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Hegel and Mann[edit]

Somone deleted Hegel and Mann from the list, although these intellectuals have exerted a powerful influence over Conservatism. The user told me to "take it to the Talk page". Very well. I will provide sources that qualify their representation.

In The History of European Conservative Thought (2019), an entire section of 5 pages are dedicated to Mann the conservative. He is noted as one of the most prominent conservative thinkers in Germany. It is true that he changed philosophy later in life, but that is also why I put a "early" in parenthesis. This should not be controversial; it is a standard convention on Wikipedia.

As for Hegel, his influence on conservative thinkers and politicians is powerful. The most prominent conservative philosopher of modern times, Roger Scruton, named Hegel his primarily influence. And one of the most prominent conservative politicians, Benjamin Disraeli, was influenced by Hegel when creating his one-nation-conservatism movement.

Especially Hegel's work Elements of the Philosophy of Right (1820), in which he presents his concept about Sittlichkeit, is thoroughly conservative in its belief in family values, civil society, constitutional monarchy, and authoritarian state.

The most prominent political scientists in my country Sweden all agree in giving Hegel a firm place in the conservative tradition: liberal Herbert Tingsten called him the greatest counter-revolutionary next to Burke,^[1] and marxist Sven-Eric Liedman said that Hegel only can be characterized as a political conservative and calls him the greatest conservative thinker.^[2] In Modern konservatism (2020), a large work on conservatism, Hegel is presented as the second most important thinker next to Burke and is dedicated an entire chapter on 40 pages. Hegel also influenced all the major conservative thinkers in Sweden: Christopher Jacob Boström, Erik Gustaf Geijer, Harald Hjärne, Rudolf Kjellén, etc.^[3] Trakking (talk) 18:58, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Tingsten, Herbert (1966). De konservativa idéerna. Aldus/Bonniers. pp. 18 and 74. OCLC 1166587654. Retrieved 2021-05-28.
^ Liedman, Sven-Eric (2004). Från Platon till kommunismens fall : de politiska idéernas historia. Albert Bonniers Förlag. pp. 164 and 146. ISBN 91-0-058167-4. OCLC 56203418. Retrieved 2021-05-28.
^ Elvander, Nils (1961). Harald Hjärne och konservatismen : konservativ idédebatt i Sverige 1865-1922. Almqvist & Wiksell [distributör]. pp. 54–55, 81, 262 and 469. OCLC 186568348. Retrieved 2021-05-28.

Constantin Fehrenbach[edit]

@Trakking I'm currently working on expanding the Constantin Fehrenbach article, mostly with translation from the German wiki. All of the quite liberal actions I noted will be included in the update, with no conservative stances to be found there or any other sources I'm aware of. I don't see that one statement in the current article, which is not supported by any detail in the source quoted, overrides the specifics I noted. There's also the point that with the possible exception of Stresemann, Fehrenbach was decidedly not in the same camp as the other Weimar era politicians in the conservatism template (Hugenberg, Papen, Schleicher).

I'd like you to reconsider your revert. GHStPaulMN (talk) 11:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. There are other strands of conservatism that seem to fit Fehrenbach's profile—for example liberal conservatism, anti-extremist moderate conservatism, and anti-leftist versions of Christian democracy. Fehrenbach seems to be a classical conservative in the same vein of people like Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. Trakking (talk) 11:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. This is outside my knowledge base, so I'll bow out at this point. Thanks. GHStPaulMN (talk) 14:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Tingsten, Herbert (1966). De konservativa idéerna. Aldus/Bonniers. pp. 18 and 74. OCLC 1166587654. Retrieved 2021-05-28.

[2] Liedman, Sven-Eric (2004). Från Platon till kommunismens fall : de politiska idéernas historia. Albert Bonniers Förlag. pp. 164 and 146. ISBN 91-0-058167-4. OCLC 56203418. Retrieved 2021-05-28.

[3] Elvander, Nils (1961). Harald Hjärne och konservatismen : konservativ idédebatt i Sverige 1865-1922. Almqvist & Wiksell [distributör]. pp. 54–55, 81, 262 and 469. OCLC 186568348. Retrieved 2021-05-28.

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