User talk:MarshallBagramyan/Archive 3

Result of Armenia strawpoll[edit]

Thanks for your comments on the Armenia talkpage. I will choose not to take the phrase insane illogicacy personally, as per the policy of assuming good faith. The reason I have proposed this compromise is because, as User:Caligvla's official advocate (see AMA, Association of Members' Advocates), I am trying to find a reasonable compromise between the two points of view on this issue. I personally have no view about the issue of Armenia; I'm only trying to do my job as an advocate by generating a constructive consensus, as per Wikipedia policy. At the moment, it seems there are equally strong sources/references on both sides (see my talkpage and also Talk:Armenia). If you would like to suggest a compromise that seems more reasonable to you, please do so on my talk page. Walton monarchist89 12:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

you mean the quotes in the article? ok I will try. bye for today. thanks for decent talkneurobio 03:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfC opening on Armenia[edit]

Given the complete deadlock on this issue, and the failure of the strawpoll, I think the time has come to take the dispute-resolution process to the next level by opening a request for comment. This will open the debate up to the whole Wikipedia community, and hopefully generate, if not consensus, then at least a majority view. I will invite all users involved in this issue to contribute to the RfC, which can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography. I realise that you may now be a bit bored with having to explain your views again and again on different pages, but as an advocate I think this is the only way to finally end this dispute. Walton monarchist89 09:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strawpoll[edit]

NB This poll has now closed, it being Friday 10th November and about 10.30am where I live. The numbers are as follows:

Support 6 (although User:Hamparzoum's existence has been disputed by User:Tekleni.
Neutral 1.
Oppose 10.

As such, no mandate has appeared for making the requested changes to the article. As previously advertised, Caligvla and I are taking a break from this dispute for a week. After this, the case may be taken to the mediation cabal, although I hope to avoid this eventuality. Walton monarchist89 10:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman Muslim casualties[edit]

Hey Marshall, be sure to check this out when you get a chance. Best, Clevelander 22:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Red color[edit]

See Template talk:Infobox SSR#Red color. -- Clevelander 16:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the red to be slightly darker and less glaring. Is that better? -- Clevelander 18:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Soviet template[edit]

I like it! I've fixed it up a bit, though, if you don't mind and I've redirected the older template to it. Again, great work! -- Clevelander 23:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Ring[edit]

Hi,

Please see important comments on Talk:Operation Ring. Good work! --Ling.Nut 02:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:[edit]

That's a very good question. I'm afraid I can't answer that though.--Eupator 00:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding references to Battle of Berlin[edit]

I do not like to cause other contributors work, but when I saw the figure of 3,300 aircraft for the German side, I suspected that something was very wrong and I started to distrust all figures. The German article mentions >100 aircraft for the German side which sounds far more realistic. Andries 19:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian SSR flag[edit]

How's this version?:

Kindest regards, Clevelander 19:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was the closest thing I could find to the final version of the COA in decent quality. What I never took much care in noticing was how the Soviet COAs evolved overtime. -- Clevelander 19:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I redid the COA a bit and fixed the colors, etc. What do you think? Not as big as your's, but still in better quality:

BTW, I meant to apologize for the way I acted towards you in regard to the Soviet Armenian imagery on the WikiProject Armenia talk page. All Armenians should be united and I shouldn't have defended the inaccuracies of the earlier Soviet symbols. All the best, Clevelander 02:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy New Year![edit]

Շնորհաւոր նոր տարի եւ Սուրբ Ծնունդ - Fedayee 19:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Nakhichevan and Karki[edit]

Hey Marshall, could you find a quote from an Azerbaijani on the Karki dispute? I asked Grandmaster to do so, but he hasn't. -- Clevelander 12:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These quotes are perfect! Thanks! -- Clevelander 20:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marshal Baghramyan[edit]

Done. BTW, is this also the most common spelling in English? Khoi khoi 05:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it should be moved to Ivan Bagramyan. [1] [2] Anyways, I don't mind either way. Cheers, Khoi khoi 07:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also it appears that the page was moved from Ivan Bagramian in a copy paste manner. I'll have to fix that some time... Khoi khoi 07:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Khojaly Massacre[edit]

Hey i see the death toll on this is not accurate since its from an Azerbaijan source there must be others time magazine states only 200 and says Azerbaijan claims 1,000+, can you help me out on this? any bold references elsewhere?

