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Pick a state...

I was curious which state's politics you were interested in, then I thought: you should add Ambi, or whichever state you're in. For one thing, you'll hear about meetups. Cheers, Singkong2005 00:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm already easily distracted enough, and I don't follow the details of NSW politics. I could give you my opinion on politicians... Arthur Chesterfield-Evans, Lee Rhiannon = very admirable. Scully = bastard. NPOV would be much harder. Maybe try User:Joestella, though he seems more into government structure.

Keep up the good work. --Singkong2005 03:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I asked...

For some diffs to support the way you're seeing me. I really meant that. I did so because I see you doing lots of good work, work that I approve of, and think that we could get along.

The worst that could happen if that you make me see that you're right about me being a "process wonk" and I change my ways.

brenneman^(t)(c) 07:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I was about to tell you about, oh, you've already found it...

Wikipedia:WikiProject Geelong - hopefully this might bring articles relating to home up to par. Thanks for joining the effort. -- Longhair 08:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

FAC

I suppose it's a little like the Douglas Corrigan page on FAC here [1] sometimes there is just not enough information about a figure to make a Featured article. I know this is not the answer you want, but I do feel a biography has to be just that not just a brief "What made her famous". Since the Corrigan page failed FAC Theo has dug about for ages and found all sorts of new stuff, and I think that page is almost there. I hope you can do the same. Perhaps others will not agree with me and the page will sail through. Good luck with it. Giano | talk 09:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Cynna Neele

I'm not entirely sure, either, except that, at present, the article is short-ish for an FA, so perhaps a few contextual sentences as you go along would help. For example, in your note on my page, you gave me some sense of where the women's sport is in Australia. There may be a way of integrating that kind of material into the article without alienating readers who know the sport well. For example, "Even though netball is one of the most widely played sports in Australia, the players rarely reach the level of celebrity found in participants in other sports, and when, in 2001, Cynna Neele scored....." Something along those lines, so fans get a sense of, "Gosh, we should have paid more attention" and outsiders get information. Anyway, I'm not at all sure that this is helping, but I am trying to help. ;-) Geogre 13:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll re-read the article and see if I can think of more. However, one thing that does come to mind is placing her in the context of her sport as well. For example, is it usual for the players to be college students or unusual? If usual, you can work that into an introductory clause ("Like most of the national team players, Neele was a full-time student..."), and if unusual the same ("Unlike the other players on the team, Neele played while still a university student"). Then some context of the sport itself: putting her into great games, great achievements, and whether her work was surpassed quickly or slowly -- just stuff to explain what makes her special. I will, though, see if there is more I can suggest. Geogre 13:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Another motion to move Yom Kippur War

I just wanted to notify some of the people who voted in the previous poll a few weeks ago that another motion to move Yom Kippur War has been made. See Talk:Yom_Kippur_War#Requested_move - Raul654 23:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Tbilisi Page Views

Hi Ambi. Happy New Year! I wanted to ask you whether it's possible to tell or know how many visits the Tbilisi page receives. For instance, are there daily, weekly, or monthly statistics on how many people visit that page? Thanks, D.Papuashvili 12:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Cynna Neele

I'm giving this article some tweaks to help give it the push it needs. Whilst to most, she's not a regular newsworthy person, I'm a believer than any article can and should become a FA if it meets the criteria, so let's try to get this one there. Any tweaks you may not like, feel free to edit to your tastes. -- Longhair 01:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I tried linking goal attack and goal shooter, but that'd only give you more redlinks to combat ;). Any chance you could create a stub with those? It'd help. -- Longhair 01:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Ambi/Drafts/Tanya Gadiel

Very good! Can you add sources though? - Ta bu shi da yu 04:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation links

Hi Ambi - I respect that you are an experienced editor, however, I am not sure if you are aware of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Your recent edit of Hume included a lot of wikilinks not related to disambiguation, whereas the style guideline recommends avoiding extraneous links (internal or external). Regards--A Y Arktos 07:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

You as well

Last time I was around you had given up on everyone. When I came back, I checked your activity first, and was pleased to see that you were back also. Capital L life sunk its claws into me there for a while, but back in control now. Until my daughter is born in a couple of weeks, so maybe not for long.

I trust that you blitzed 1st year?

--SilasM 14:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Too much netball I suppose. My daughter won't be allowed to play that vicous game. Last time I tried it I nearly got my leg broken.--SilasM 14:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

You sound like me in my former life. I failed property in the year I spend organising demos against the austudy loans scheme, and getting myself elected to office in NUS. And yes, living in college was no help at all. Hope you get it sorted out this year. I would junk the college stuff, but stick with the politics in some form or other. Look me up if you decide to apply for articles.--SilasM 14:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom elections

Ambi, I was perusing the ArbCom elections pages and noticed you cited the lack of questions for Nandesuka as one of your reasons for your vote. That isn't his/her fault; the questions page was incorrectly linked because of a mix-up (everything was moved to a different page to make it a subpage of the elections), and that link didn't get fixed. I apologize for that; I just thought I'd point out to you for your information that the candidate does, indeed, have a statement and questions page. Hope you don't mind, and thanks for your understanding! Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I just wanted to make sure that you were aware. Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Cynna Neele FAC

I've replied to your objection. I'll see what I can do about adding height information to the article, but I'm afraid the rest is pretty unactionable. Ambi 01:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it's tricky - generally I'm happy to object if the article is poorly written or is obviously missing information. It's neither however, just not very satisfying as a biography - I guess it's an easier job when they're dead. The obvious improvement (pic) is clearly not an overnight thing, and I agree it shouldn't hold up proceedings. --zippedmartin 01:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello.

