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Your recent edits[edit]

Please re-review WP:RS; the sources you have been using for some edits have been non-reliable or non-existent, and I have had to revert your changes. GiantSnowman 22:49, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And again, at Jack Armer you are either mis-reading (at best) or manipulating (at worst) the source...be more careful. Reverted. GiantSnowman 23:02, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Does this ref work? Looks like he is born in Preston [1].@GiantSnowman:--Ortizesp (talk) 23:06, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, perfect. GiantSnowman 23:07, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please see[edit]

Please see Talk:Iván Moreno (Chilean athlete)#Requested move 4 January 2021. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cristian Devenish[edit]

Hi, just wondering if there was any reason you created this footballer under this name, and not Cristian Castro? Castro would be the standard Hispanic surname for everyday use, and all the references seem to use "Castro". Richard3120 (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, the player plays with "Devenish" on his jersey [2], and is listed under that last name at the Boavista site here [3]. He also uses the last name Devenish in this ForaDeJogo site which is pretty reliable [4]. I was kind of stuck either way, and have no real preference, just following what he seems to be doing while in Portugal.@Richard3120:--Ortizesp (talk) 22:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, fair enough, thanks for clearing that up – I couldn't access the Fora de Jogo site, my browser blocks it, but all the other sources seem to say Castro, which is what I expected. But if he himself uses Devenish I can't argue with that. Richard3120 (talk) 22:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have a feeling he's following Portuguese convention since he's in Portugal, if he ever switches I'll make sure to have the page changed to match.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Montes[edit]

Moving this page I noticed that the first line is a bit peduliar.

You created it

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miguel_Montes&oldid=998906476

but the first line reads Iván Moreno may refer to: (my empahsis)

It looks like a simple cut-and-paste error to me (I just had one myself moving the page)... or am I missing something? Andrewa (talk) 01:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to my sub-pages[edit]

Hi. Appreicate your work in cleaning up dabs following page moves, but please don't make edits to my user pages such as this. I'll see the initial move on my watchlist and will tidy up my sub-pages as and when. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Rater tool[edit]

Not sure to be honest - have you tried at WP:VPT? It's where I go to complain about tools breaking etc... GiantSnowman 21:23, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Style issues[edit]

Hi there, Ortizesp. I see you're still tirelessly creating new articles which is great. There are a few minor issues I'd like to draw your attention to because it becomes annoying when seeing them in thousands of articles:

  • Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players, the standard way to name the section about a players' club career is "Club career", not "Professional career".
  • In prose, don't use the subject's surname in two successive sentences unless there's ambiguity. So, for example, it should be "Kikonda signed his first professional… . He made his professional debut… .", not "Kikonda signed his first professional… . Kikonda made his professional debut… .".
  • For scores, we use en dashes, not hyphens, so it would be "3–0", not "3-0". See MOS:ENBETWEEN,
  • Per WP:NOTBROKEN, the link for a player's in the full-back position is [[Left-back]], not [[Defender (association football)#Full-back|Left-back]].
  • "uk.soccerway.com" or "ca.soccerway.com" are not the website's name, but "Soccerway".

I think most of this wouldn't mean more work, just a change of habits. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 19:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    • Noted! Will keep these in mind. I'll make an effort to follow these. Some patience please, as old habit die hard and I may slip up here and there, but do remind me if it's egregious. Cheers!@Robby.is.on:--Ortizesp (talk) 19:58, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great! You can do it. :-) Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 20:04, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • In addition, please be careful of the language used. The articles you are creating for reserve/youth players making their first league appearance (eg Tony Lesueur and Paul Schacherer today) are incorrect: They are not professional footballers, having never signed a professional contract (unless you can provide evidence of that) and therefore can not be said to be making their professional debut. Some of them are U19 players, per this. Also, the numbers 33, 34, 35 up to 39 are never permanently allocated to a player in Ligue 1 and Ligue 2, so those players should not have this shirt number in their infobox, nor should they appear with it in the club squadlist. See [5] if you read French. Cheers, Gricehead (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC) Edited to add another source Gricehead (talk) 22:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Creation of new articles[edit]

Hi OrtizEsp, I noticed that you are an active contributor of football articles, therefore may I ask your help in order to create the articles of the coaches/managers of the Liga MX Femenil and the Serie A de México, I consider the creation of these pages very relevant, taking in consideration that most of them are former footballers.

