of Power, Dilemmas of Development. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 17:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Then it is not "officially" but "also called". Beshogur (talk) 17:26, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sangdeboeuf: This is not the case and it seems you have little understanding of what you are talking about. If you want to write an OFFICIAL name you NEED to go by OFFICIAL source, simple as that. Anything else is also possible, as @Beshogur: stated, you can add something like "also called" if really needed.Faust-RSI (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Faust-RSI, I decided not to block your account for edit-warring, but if you continue like this I will block it for personal attacks. Please assume a respectful tone. Nobody is calling you names here.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm not sure what you're saying is "not the case". Do you mean that we prefer independent sources? If so, I've provided a link to the policy that says it is the case. If you want to make an exception for national consistutions, I suggest you take it up at the policy talk page. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: say what you want, you have already been reported for vandalism and abuse of your admin powers. @Sangdeboeuf: What's so hard to understand? If you want an OFFICIAL name, you look into OFFICIAL source, that is the case in EVERY other article, for example Russia - there is a link to CONSTITUTION, not to bloomberg, lol Another good example is Georgia_(country). Show me an article (except for this one) where the official name is available, but Wiki uses some other name from some other "reliable" resources. Faust-RSI (talk) 17:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Before making judgement. He might be right about that. Just cheked Turkish constitution (link), article starts with "The Republic of Turkey", of Kazakhstan (link) article 1: "The Republic of Kazakhstan", while Turkmen (link) article 1: "Turkmenistan is a", while it only states it's a republic. The official name isn't Republic of Turkmenistan. Beshogur (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

As I see it, the problem here that in Turkmenistan case (why only this poor country???) some people here claim that constitution is nothing, there are more important "reliable" sources, lol Faust-RSI (talk) 18:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The problem is this discussion has been filled with attacks and abuse rather than actual discussion. You may find a convivial attitude would result in much more productivity. CMD (talk) 18:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Being threatened with a ban for trying to correct an obvious mistake is not a good way to create "a convivial attitude".Faust-RSI (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The Library of Congress source is from 2007 and gives the official name as Republic of Turkmenistan. Meanwhile Britannica currently gives it as Turkmenistan. The name may have changed with the 2008 constitution, but so far I haven't seen a source confirming this. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

While the name could in fact be changed in 2008, I wasn't able to find a source that would confirm the "Republic of Turkmenistan" ever existed. The Library of Congress is not a source for the OFFICIAL names of the counties, only their constitutions are. Maybe this is the version of 1992 constitution, I am not sure. But it also doesn't have "Republic" in the nameFaust-RSI (talk) 18:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I wasn't able to find a source that would confirm the "Republic of Turkmenistan" ever existed. I've just given you several. The Library of Congress is not a source for the OFFICIAL names of the count[r]ies... As I said, you can take that up at WT:V. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

In the history section, the source for the name "Republic of Turkmenistan" actually never calls it that. You either should change the source to the one of these "several", or delete this sentence altogether. None of your sources proves the name was like this from 1992 to 2008, but maybe I've missed something. Faust-RSI (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

See page 1554 of the source, where the phrase "Republic of Turkmenistan" is helpfully highlighted. The full quote is: "Declared independence as Republic of Turkmenistan on October 27, 1991; new constitution adopted May 18, 1992". —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

FWIW the UN explicitly records the formal name as simply "Turkmenistan". The 1992 UN application does not use Republic, as opposed to say Uzbekistan's. Maybe it's a hangover from its time as a Soviet Republic? CMD (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

All the 'provinces' of the Soviet Union were called republics. The name republic also indicates you are not dealing with a monarchy. It's all a bit silly, fighting about this. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:14A2:E4F1:5513:2D (talk) 07:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@CMD: It certainly is a hangover. But for these people the UN is not a "reliable" source, it seems. Faust-RSI (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Not a single person in this discussion has claimed at any point that the UN is not a reliable source. CMD (talk) 18:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Then read the discussion again. The UN is as official as it can get, but by someone "On Wikipedia, we don't go by "official" sources", thus for him(her) UN is not a reliable source for Wiki. Faust-RSI (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