I understand that you voted oppose on me in the ArbCom elections, and I respect that, but I would like to ask for you to elaborate on your comment While I greatly respect this user personally, his suggestions here call for a definite opppose on policy grounds. Just out of curiosity, which suggestions are those. Thanks —Ilyanep (Talk) 03:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I didn't make myself quite clear. As I stated in my questions section, I meant that we need to use topical bans at first. I think that in some cases it helps good editors calm down and focus on something else, but if that fails, then we need to use hard bans.

The problem is that using hard bans right away might make good editors go away as well, if they've been caught in an unfortunate dilemma. Also, it doesn't seem like many of the trouble makers were assigned to mentors or anything, which might help as well.

In any case, you are entitled to your vote. Thank you for explaining. —Ilyanep (Talk) 03:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, well I see where you're coming from as well. Nice talking with you and thank you for replying. —Ilyanep (Talk) 03:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

shopping centres in newcastle

Hi Ambi. When we were working up a frenzy with canberra Suburbs, i seem to recall that you expressed an interest in shopping centre articles. Could you please take a look at the latest discussion at Talk:Newcastle, new South Wales. There are a lot of mentions of shopping centres in the Newcastle article which probably don't belong there (IMO) but since the information is already there, it might be transferred to an articl about shopping centres in Newcastle or something. Could you please take a look and perhaps leave your comments if you have any ideas. Thanks. -- Adz|talk 03:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

After much procrastinating... (Aust Parl cat).

(Thanks for your comments on Newcastle BTW) After much procrastinating I’m going to bite the bullet and resolve the perliaments category problem. Since only you and Snottygobble contributed to the discussion I thought I’d just check with you before going ahead. Could you please take a look at our discussion Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 15#MHR Category and let me know if you agree with the last comment I made. Thanks -- Adz|talk 07:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I began typing to try to make sense of it all and came up with a lot of text, so I have transferred it to User talk:Adz/Parliaments. If you're still interested could you take a squiz? cheers. -- Adz|talk 10:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean all the subcategories listed under Category:Australian parliaments ? They would remain as they are, except that we would rename them to Category:Queensland parliaments by term to help differentiate from the institution of Parliaments. -- Adz|talk 10:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Where would the actual legislature articles be? Ambi 11:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

They'd all be under Category:Australian State parliaments (which would sit under Cat:subnational legislatures). We could also have a note at the top of Category:Queensland parliaments by term which says something like "This category lists members of the Parliament of Queensland according to terms of office. -- Adz|talk 11:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

(not sure if you want me to keep posting here of if its easier to leave it all on my talk page).

Phew! Thanks. I'm glad we sorted that one. :-) Will wait to see if Drew has anything to add. -- Adz|talk 12:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I've left my final thought for the night at User talk:Adz/Parliaments. I think we're making progress. I need to go to bed. Goodnight. -- Adz|talk 13:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Vic MPs

Such zealotry in the pursuit of truth is most admirable. I was going to spend the summer updating and cleaning up the Australian sections of psephos, but I decided to go backbacking around Laos instead. Cheers Adam 15:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Bad decision !

Hi Ambi: When most people log on they are taken to the Main Page, and the ArbCom vote link should be on EVERY article, putting it on watchlists marginalizes it, and if you have a rule that users need to be active for a few months then their vote won't be registered regardless of what page they come from. At this stage it's more important to educate new users and the public about an important vote taking place within Wikipedia than to have the request for MONEY on every page which makes Wikipedia look greedy after they just raised around $300,000, don't you think? Get rid of the merchandising and commercializing junk and mention the ArbCom stuff that is more to the core of what Wikipedia is about, a participatory effort and not just a scheme to raise money. Some of us are having trouble writing and editing articles with that flashing "Dollar sign" on top of every page. I hope you understand the importance of this. It's about the kind of image Wikipedia wants to project about itself, and someone has made a bad decision here lately it seems to me. IZAK 18:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Francs2000's Bureaucratship

Thanks for your support on my request for bureaucratship.

The final outcome was (70/5/0), so I am now a bureaucrat. I seriously didn't expect so many good comments from everybody and I appreciated the constructive criticism from those that gave it. If you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as a bureaucrat then please leave me a note. -- Francs2000 21:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Members of Parliament lists and categories

Adam Adz and Ambi,

Category:Members of the Australian Senate contains article on Senators, but article Members of the Australian Senate contains lists of Senators for each Parliament, and is not even a member of the category that shares its name. This is counterintuitive and I don't like it. Once category Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives is populated it will have the same problem. And the problem occurs for Category:Members of the Western Australian Legislative Assembly versus article Members of the Western Australian Legislative Assembly, and the same for the Legislative Council category and article, and probably also for the other states.

My proposal for fixing this is

1. rename articles Members of the Whatever to List of Members of the Whatever;
2. rename articles Members of the Whatever, 2000-2005 to List of Members of the Whatever, 2005-2005;
3. rename Category:Australian parliaments to Category:Lists of Members of Australian Parliaments (Adam, there is a proposal to recycle Category:Australian parliaments into a category that would hold Parliament of Western Australia, Parliament of Queensland, etc, under discussion at User talk:Adz/Parliaments)

I realise that Ambi has written a lot of Members of the Whatever articles and that it would take a while to fix it. If you are happy with this proposal, I am happy to do the work. Alternatively, are there any counterproposals?