Such as Rigoberto Esparza, Jorge Campos Valadéz, Leonardo Álvarez, Miguel Ángel Casanova, Daniel Moguel Hernández and Juan Manuel Rivera

It would be awesome if you can create them. My best regards. 189.139.82.101 (talk) 02:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've made one, and I'll slowly chip at the others. Not really familiar with Mexican sources, so if there's a reliable database for stats let me know. Also, MX Femenil doesn't pass Wikipedia's notability rules at WP:FOOTY, so some of these might not be eligible for pages.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you very much! Yeah sure, I totally agree with the notability rules, that's why I only mentioned retired footballers with caps in professional teams that now are coaches. I think that the most important source is the official page of the league, which contains the stats in real time of each player and coach, for example these are the pages of the former footballers that I put before.

189.139.82.101 (talk) 00:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Rodríguez[edit]

You are reminded that you remain under editing restrictions which prevent you from moving articles without talk page discussion. Why have you ignored that to move Bruno Rodríguez and others? GiantSnowman 11:07, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Does this apply when it's almost entirely non-controversial? I've been meaning to see if we can increase the amount of requests I can make or open a path to end these restrictions, seeing as it's been 2 years and generally my contributions have been beneficial and following the rules.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes - and you should limit yourself to 1 a day as agreed. GiantSnowman 11:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can we move it to 2 or 3? It wasn't a formal punishment to do just one, which was implemented because I opened a ton of RMs in one day. I can keep it low, but right now I feel like I'm moving a mountain rock by rock. Unless you have some alternate suggestion to make things faster.@GiantSnowman:--Ortizesp (talk) 05:25, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
2 a day is fine. The issue was you were doing too many for us to be comfortable that you were doing them properly! GiantSnowman 10:13, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Signing in articles[edit]

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  • My bad, I was meaning to timestamp but I probabyl got it wrong. I just left four of these ~, but I was meaning to timestamp. Do you know what the right way to do it is?@Arjayay:--Ortizesp (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No worries - it's 5 tildes, not 4 - see WP:5TILDES - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Stephane Zobo[edit]

Hey, could you please help me? I need help cropping Stephane Zobo's image. Thank you so much. Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done, hopefully it's okay. To crop, I use CropTool, the instructions to download it are there. Pretty easy.@Paul Vaurie:.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:22, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Robert Sánchez[edit]

The expatriate categories remain valid, regardless of the fact his father was English. GiantSnowman 08:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! I noticed you moved the page Álvaro Rodríguez Ros to Alvarito a few years ago. Can you please link some sources that tell me this is the common name? I've done some research, and I've found that Álvaro Rodríguez Ros is used just as much, if not more, than Alvarito. I may be looking on the wrong side of the internet, so if you have any other sources that say Alvarito this would be great. Thanks! --Belwine (talk) 15:43, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, most sites I find list him as Alvarito (obviously mentioning his legal name). Links here: BDFutbol, BDFutbol management profile, nationa football teams, EU Football, Balona, Melilla Hoy, RFEF
Thanks for the sources --Belwine (talk) 18:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Creation of former footballers articles[edit]

Hi Ortizesp, I'm creating articles of former Mexican footballers who are now coaches and I wanted to ask you if you could help me in creating some of them, these are the following: Juan Manuel Rivera, Octavio Becerril, Luis Fernando Soto, Esteve Padilla, Luis Manuel Díaz, Martín Pérez Padrón, Félix Martínez Mendoza and Filadelfo Rangel.

It would be great if you could help me in creating some of them.