"So far, some 200 dead Azerbaijanis, many of them mutilated, have been transported out of the town tucked inside the Armenian-dominated enclave of Nagorno- Karabakh for burial in neighboring Azerbaijan. The total number of dead -- the Azerbaijanis claim 1,324 civilians were slaughtered, most of them women and children -- is unknown. But the facile explanation offered by the attacking Armenians, who insist that no innocents were deliberately killed, is hardly convincing." Nareklm 22:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yasilova incident - new category?[edit]

I like the category you added to this,"non war armed confrontations". But I still think it is not ideal, since all the other articles are about domestic events like cowboy battles, and the parent category is crime. I think there should be a new category for these war related incidents - there must be many such events between countries. Any thoughts on what the category could be called (maybe "war related international incidents"?) and where to fit it in the hierarchy of history, war etc to make it useful?Obina 11:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sassuntsi-Davit Tank Division[edit]

Hey, great work on changing the formation size to regiment - I've been going through David Glantz's books trying to figure out which WW 2 Soviet tank division was ethnic Armenian!! Do you think it is the 119th Regiment as listed further down the paragraph? Best regards Buckshot06 18:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try and get hold of David Glantz, Colossus Reborn out of a library or something; it's got a specific section on nationalities units of the Red Army 41-45, and mentions all the divisions you list: http://www.amazon.com/Colossus-Reborn-1941-1943-Modern-Studies/dp/0700613536

Nothing under separate tank regiments though specifically for identification of this unit. I do not believe the Sassuntsi-Davit unit was part of a division, as Glantz describes separate regiments of approximately that composition.

Actually, thinking about it, this was a unit of 22 tanks - sounds like two companies of 10 tanks each, dep cdr's tank, and commander's tank. It's too small to be a full regiment. And isn't 'polk' the Russian for regiment, as in tankovy polk or some such? I think this unit was a separate tank battalion, because I know ~divizionya was sometimes used as a alternate name for battalion sized units.

If you're happy I'll make that change to separate tank battalion at some point. Buckshot06 21:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've actually had some email discussions with David Glantz, so I might bounce it off him. Be good to get a definitive answer. Buckshot06 03:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He confirms it is a regiment; see the talk page of the article for the info from Boevoi sostav Sovetskoi armii [Combat composition of the Soviet Army] 44/45 volumes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buckshot06 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Hovhannes Bagramyan[edit]

Every time you move a page, please make sure to check for double redirects (using "What links here") after the move. Thanks, Khoi khoi 00:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks![edit]

Hey Marshall, thanks for the award! All the best, Aivazovsky 00:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aram Andonian[edit]

Hey MB, what do you think of these edits? Also see this. Khoi khoi 04:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks! Khoi khoi 04:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Armenian genocide[edit]

I saw your sentences: When German, US, French, British, Russian, Austrian and Swedish archives all document deliberate provocations to anger Armenians and subsequent massacres to "quell" "uprisings" then ywe all that Ottoman documents aren't worth ____ :) None of your statements are ever backed up on these imaginary uprisings and it only makes sense that you are calling out the "bias" card when you cannot even prove your own words.

German, US, French, British, Russian, Austrian and Swedish are christian and Ottoman muslim..That is why their archive must be full of lie. Yes provacation !!!!!!!!!!!! why dont you tell me 500.000 turks killed by Armenians??????.. We have many mass graves..500.000 dead body is good reason for deportation.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Onur prg (talk • contribs) 22:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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Stepanakert[edit]

Adil brought up some interesting points at Talk:Stepanakert#Vararakn. If you have the entire article of S.Mkrtchyan, would you be able to post it? Thanks, Khoi khoi 01:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I also noticed that Adil keeps changing the sentence to "the entire local Azerbaijani population has fled the city during the Nagorno-Karabakh war", while the Armenian editors seem to prefer the sentence "most of the local Azerbaijani population has fled the city". Which one is correct? How many Azeris live in Stepanakert today? Khoi khoi 01:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You said "region itself", but do you have any sources that say Azeris still live in the city of Stepanakert? Khoi khoi 02:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Perhaps you should show that to ArmenianNY too. Khoi khoi 02:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I have no choice but to award you this:

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		Marshall, for defending factual information on the Stepanakert article, I have decided to award you the Defender of the Wiki Barnstar. All the best, Aivazovsky 02:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Azerirefugees2.jpg[edit]

I got the image from User:Ldingley in an email, so I suppose you should ask him instead. Khoi khoi 05:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Bagramyan's commands[edit]

Putting those units under the "commands" field in the infobox isn't really a good idea. Bagramyan didn't actually command them directly; they were part of the formations (e.g. the 11th Guards Army & the 1st Baltic Front) that he did command, but they had their own commanders below him. The infobox really isn't meant to show that sort of hierarchical relationship; it'd be like saying that Zhukov or Stalin commanded them simply because they were in overall control of the war.

Frankly, I'm not convinced that it's worthwhile to indicate these units other than in the text where they're already mentioned. Bagramyan doesn't appear to have had a substantially different relationship with them than he had with the many other divisions that were part of the formation he commanded; singling them out doesn't seem particularly justified here. Kirill Lokshin 21:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You could, in theory, use {{command structure}}, which is designed to show that sort of thing; but then, to be accurate, you'd probably have to show all of the units in the front rather than just those three, which would probably be too complex for this article. (You might be able to get away with moving that auxiliary box down to the section dealing with the front, though, which would make it more reasonable space-wise.) Kirill Lokshin 22:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, fair enough. It's a great article, in any case. :-) Kirill Lokshin 22:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Funny[edit]

Do you think this should be added? to the Nagorno-Karabakh war.

"Azeri and Russian so-called batallion is being crushed by Armenian fedayis in Artsakh (Karabakh). In panic, frightened, crying and running away leaving dead. Russian journalist asks one soldier "Why are they running? They are supposed to be soldiers!" and keeps asking the soldiers "Why are you crying?". Azeri general admits that there were twice as many Azeris than Armenians. He shouts and slaps his soldiers for running away and not obeying his commands. The true face of Azeri heromen."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaBnV_U1vug Artaxiad 04:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:ի-մէյլ[edit]

Բարեւ Marshall, enable ըրի, կրնաս հիմա ղրկել: - Fedayee 03:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Van Resistance[edit]

Hey Marshall,

Saw you started to edit the Van article, I tried before with no success. I wonder if you wanna work together to clean it up. BTW, have you seen the other POV articles by Ottoman Reference? He has atrocious spelling and a lot of original research. (Hetoum 04:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Ronald Reagan Featured Article Candidate[edit]

Hi. Thank You for your comments. I really do not think the David Stockman thing is worth mentioning, because I don't know of a good and reliable source to cite it by. If you still want it in there, drop me a line. Happyme22 17:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thank You for your quick response. David Stockman was fired by Ronald Reagan, therefore he didn't like him after that (I'm sure you know that). Mrs. Nancy Reagan, the President's wife, describes in her memoirs that she (and many other people) felt that Stockman was trying to get back at President Reagan for firing him. Personally, I think that this is one of those atempts. I'll check out the page you gave me, and I'll get back to you with my final analysis. Again, thank you so much for your comments, and a quick response. -- Happyme22 18:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah- I think it's untrue (but I don't know that). Do you still think that it should be in the article? I'll try something if you want, but please get back to me. Thanks, Happyme22 18:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing- I've never nominated an article before. How is an article confirmed as a featured article? Happyme22 18:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to bother you (again), but when is the concensus reached on the article nominating? I've had Reagan's article on the Featured Article Candidate List for about a week. Is that normal? Happyme22 19:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot Happyme22 20:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the David Stockman thing to the Ronald Reagan article in the "Reaganomics and the Economy" section. Tell me what you think. If you are happy with it, and if you wish, I would really apreciate it if you changed your position from "Slight Oppose" to "Comment" or even "Support" on the Reagan Featured Article talk page. It would be much appreciated if you feel that way, and if you do that. I Thank You for all of your help. It's really appreciated by me, and all of the editors of Ronald Reagan. Thanks, Happyme22 20:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really think that the test part is necesary, but I included it (someone might delete it later). What do you think now, and would you now consider changing your FAC vote from "Slight Object" to "Comment" or better, "Support?" Happyme22 21:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi[edit]

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		I award you this barnstar for the quality of your contribution and not been part in the Armenia-Azerbaijan controversy here on Wikipedia. Fad (ix) 19:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]