Since I've posted this message on three talk pages, I'll post it on my talk page too, and I suggest we hold this discussion there. Drew (Snottygobble | Talk) 01:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I've put together a draft proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics/Parliaments. Could you both have a look at it and make any changes you see necessary. (perhaps strike old text so we can follow what changes have been made). When we're all happy with it we can transfer it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics/Parliaments. I may not be around an awful lot over the next couple of days but I don't mind who does this once we have agreement. -- Adz|talk 05:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I have moved it for Adz because it was in the (Main) namespace. -- RHaworth 06:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much. Chuq and I drew up the politicians-by-party categorisation scheme between ourselves on IRC, and I mass added it to several hundred articles that night - no one has complained much since. :) (and thanks for the note on my talk page - I've dropped that user a note). Ambi 06:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but I think I agree with Drew. It won't hurt, if nobody comments then nobody comments, but at least people won't get their noses out of joint. And they may have something valuable to contribute. I think when we've agreed on what it should look like, we should put a nte up at AWNB and the politics Wikiproject as Drew suggested refering them to the talk page where it is all outlined. -- Adz|talk 01:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

your vote on my arbcom nomination

Hi, I saw you voted oppose due to my candidacy statement and/or my answers to the questions presented.. I think you have a fair comment, and I have expanded on my replies to questions already given as well as adding more info into my candidacy statement and answered some new questions. I would be grateful if you could re-read my questions page. If you have any additional questions or inquiries please add them to that page or ask me on my talk page and I will answer them as soon as I possibly can. Jtkiefer^{T | C | @} ---- 02:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Rosstown and email

Ambi - I sent a few emails to the address given on one of these talk pages by you but got no reply. After refining Rosstown Railway I'm still keen to do an article on Ross himself and/or Rosstown so if you want to compare notes, email me at CitizenDee at gmail dot com. Citizen D 07:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Admin. Incident Page Comment Rebuttal

Ambi. I'm human and being human means I make "mistakes". I post this rebuttal to let you know that I found your comment on the Admin Incident Page unnecessary and highly offensive. I'm not going to say the things I'm thinking at the moment for it would surely get me into a ton of trouble. So I'll just kindly say good day too you. --Bumpusmills1 18:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming new user

Ambi, I have to run or I'll be late for movie/dinner. Could you do me a favour? If you're into welcome messages (I don't know if you are), could you leave a welcome note at User:Morbo's talk page. S/he has just left a comment at Talk:Fortitude Valley, Queensland and they're brand new. Thanks. -- Adz|talk 06:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Nile and other rev's

Check the not-bad article Reverend. Masalai 23:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Did you not like my compromise on the Nile page? Giving his full title as it appears on his parliamentary website seemed to have appeased Masalai, who only then tweaked it, without reinserting his outrageous PoV. Seems a simple statement of facts might end this edit war. But if you have a good argument for your position, please lets discuss it on the Fred Nile discussion page where Adam and Masalai can have their say. Nick 04:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: A favour

Sure, I'll see what I can find out tomorrow. So, specifically, you need to know who were members for Frome between 1884 and 1902?--cj | talk 08:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Yup. Fortunately, they're currently sorting through data from the late 1800s. In rather crude table form, here it is:

Member	Party	Term
Ebenezer Ward & William Copley	no party	1884–1887
Ebenezer Ward & Clement Giles	no party	1887–1890
Clement Giles & Laurence O'Loughan	Conservative & Liberal (respectively)	1890–1893
Clement Giles & Laurence O'Loughan	Conservative & Liberal (respectively)	1893–1896
Clement Giles & Laurence O'Loughan	Conservative/National Defence League & Liberal (respectively)	1896–1899
Clement Giles & Laurence O'Loughan	National Defence League & Liberal (respectively)	1899–1902

It was a multi-member electorate during this period, and they were no parties until 1890. I'm not sure how best to show this with a table, so you'll have to arrange it as you see fit. I hope it helps, ;-)--cj | talk 05:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Australia politics

Hi Ambi. Being more politically minded than I, is there anything salvagable in this article? -- Longhair 08:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, I see it's been redirected as was my original thoughts. The user is now vandalising. -- Longhair 08:51, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

my RfA

Thanks. WikiThanks.

I would like to express my thanks to all the good people who spent their valuable time time and effort working on my (failed) RfA voting. Especially for those who actually voted to support me :). Lets move on and make together our Wikipedia an even greater place abakharev 09:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

SEWilco

...is being a silly rules lawyer again on the UBOR. For what it's worth, I'd support banning him from proposing and vehemently arguing for such instruction creep (not to mention ignoring or using personal attacks on opposition). Would you agree and/or know of a third? Radiant_>|< 17:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

This is late, but thanks.

Hi, Ambi, thanks for reverting Zordrac's edits to my user page, I appreciate it. ^_^ Thanks again!--Sean|Black 06:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Apology?

"You're becoming as bad as Everyking - you comment first, then think and research later if we're lucky."