My best regards! SputnikXX (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Defaultsort of Arabic names[edit]

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Player and diacritic[edit]

I see you are the expert on this subject, so: Is Loló a proper title, given that we have Lolo (footballer, born 1984) and Lolo (footballer, born 1993)? 162 etc. (talk) 15:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you're right, recommending it to be moved. Good suggestion!--Ortizesp (talk) 00:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Will Fish[edit]

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Bellingham U15 appearances[edit]

Hello. Was wondering where you got the U15 stats from that you added to the infobox? I've never managed to find a reliable source for that level. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:13, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey, I had to look through TFF for the Turkish games (which I'm familiar with), and Besoccer for the rest. Kind of a shame that the English FA doesn't track youth international games as well as other FAs. Here are the sources, I figured it was too much to put as references for U15 games. 1 - TFF, 2 - TFF, 3 - RBFA, 3 - Besoccer, 4 - Besoccer, 5 - Besoccer, 6 - Besoccer, 7 - Besoccer. To be honest, I just checked the Transfermarkt caps and backwards engineered searches, and they came out to be right.@Struway2:--Ortizesp (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. The trouble with that method is it assumes that, if we find reliable sources to confirm Bellingham's appearances in the games listed by a WP-unreliable source, those must be the only games he appeared in: i.e. it assumes Transfermarkt to be both accurate and complete, which is an assumption we can't make. Added to which, BeSoccer doesn't list the Belgian or Dutch matches (they were both double-headers, Transfermarkt has him playing in the second of each pair of games but BeSoccer only lists the first), and the RBFA page only lists the Belgian team. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zaid Al-Hussaini[edit]

I have removed the claim that he is of Iraqi descent as it was not confirmed by the source given. Can you find a source to back up the claim? Many thanks, Microwave Anarchist (talk) 20:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Rusu[edit]

Hey, thank you for your observation. I've seen disambiguation by both nationality and year for some Spanish-speaking South American footballers, and I thought I could do it for "my" pages too. I'll go on and rename them. 8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 19:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Friendly approach[edit]

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I would like to approach you with a friendly attempt to work on an article together. Dr Salvus 12:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Happy to help, let me know with what.@Dr Salvus:--Ortizesp (talk) 19:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I would like to create pages about all players who play in Italian leagues and pages about Italy women's footballers Dr Salvus 20:35, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If you have a list that you are working through or any particular pages that you want me to look into, feel free to send it to me and I can slowly chip away at it when I have time.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I will made the list in the next few days Dr Salvus (talk) 23:08, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I created the list (you can see it here). There are both men and women player. I will help you but maybe I won't be able to do it immediately as tomorrow is my birthday. Dr Salvus 10:02, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Happy birthday! Enjoy your day. I will take some time over the next couple of days to contribute where I can.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I will update the list often, so keep the list in the watchlist. I also will create some pages I've listed and I will ask help to other users. Thanks for the disponibility :) Dr Salvus 20:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you[edit]

I have been working on a draft for Carnejy Antoine for about a year, and I never finished. Thank you for creating the page. I have added pieces of my draft to it. (Also, thank you for showing me how slow I am at editing!) :) 76.103.46.252 (talk) 18:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If I had known better I would have used your draft. If there's others you are working on, I can help move them into mainspace, just let me know.@76.103.46.252:--Ortizesp (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ortizesp: I have one, for the youth sector of Serie B team Frosinone (Draft:Frosinone Calcio Primavera).

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Disambiguation redirects[edit]

Hello Ortizesp. There is no need to create disambiguation redirects like you did at Adelbert (disambiguation) because the target Adelbert is not a disambiguation page: it is a given name WP:SIA marked with {{given name}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion participation[edit]

Hi, Thanks for your participation in vietnamese football club name change.

Can you participate in another move discussion participation? discussion]

Thanks Footwiks (talk) 02:13, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Loosening of editing restrictions[edit]

I think it's time we asked at ANI for your editing restrictions to be loosened - I see no issue with you moving pages where all you are doing is dropping the maternal surname (so e.g. 'Gonzalo Suárez Llano' → 'Gonzalo Suárez' or 'Gonzalo Suárez (footballer)' or 'Gonzalo Suárez (footballer, born 1994)', so let's get consensus on it if you're happy? I still think it's good to nominate the rest at RM (where you are moving to a nickname etc.) GiantSnowman 11:01, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, that would be great! Not sure if there's anything needed from me to hopefully get the ball rolling. I appreciate this, and obviously know to take some care with this to avoid issues.@GiantSnowman:--Ortizesp (talk) 14:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looking into it, I'm not sure you're even under any live restrictions? Nothing listed at WP:Editing restrictions - I'll post at ANI for clarification. GiantSnowman 19:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Footballer youth categories[edit]