No, that was a response to your comment, "Neither is an official source. The ONLY source for the names of almost ANY country is its constitution...It doesn't call the country 'Republic of Turkmenistan', neither any official Turkmenistan institution does." You're using "official" to mean two different things now. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:31, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The recent addition of the text "Since its independence, the official name of the country is Turkmenistan (Türkmenistan / Түркменистан) and it was accepted to the UN by this name" is not supported by the source. The country declared independence in 1991; the source records the name as of 20 January 1992. The source is the country's application for UN membership, not a document of acceptance into the UN. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 20:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Faust-RSI has provided a link on their user talk to this Russian Wikisource document "Constitutional Law of Turkmenistan on Independence and the Foundations of the State System of Turkmenistan dated 10.27.1991", as a source for the official name of the nascent republic. I haven't been able to find another copy on the web (unsurprisingly, given the date and geopolitical context). The document ends with a web address pointing to the site ruhnama.info, which seems like a definite red flag (the Ruhnama is the combination autobiography/revisionist history by Turkmenistan's first president, Saparmurat Niyazov: basically Turkmenistan's version of Mao's Little Red Book). I don't think we can use this as a source, since there are published, independent, secondary sources that contradict it, and there's no way to know if it's genuine without finding an offline copy somewhere, if that's even possible. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

A primary source in another language would not address the English name either. That said, I haven't found any indication that the country changed it's formal name to just "Turkmenistan" after joining the UN, so it may be what it used from the very beginning. CMD (talk) 13:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The English name is just a transliteration of the name in the original language. I don't think that's the main issue. Yes, the name might have been Turkmenistan from the date of independence; my point is that we don't have a source besides this one (questionable) document confirming that, yet. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Not every country simply transliterates its name to translate into different languages, so I don't think we should assume this would be the case, especially given we have potentially contradictory sources. CMD (talk) 16:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Not landlocked

It mentions having the Caspian Sea on the west. I guess since it a considered an inland body of water, it is landlocked. Phecht7 (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

One definition I found for "landlocked" is "confined to inland waters"-- but that applies to fish.

The Caspian Sea is international waters, and there are two countries you can sail to from Turkmenistan that don't border it (Georgia and Azerbaijan). Whether it's technically landlocked seems debatable to me, but it's not quite what I think of when you say "landlocked country"; I don't think the article should lead with it. I think it would be better to say "Turkmenistan is a Central Asian country bordered by Iran, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kajikhistan, and the Caspian Sea".2600:6C50:800:2787:5CBE:F20E:73AB:C5B6 (talk) 22:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree fully. I'm not sure why it says "landlocked". The country is by definition NOT landlocked. This is a mistake and should be changed. 2601:8C:501:6D00:B098:454C:A72E:AD71 (talk) 19:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

No mention of Military

Why is there no mention of the Armed Forces of Turkmenistan on this page? Shouldn't that be added?KingAntenor (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

just edit it on, or did wikipedia not allow anyone to edit it incase of greifing? Aroundtheworld12345 (talk) 21:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The status of the Russian language in Turkmenistan.

The Russian language has no official status in Turkmenistan. Why is the Russian language indicated as "the language of inter-ethnic communication" in the infobox? According to the constitution of Turkmenistan, the Russian language is not the official language of inter-ethnic communication in the country. According to the country's constitution, only Turkmen is the official language of the country. Several languages are listed as Spoken languages in the infobox. Russian is also listed as a Spoken language in the infobox and this is correct and should remain unchanged. The field Russian as the "language of inter-ethnic communication" in the infobox should be deleted.

The sentence "Turkmen is the official language of Turkmenistan (per the 1992 Constitution), although Russian still is widely spoken in cities as a language of inter-ethnic communication." does not fit into an encyclopaedia article as this sentence is a valuation in favour of the Russian language. As a result, this article is not neutral and not objective and therefore this article violates the rules of Wikipedia. The sentence would read better "Turkmen is the official language of Turkmenistan (per the 1992 Constitution)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A546:FC1C:0:E848:DE6A:5967:6AF7 (talk) 09:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

March 2022 election

Serdar Berdimuhamedow is the newly elected president. Nangaf (talk) 20:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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hello

i am not getting the info i need BUDDYINGI153 (talk) 07:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Population statistics are inconsistent

Is it 6.5 Million or 7+ Million? 2601:647:4400:4890:28DD:8E0A:ABC:E689 (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Old reference sources

I have noticed almost all sources cited on this page are at least 10 years old, most are almost 20 years old, and a few are 30. I wonder whether the representation of this country is still accurate? I can’t think of another country where 20 year-old social and political observations would be treated as current. I wonder whether, at least, this page should be flagged as needing updates? FionaWeir1 (talk) 09:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)