Don't suppose it'd be unreasonable to expect an apology? Everyking 09:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, if I can't get an apology, at least I can amuse you. Everyking 09:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

RFC/KM

You commented on Kelly Martin's second RfC. it is up for archival. you may vote at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Kelly_Martin#Archiving_this_RfC. CastAStone|^(talk) 03:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

judges

yes, my spelling is awefull. I will try to get a complete list done this afternoon if I have time. Xtra 00:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Almost half way through writing/formatting the list. Xtra 03:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

current judges, no dates chief justices. Xtra 01:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Sarfatti

Good job. I think on the living bios, this is one of the biggest things we have to keep hammering home to people: sources, sources, sources. :-) --Jimbo Wales 04:52, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Changes to much used templates

Please use the related talk pages to discuss changes before. -- User:Docu

Comments regarding electorate "microstub"

reposted from what you left on my page... sorry for being a wiki noob but if what I'm doing by cloning similar articles isn't up to scratch please point me in the direction of a "reasonable" article to emulate. By which - I'm not a politics student and this is a microportion of my spare time so I don't want to be pointed to the most complete example of an Australian electorate. But yeah I would certainly appreciate some relevant advice on what should be included in an article on an Australain electorate. My interest is in improving articles from the area around Mount Druitt by bringing them and their direct links in line with similar articles. Garrie 21:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

So is it better yet?

Garrie 22:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

please look at & comment on Template:Electoral Districts of New South Wales Garrie 04:14, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

John Warren (convict)

Come on, any article which fails to asset notability is a CSD. User:Zoe|^(talk) 00:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Argue with any points I make, Ambi, but please do not make insinuations about my motives. I tagged those articles for deletion because I felt, and feel, they are non-notable. I don't recall sinking to accusing you or Snottygobble of demonstrating national vanity; I assume good faith on your part. Please extend to me the same courtesy. JDoorjam 03:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, listing for deletion articles one truly feels should be deleted is not on WP:POINT, which deals entirely with scenarios where one's actions are antithetical to one's true purpose. JDoorjam 03:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

You are, however, wasting everybody's time when it's patently obvious that this AfD, as with the others, is not going to succeed. The one outcome of this, it seems, is just to piss people off. Ambi 03:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

It's unfortunately apparent you're not looking to be civil, and refuse to assume good faith. The fact is, the only reason those articles will not be deleted is because you all but accused me of being a troll, and Wikipedians on AfD are notoriously distractable by ad hominem attacks. Otherwise those would even now be well on their way to being absorbed back into the aether of Wikipedia. JDoorjam 03:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Spare me. They'll be kept because they're perfectly worthwhile articles, just as the first one was before you came along and thought you'd waste more of our time. Ambi 03:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

The only waste of time, apparently, is trying to make some sort of peace with you. I edit. You edit. We don't see eye to eye on the battery of Australian convict articles. We can disagree about these things without you accusing me of aspiring to waste your time. All that I'm asking is that you don't make this personal, but that seems to be chief among your goals. You don't know me, you've never worked with me, and yet you're willing to instantly tell me what my motives are. Such hostility is far more counter-productive than anything I've done tonight. JDoorjam 04:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Zordrac

Did you block User:Zordrac? If so, why? Everyking 03:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Who did, then? He or she was complaining about you in particular, as if you were the one who did the block. And who did the detective work? What kind of evidence are we talking about here? IP matching? Everyking 05:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Afd

G'day Euseubius (or something like that ) and I think that the article Slim K is a problem, it had already been up for deletion, but for whatever reason didnt go. Could you possibly have a look and let me know what you think? I'd appreciate it. I am hoping that pointing it out so an admin might give more credence to getting it off! SatuSuro 07:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ambi, I appreciate you taking the time to look! SatuSuro 10:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Parliaments again (let's finish it)

Sorry to keep bothering both of you but I think we're just about there and I want to to finish this off. I've made a couple of changes to the proposal based on Ambi's most recent comments and I'd like to wrap this up and put a note on AWNB and the politics project page to see if others aggree or have comments to make. Then we can start changing the categories. Given the work you've both put in, I'm reluctant to go ahead until you're happy. ... so can you please take one last look? Thanks. -- Adz|talk 12:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) -- Adz|talk 13:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

South Sakhalin dispute

You deleted this article according to the deletion logs. Maybe I am bad at searching Wikipedia but I can't find any archived vfd or afd page for it. It sounds like it was a stub, but did it qualify for speedy? I can't tell because the content doesn't exist anymore. --Tokek 10:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Cyprus-TRNC

Can you please show any country that recognise other de facto states? The sittuation of TRNC is different it is recognised by Turkey and it is an observer state of Organization of the Islamic Conference. Thanks, CrashMex 10:18, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello.

I can be a bit paranoid. Or very paranoid. Either way, this comment you made during the unpleasantness between me an Freestylefrappe, I feel may have been directed at me. While I did vote support a particular candidate with the comment "Because if he's elected, Arbcom will be destroyed", it is because the arbcom is such a disaster - it was a protest vote at its most basic, not a form of genuine support at all. And "someone who defends trolls and banned users all the time" is a bit weird, as I've never defended a banned user, and the only person who may be considered a troll for whom I have voiced my support is, for better or worse, deeceevoice. Indeed, I have taken issue with other admins in the past for unblocking certain users (specifically Linuxbeak's unblocking of Brandt, Marmot, etc...). If you were not talking about me, then I apologize and give you permission to hit me over the head as many times as you wish with a large, blunt object in the event we should ever meet. If you were talking about me, I only wish to set the record straight for both our benefits. I am not wishing to start anything, and come to you in good faith. Thank you for your time. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 02:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom?