Hey Ortizesp, just a note: National youth team categories are separated into under-20 (under-21 for Europe) and youth categories, with the latter including everything from U13/15 to U19 (or U20 for Europe). So if someone has only appeared for their respective U20 national side, they should be included in the appropriate category. Keep up the good work! JTtheOG (talk) 03:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LANGVAR[edit]

I noticed you changed the language variation at Brian Sylvestre. I could see if he changed from the US to a nation that speaks a different national variant of English, but Haiti is a French-speaking nation. I restored the American spelling. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:44, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the cats to this (and Blondy's page as well), I was out at the game so couldn't do it when I moved it to mainspace. Anyway, I see you added Basse-Terre as his birth place but didn't provide a source and I couldn't find one with a quick Google, so would you mind re-adding it with your source. Many thanks, Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, must've missed that. Thanks, Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date of Berk Balaban[edit]

Hi, Ortizesp. Can you tell where did you got the information says that his birth date is 16 February 2000? Transfermarkt says its 1 January 2000 which is the data from Turkish Football Federation. By the way, i know they may have reduced his birth date so he could play for young national teams but we must give the official information. --Henrymorgan92 (talk) 18:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, that's probably just a mistake, I've changed it to 1 January 2000. Thanks for the heads up.@Henrymorgan92:--Ortizesp (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Your recent move of Carlos Juárez (chess) (from Carlos Armando Juárez Flores) cannot possibly be justified by the reference to WP:COMMONNAME: you've moved it from a naturally disambiguated title to a parenthetically disambiguated title. In fact the situation is even worse than that, because (as one can see from a quick look at Carlos Juárez) the new title does not successfully disambiguate from the other notable chess player named Carlos Juárez! Please revert yourself. --JBL (talk) 23:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I requested the move to be reverted at WP:RM, although I do not think his full name is natural disambiguator, since it's not commonly used by the subject as per the references on page.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Colin Campbell (footballer, born 1888)[edit]

Sorry, where have the 1907 and 1888 DOBs come from? NFT says 1883... GiantSnowman 07:32, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • 1907 was a mistake (it was listed on the DAB page, which confused me), and 1888 listed as the birthyear on the page before I moved it... I've since fixed page and title to 1883, may you delete the erroneous DABs? Sorry about that.--Ortizesp (talk) 07:36, 5 September 2021 (UTC)@GiantSnowman:[reply]
 Done GiantSnowman 07:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguation question[edit]

Hi, I thought I'd bring this one to your attention since you are the resident soccer disambiguator:

There are three people on Wikipedia named Thomas Wainwright:

All get single-digit pageviews, so my instinct would be to have Thomas Wainwright as a disambiguation page. What would be the best article titles for these three? 162 etc. (talk) 20:41, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Francis (footballer)[edit]

If you're going to move pages and create redirects/disambigautions etc. you need to please remember to fix links... GiantSnowman 15:45, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Notification & apologies[edit]

Apologies are in order from me, regarding my summary in Kike García (Spanish footballer). I stupidly thought, after seeing the edit history, that you had moved the page, but it was not you who did it, no discussion was even started in the talk. Even more, i think this new title is very acceptable, as "Kike" is short for "Enrique"; same can be said for Kike López and Kike Márquez.

I repeat, my utmost and sincere apologies (if you don't want to accept them i totally understand, no place for that approach at WP). Regards, continue the good work! --2001:8A0:7667:5801:E412:20:4F9F:5DB5 (talk) 17:35, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, no apologies needed. And just know, I have no bad blood with you! You are a great and prolific editor and we need more like you. I know we maybe have different opinions on certain things, but I'm not as unreasonable as you probably think I am. If you think I am doing something wrong, just let me know, and generally I'm not so hardheaded (generally, not always haha). I'm mostly done my annoying page views for Spanish and Portuguese players, but if there's something you think is wrong feel free to challenge or reverts as long as it makes sense. I do think the page titles are in a better state now, especially with the DAB pages to better direct traffic.@2001:8A0:7667:5801:E412:20:4F9F:5DB5:--Ortizesp (talk) 21:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks man! You are also greatly needed here, do stick around :) --2001:8A0:7667:5801:1190:9BF4:98F4:B0F7 (talk) 23:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post-move cleanup[edit]

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