Could you please inform us at WP:ANI where the ArbCom said something about allowing Neto to work on meta-templates, because I have been unable to find it? Thanks (and please don't take that remark as meaning that he should not, because I do agree that AUM is important). Also you may want to take a look at his contribs log and count the revert wars he's involved in and the amount of incivil comments or personal attacks he's been making. I'm sure the intent of your statement on ANI was not to give him carte-blanche? Radiant_>|< 16:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Technically, he is still prohibited from editing the wikipedia and template namespaces. We have been intentionally ignoring his meta-template killing efforts because we strongly approve of those efforts. We haven't gotten around to carving out an exception for that. Raul654 16:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• • Yeah, I got that part from the RFAr page. Point is, however, that several people have been complaining about his revert warring, incivility, vindictiveness, disruption-to-make-a-point and personal attacks. Basically, all the reasons why he was under Arb injunction in the first place. Was that supposed to be part of your exception? Radiant_>|< 17:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Kerry Packer

Wtf? Revert my shit + you ain’t even give a reason??

—Wiki Wikardo

AMA

Please have a look to this convo between the former AMA coordinator and myself.

Despite my being annoyed w your presentation and positioning on matters as of late, it is very clear that your heart is in the right place. Frankly your spot on regarding many of the AMA issues as well, altho telling us we never did an ounce of good was unhelpful to your position.

I don't know if you remember way back when you were ambivelant hysteria, and I left a warm note on your user page regarding a wiki-vacation / threat of departure. I ment what I said then, and I mean it now, your one of the good ones here. Please don't lose sight of that.

I can tell your none to fond of me at this juncture, but all I ask is that you take my words at face value. Make your good work here a self-fulfilling prophecy, rather than a box from which to stand on while you shout harsh words at others.

Sam Spade 23:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I will try not to let you down. -- Netoholic @ 09:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Re:Barnaby

Just because someone is religious and holds conservative views does not make them an extremist. Extremism is shown through actions, not beliefs. Xtra 10:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Darwin page

Hi, could you use your sysop tools to revert the Darwin, Northern Territory page. Several sections have been blanked out by an unregistered user several hours ago. Cheers. Bduke 19:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm happy reverting small changes, but this was a major change over several edits. I thought you ought to know about it too. Cheers, Bduke 20:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Possible Stalker

69.122.182.198 has obviously not liked my reversion of their stupidity. What is the protocol for defending against these types? I imagine you've had a few in your time  :) All I have had is an unsigned message on my talk page - but i fear the worst! Your advice would be appreciated. SatuSuro 09:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC) Investigated it further and have alerted a few others, I think she's on her way out again! Ie Katherinejohnson. Thought I better let you know.SatuSuro 10:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Cheers

Thanks for your comments on Cheers' FAC! I believe I've dealt with your very logical flow complaint with Critical Reactions. I'll try to bulk up the Romance section as well. As for a plot summary instead of themes, however, please see the FAC page! I hope I can get a vote-change out of you! :) Staxringold 12:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I posted on the FAC, I'll try to fill out what you want, please give it a look when you can! :) Staxringold 22:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

So.. Not to try and rush you, but have I dealt with any more of your issues on the FAC? :) Staxringold 23:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Added the printed source that's been requested. Staxringold 23:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

ACT government

The Legislative Assembly website has all the info since self-government, I put together the deatils on the House of of Assembly from the scant bits and pieces on the National Capital Authority and NAA pages; there really doesn't seem to be much online covering government in the ACT between 1979 and 1989. I can't find anything in the ANU library that covers the topic either.--nixie 00:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• I've emailed the LA, I'll let you know if they provide any useful information.--nixie 01:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

AMA Election

Lacking objection, you're nominated. Please place a candidate statement on the election page. Wally 02:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Ambi, please take the opportunity to place a campaign statement on the 2006 Coordinator Election space. Wally 22:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Crikey

Could you send me a link? Reading the whole of Crikey is a bit like being at work :) Adam 09:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

FAC for Australia at the Winter Olympics

Hi Ambi,

How have I gone with dealing with your objections for Australia at the Winter Olympics?

Thanks, Andjam 14:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, especially for specifying which bits are too short. I guess I'm not a big fan of using surnames, but if that's what's normally done, that should be what I do. Andjam 07:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ambi,

Thanks for your comment. You read the "not" in Failed FAC - not giving up though, right?

Out of curiosity, has Kirstie Marshall been notable as a state politician apart from her nutrition activities? Thanks, Andjam 10:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh well. At least we can't be accused of undue prominence with regards to her parliamentary career then. Andjam 11:10, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ambi, I am an apsiring jornalist and have spoken to Rogerthat, who suggested talking to you about netball and other sporting articles on here.

My main sport I write about is netball and cover it regularly online, writing match reports and that sort of thing.

Was wondering, where would you like me to help in terms of netball?

Also, with regards to the Winter Olympics, am wanting to write a few pieces whilst they are?

cheers Ben.carbonaro 06:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Patrick Alexander (cartoonist)

I have restored the article Patrick Alexander (cartoonist) as it was decided that it should be kept after it was nominated for deletion on 15 January 2006. Originally I thought a vandal must have done this, but instead I found it was you, someone who is obviously not a vandal.

I find it rather strange that you have come and deleted it a whole week later even though you played no part in the discussion. I realise that more people voted 'delete' rather than 'keep', but as Jonel said, most 'delete' votes gave no reasons or insufficient reasons. DollyD 23:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

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Hi Ambi,

Could you please stop deleting Patrick Alexander (cartoonist). The result of the recent VFD was 'Keep'. An archived record of that discussion can be found here. If you have a reason why it should be deleted please discuss it on the Talk page for the article and perhaps you can renominate it for deletion if you feel the need. DollyD 09:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello, what times can you be on IRC?

Hello, can I talk with you on irc sometime? Kim Bruning 23:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Patrick Alexander deletion

Ambi, I note that you have (twice) deleted Patrick Alexander (cartoonist) with the reason "per VFD consensus to delete". However, I closed that AfD and most certainly did not determine that there was consensus to delete. I have explained my reasoning on that closing on Talk:Patrick Alexander (cartoonist). If you disagree with my decision, please feel free to bring it up at WP:DRV rather than speedy-deleting with a misleading deletion summary. Thanks. -- Jonel | Speak 13:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

No. Your close was so flagrantly out of process that I entirely justifiably re-deleted it. There was near-unanimous support for it being deleted (with only the author and one other person voting keep), most of those being entirely informed voters who agreed that it was indeed vanity. You then decided that you knew better than all of the Australians who voted (and thus decided that he "must" be notable when you had no idea) and attempted to override the very obvious consensus. There isn't even the slightest bit of grey area here. Ambi 06:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I've put it on WP:DRV. -- Jonel | Speak 11:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

3D images on wikipedia

Hi Ambi. I am attempting to jusdge general opinion on the addition of 3D images to wikipedia. I am very against them being used directly as article illustrations as are at least several other wikipedians. I am not sure where you stand on the subject but would appreciate any feedback you might have. I am trying to generate discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy), with the eventual goal of creating a wikipedia guideline on the subject. Thanks. --Martyman-(talk) 22:20, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Candybroad.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Candybroad.jpg. The image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the image qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, contact Carnildo.

Ambi,

Thanks so very much for supporting the recent FAC of Cheers. It was successful and Cheers has been promoted! I'm looking forward to hopefully getting Cheers on the front page. In the mean time, please accept this Beer as a token of my gratitude.

Cheers! Staxringold 12:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC) (UTC)

Apology re the review of Patrick Alexander

I'd like to apologise for misunderstanding the process which ocurred during the closing and deletion of the article Patrick Alexander (cartoonist), and my comments made based upon that misunderstanding. I've amended my vote accordingly, and endorsed your deletion. That said, (there's a but, sorry), I'd reckon it's worthwhile noting such reviewing actions at the afd discussion, I hope that's something you're willing to consider? Anyway, apologies once again, Hiding talk 13:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Miscegenation

Hi! I may be reading a bit too much in Interracial mariage. However, both entries do overlap, so they should be merged. What about the other entry Interethnic mariages? Lapaz

AMA Coordinator Election

Dear AMA Member,

You are entitled to vote in the AMA Coordinator election, set to begin at midnight on 3 February 2006. Please see the pages on the election and its candidates and the procedure and policy and cast a vote by e-mail!

Wally 10:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Delinking years

I'm very sorry you and others think Bobblewik is being disruptive. I have posted in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Is he really creating a graet deal of clearing up to do or is it just that he is being quite an irritation? Ironically, I came across him with a clash over units and I was pretty annoyed with him! Now I think he actually does a great deal of useful work in achieving consistency over articles. Thincat 14:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

ACT gov

Finally got a response from the government librarian, rather than just giving me some lists, she recommends going to the Heritage Library at Woden or trying this book: Reluctant Democrats : the Transition of Self-Government in the Australian Capital Territory by Philip Grundy et. al. Federal Capital Press, Canberra, 1996 (ANU has it). --nixie 05:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Details for the Heritage Library are as follows: The Heritage Library is located on Level 1, Woden Library and is open on Mondays to Fridays from 1-5pm. Phone no. 62075163.--nixie 05:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Former AMA Coordinator's Endorsement for election

Ambi, for what it is worth I am endorsing you as the candidate for the new Coordinator for the Association of Members Advocates. I have looked over the candidates and I think that you will do the best job as someone who is sensitive to the needs of members and aware of the difficulties faced by advocates; I hope you can help the organization grow and are not faced with the same frustrating apathy from members that I experienced on many occasions when I tried to suggest improving the roles and training of advocates. More than anything else this is something I felt was the most important priority for the usefulness of the group and something I see you understand as well. I do not think it is any coordinator's job to "supervise" advocates but to guide them gently if they need to be sent in a particular direction; I hope whomever becomes coordinator finds a way to acheive that purpose. If you need me to publish an endorsement statement somewhere else, (or wish to quote me during your campaign) let me know. Of course, if you wish not to use this endorsement in any way, that is fine too. Good luck and I hope you win. Alex756 20:49, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh and it doesn't hurt that you like Canadians (if you didn't know I am a Canadian living in New York). Alex756 04:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

IRC

Any chance to come online for a sec? Kim Bruning 01:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, can you install software on your local machine, or is it not yours and is that not permitted? Kim Bruning 01:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Alright, install a standard irc client. One sec Kim Bruning 01:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Any chance we can discuss it on IRC for a minute or two before continuing? Most of those don't appear to be clear speedy candidates. --Interiot 02:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually couple of secs... need to install proxy, also cross fingers :-P Kim Bruning 02:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Please install software. mIRC or so. It'll connect (with a slight tweak) :-) mumblemutterifigetthisworkingmuttermumble Kim Bruning 02:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, for obvious reasons this'll only work today ;-)

In mirc, do /server bruning.xs4all.nl 8080 ambi (in other words, log on to the server bruning.xs4all.nl port 8080 with the password ambi) , this should work. If it doesn't, I may yet have another trick up my sleeve. Kim Bruning 02:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok in mirc, do /server bruning.xs4all.nl 443 ambi

(in other words, log on to the server bruning.xs4all.nl port 443 with the password ambi)

Cross fingers. Kim Bruning 02:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, what message are you getting, if any? In other options, how good are you with unix command-lines? (No wait up, don't need to be good at it... hmm!) And do you know if your browser is connecting through a proxy? Kim Bruning 02:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not sure how to set proxy settings in MIRC, see if you can find any, so that mirc uses the same proxy as your browser. However, mirc may not have a proxy setting. In that case, rob church will upload a windows binary of xchat for you and point you where it is. Kim Bruning 03:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

if you can set proxy settings, you can try to connect to freenode directly first. If that doesn't work, I'll try and do an extra layer of proxying... one way or the other, we'll tunnel out :-) Kim Bruning 03:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

http://www.anubite.co.uk/xchat-2.6.0-1.exe , hopefully you're ok with guis. ^^;; Skip the network selection if it shows up, just grab anything. Then go and actually configure the program. Robchurch might be able to help there also. Note that under settings->preferences...->network settings, you can specify a proxy. Copy over what's in your browser settings there, and see if you manage to connect to freenode directly after setting that up. If not, try /server bruning.xs4all.nl 443 ambi , if that fails, or if you don't understand. call for help :-) Kim Bruning 03:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Clean Windows binary of XChat at http://www.anubite.co.uk/xchat-2.6.0-1.exe. Rob Church (talk) 03:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I'm an idiot.

Big idiot

Instead of all that, just use this: http://bruning.xs4all.nl:8080/cgi-bin/cgiirc-0.5.7/irc.cgi

One cgi irc client. What more do you want?

Kim Bruning 03:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello?

Ambi, what exactly is your problem with PROD, and why are you speedily deleting all articles marked as "prod"? That is not the intent of the proposal (nor is it anything resembling PWDS). Several articles have already been cleaned up or merged as a result of PROD. Please give us a chance to try this alternative, after all the comments from the Board and Jimbo that AFD is too negative for its own good. >Radiant< 02:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• PROD is not inteded for borderline AFD candidates. PROD is intended for obvious deletion candidates that aren't speedies (which accounts for about 70% of AFD, and another 10% are obvious keeps). Controversial discussion goes on AFD, routine issues go on PROD. PROD also encourages people to merge/redirect/copyedit the page (as opposed to AFD, which specifically disallows merging/renaming, and encourages people to start lengthy debate rather than improve the article). >Radiant< 02:13, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Anything speedily deletable is still speedily deletable, regardless of whether it's on PROD or not. Of course nobody expects utter crap to remain for five days. >Radiant< 02:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
    • So? The process gets speedily-deletable stuff deleted. If they weren't here, they'd be in CAT:CSD with the same result. Speedy does not mean "now immediately", it means "without requiring further discussion". The process also gets articles improved, whereas AFD frequently doesn't (because it focuses people's energy on the debate instead). The point of Wikipedia is to improve articles, no? >Radiant< 02:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Also, there are quite a few admins signed up at the bottom of WP:PROD, who have promised to scan the list for various reasons, and they have been speedying pages as they spot them. --Interiot 02:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Stickworld

Hey, I undeleted this at the request of the author. I'm 98% certain it's not an article we want, but I saw little harm in allowing a few days for discussion and/or improvement, and wanted to not bite. Would you mind undeleting it? Friday (talk) 02:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Friday (talk) 02:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:A nice cup of tea and a sit down

>Radiant< 02:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• EXCUSE me? I just offered you a nice cup of tea and you accuse me of being a prick? What is up with you tonight? >Radiant< 02:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

CGI IRC

http://bruning.xs4all.nl:8080/cgi-bin/cgiirc-0.5.7/irc.cgi

Kim Bruning 03:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

No No, don't go home yet. I just got you this CGI IRC client! It'll work right away! Kim Bruning 03:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Drat, you went home I guess. Try it tomorrow, I'll leave it up. (hopefully not too many other folks will find it :-/ ) Kim Bruning 04:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Guanaco

What's your opinion on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Guanaco4? User:Zoe|^(talk) 03:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I have responded to all of the questions on my RFA. Would you mind reconsidering your vote? —Guanaco 21:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

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? Everyking 09:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, it just struck me as being rather rude. Nor does your response to me seem all that pleasant... Everyking 09:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Bobblewik

It's been five days, do you mind if I unblock Bobblewik now? I will caution him that you will likely reblock him if he starts changing date styles again. - Haukur 14:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I offered to unblock him myself if he stopped making disputed bot edits, and hasn't replied to date, but feel free to do it - I just hope he'll take your advice. Ambi 00:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll go ahead with an unblock and a caution. Thank you. - Haukur 00:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Places in Afghanistan

Hi Ambi. I noticed you used rollback on my recent edits to Places in Afghanistan. I don't mind per se, but I tend to view the rollback button as a response to indisputably bad edits. I just wanted to be sure, did you think I was editing in a disruptive or otherwise inappropriate manner? Szyslak ( [ +t, +c, +m, +e ]) 02:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Redlinks

Copied from my talk page.
Ambi - Please don't use the word vandalism with me again - that's very rude! The full wiki policy does not refer to trivial topics it doesn't even use the word trivial it says What not to link Subsidiary topics that result in redlinks (links that go nowhere), such as the titles of book chapters and the songs on albums, unless you're prepared to promptly turn those links into real ones yourself by writing the articles. It's usually better to resist linking these items until you get around to writing an article on each one. Subsidiary topics are secondary topics. Redlinks are clumsy, they read like a wish list and assume that people will choose the topic name that exists in Wiki space so that everything links together eventually. There is of course nothing wrong with linking to other topics it is one of the important facets of wiki, but the correct way to edit is as I suggested - ask someone to write the article in the discussion pages, or write it yourself and then link it back to the original article - promptly. It is not correct to create a redlink farm or to justify it's existenc. I am happy to discuss this further of course your point of view is valid but do not suggest that what I am doing is vandalism again please VirtualSteve 03:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Wow - you must be right. That is an interesting method for removing things that aren't quite up to where you like them to be - chop the section out of previous development of consensus! How about you wait until after the policy is considered by others - after all that was your suggestion?VirtualSteve 04:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Can you stop being petulant - I know that you have done 15,000 edits but there is a page available at Wikipedia_talk:Only_make_links_that_are_relevant_to_the_context for you to put your point about redlink - again that was your suggestion. There are 38 for the policy partially or totally as it stands and 17 against - taking partially or totally your view. Can you leave the edits on articles that I and others have been editing for some months alone now?VirtualSteve 05:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Ambi - I have put my views on the talk page at this stage I do not see yours. I respect your need to be assertive but you simply do not have consensus on style or links. Your debate on the issue of style and links and subsequent cutting out of whole sections, then your mass reversion and edit war appraoch, plus the threat of blocking is not appropriate. I note that you are receiving similar discourse in Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Is_it_permissible_to_implement_the_guidance_in_the_Manual_of_Style.3F in the issue concerning User:Bobblewik. Some of your reversions today are in fact redlinks that I created in the first place - are you seriously suggesting that these redlinks can't be removed by me or anyone else? Please move on by being a part of wiki putting your point forward and then seeing what the consensus is before you threaten, mass revert, block etc. I will be happy to agree to the consensus but not to your threats and methods of editing as that really isn't productive. And is it appropriate for an administrator to make personal remarks - what is the 'creep' bit on your edits?VirtualSteve 05:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• • Okay your the administrator you win - obviously today was the day you needed to cut out the previous redlink policy but you can put your gun away. I have my hands up. I do appreciate you clearing up the creep comment. I'll send you a quick little request everytime I want or need to remove a redlink if that's okay? Then when you say it's okay I'll do it but only then. Thanks again for your support. VirtualSteve 05:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Links and redlinks talk/opinions page

• What in heavens name is wrong now Ambi. Did I say it was policy? This Wikitalk page is an opinion page. Have a look at the top of the page it says exactly that it is a collection of opinions. Can you please stop pointing your gun at every one that has a different opinion than you - better still seeing you nominate yourself as an administrator can you please tell me who I complain to about your fair policing and the steps for formulating that complaint - by return message please? VirtualSteve 06:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've asked you a legitimate question above. You have threatened, cajoled and been obstructive - and then attempted to remove parts of a document that I and many others are trying to understand & trying to comply with. I am a legitimate contributor. Now listen very very carefully. You are an administrator - by definition you are there to assist in administration. Please give me an answer as to how I make a complaint about your policing methods and who I make that complaint to - and please give me all the steps I need to take. By return mail please! VirtualSteve 06:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

This is the very last time I am going to ask you - if you do not want to do answer say so. You appear to be making yourself out as an administrator and you do not have the right to cut large chunks out of pages that have a heading which says This page is a style guide for Wikipedia. The consensus of many editors formed the conventions described here. Wikipedia articles should heed these rules. Feel free to update this page as needed, but please use the discussion page to propose major changes. I do not mind being wrong but be very clear I am not attempting to, as you put it, mess up good articles. I am removing redlinks - proper live links that do not go to empty pages can be put in there when the time is right. Now I am not interested in your views on this debate any more. I have asked you now three times - you say you are an adminstrator - my intention is to lodge a formal complaint against your administration technique - Again my question to you is - What is that process? If you do not want to answer say so and I will add that to my complaint. If you are not an administrator then say so. Then I will lodge the complaint myself. VirtualSteve 07:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, calm down. You might notice that it does not say "This is a static page. Discuss every minor change on the talk page." I chopped out a minor, little-used clause that was being misinterpreted and justified it, which is all one need do on Wikipedia. What you're proposing is indeed a major change, which is why it does need to be discussed. I know I can be terse at times, but Martyman's advice is probably wise to take. And for the record, I am an administrator, but this has nothing to do with anything, as everything I've done here can be done by anyone. Ambi 07:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Collaborations on Goings-on and archiving

Hi. The list of collaborations on the Community Portal is by far more complete. Yet both versions of the list were maintained independently, therefore creating differences in the lists. By combining them into a single list, the now complete list can be serviced from both locations. This shouldn't hurt the archiving, since the list was being archived doubly before anyways (the full list in Community Portal's history, and the half-list on Goings-on archive section. Now the archive for collaborations will be in the template's history, but we can provide permanent links to the various page versions at any archive location desired, such as at the end of the Going's-on page, if you like. --Go for it! 07:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)