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About your formatter-tagger script

Suggestion to have an option to not format citation templates. Overall its really a great script. Keep it up. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 16:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@98Tigerius Sadly not an option at this moment. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
@Paper9oll alright thanks. Another one on Xports News website there's no hypen between X and ports per their about us. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 16:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
@98Tigerius Erm weird, on Naver News, they are X-ports for quite some time. Looks like they renamed recently. Also, which part you don't want the option to format cite? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
@98Tigerius I can add in the option on opt-in basis, however I will need to know which portion first. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
@Paper9oll portion of cite web function (number 918 to 953 in your .js) is that right? 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 17:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
@98Tigerius  Done. Add below code to anywhere in your common.js.
window.formatterTagger = {
	citeFormatting: 'N'
};
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Redirect query

Hello, Paper9oll,

I was looking at Yeh Shu-Hua and don't see this term or name mentioned on the target article. What is the connection between Paper9oll and this musical group? Liz Read! Talk! 04:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Liz Full name for (G)I-dle's member Shuhua. See Google search result. And what you meant by connection between me and this musical group, typo? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

BRD

Tooki complained about your behavior on my talk page. I see you cited WP:BRD above ("I'm against changing the status quo period hence you do not have WP:CONSENSUS in reverting (including merging) which is what WP:BRD is all about"). If you read the linked page, you'll see the following:

This is actually what BRD is all about. Instead of telling people they don't have consensus because you don't like their edit, try discussing your concerns on the talk page or open a form of dispute resolution yourself. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Noted, thanks. I appreciate the clarification on BRD. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

“Web” vs “streaming” TV

Regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kim_Joo-ryoung&oldid=prev&diff=1161961945&markasread=284414296&markasreadwiki=enwiki

I strongly disagree with calling all streaming series “web series”, because streaming services like Netflix are predominantly accessed on television sets, then on mobile apps, not via web browser.

Additionally, to me, “web series” has a connotation of low-budget content or of content made as ancillary to a “main” product like a film, TV series, or ad campaign.

Of course, it’s debatable whether there should be any distinction between a TV series first released on broadcast or cable, vs one first released on a streaming platform, especially as the traditional broadcast/cable networks have all launched streaming services of their own. I’d probably just merge the two lists to “TV series” and call it a day.

Anyhow, I changed both instances back to “streaming”. (I wish you’d originally just corrected the instance I had overlooked, rather than tersely reverting my well-reasoned and explained edit.)

Regards, — tooki (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tooki I strongly disagree with your explanation. And also, what on earth is this "streaming services like Netflix are predominantly accessed on television sets, then on mobile apps, not via web browser" even based on (not a question btw), not as far as I'm aware of such. You yourself (whether it's true or false, isn't my concern) watching on television and/or mobile isn't a valid reasons to push your POV into the article. Netflix or alike is accessible by connecting to the internet and/or World Wide WEB (WWW) hence using the term "web" is correct, try plugging out the ethernet cable and/or disconnecting from the WiFi, I guess one can watch Netflix or alike on television magically without such technology in 2023. In addition, the formatting is consistent with tons of other Korean BLPs articles here hence I don't see why the disruption to the established status quo. As far as I'm aware of, you have no consensus to change it, in fact, per WP:BRD you shouldn't have reverted including after couple of months past. — 🎄🎆 Paper9oll 🎆🎄 (🔔 • 📝) 15:38, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Dear Paper9oll,
First of all, I kindly ask that you restrain your tone. It was likely unintended, but you came off as quite dismissive and condescending. While I am sure that you are acting in good faith, I believe your conclusions are incorrect, so allow me to go into why:
  1. ”Internet” and “Web” are not synonyms. The Web is part of the Internet, but the Internet is much more than the Web. You’re only using the Web when using a Web browser. This is not the case when viewing via a TV (using its Netflix app), settop box (using its Netflix app), streaming stick (using its Netflix app), or using the Netflix mobile app on a phone or tablet. When you access Netflix via app (whether on TV, settop box, stick, or mobile device), you are using the Internet, but you are not using the Web.
  2. The overwhelming majority (about 71%) of Netflix viewing (by number of viewers) is done on television sets (about 45%) or mobile apps (about 27%). Comparatively little of it (about 22%) is done via Web browser. This is not an assumption or guess, nor “POV” based on my own preferences, but rather based on actual viewing statistics: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1233952/devices-netflix-tv-shows-us/ with which I was familiar before making the edit.
  3. The page Squid Game, which will have had vastly more editing (and thus consensus) than the actress’s page, calls it a “television series”. (As I said in my original message, it’s debatable whether streaming series should even be distinct from traditional TV series. The pages for other series that had their first (or only) run on Netflix quite consistently call them “television series”, “streaming series”, or “streaming television series”. These should be indicative of dominant terminology in English.)
As such, calling Squid Game a “Web series” seems very inappropriate given that:
  1. it is 3.5x as likely to be watched without use of the Web.
  2. it is typically referred to as a “television series” or “streaming series” (or simply “series”).
  3. it is not a “Web series” in the new-media sense.
Consequently, would you accept me simply changing it to “television series” and merging the existing TV and Web filmography lists under the heading “Television” or “Series”?
As far as the perceived procedural errors you’re accusing me of:
  • Consistency between pages is not a reason to maintain poor terminology. Another option is to propagate the improvement across to those other pages.
  • Prior consensus is not required before making changes, especially ones as small as this. My edit was a legitimate good-faith edit, and my re-edit equally so. In both cases I provided a full explanation for the edit, in contrast with the terse, vague edit summaries you provided when reverting them.
  • Reaching consensus includes “an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns”, but I do not feel you’ve made sufficient effort to address my concerns, since you simply dismissed them as “POV” or “true or false, isn’t my concern”.
  • WP:BRD is not mandatory, as its own page explains. My approach fell into one of the alternatives listed on that page.
As I believe that this response more than thoroughly explains why my edit was justified, and I ask that you back down and allow me to make the proposed edit without further interference. If you do not agree, kindly copy this discussion into the article’s talk page for broader discussion.
— tooki (talk) 18:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
@Tooki I already stated my point above which doesn't changes anything regardless of your lengthy explanation which I still disagreed on. And all calling someone for being dismissive nor condescending just because they don't agreed with is a form of WP:PERSONAL ATTACK regardless of you meaning it or not, which in this case, you don't mean it, but regardless this is not good even if you're angry. I'm against changing the status quo period hence you do not have WP:CONSENSUS in reverting (including merging) which is what WP:BRD is all about, if you have any concerns on such then you should be requesting to change the status quo on WT:KO instead given that the status quo i.e. categorization of Netflix/Disney+/Amazon Prime/Viki/Viu/etc as "Web series" applies on every single Korean actor/actress BLPs article that I know of (which is more than 500+ that I have on my WP:WATCHlist) in which there is no such thing that Kim Joo-ryoung is an exception. Of which, if you're intenting on doing so, I'm requesting you not to get my involvement nor mentioned my name nor did I gave you permission to copy this entire discussion (you can copy your own comments but without my username) otherwise I will considered this as a form of WP:HARASSMENT as changing the status quo on every single Korean actor/actress BLPs article has no relationship to this discussion and my comments as I have stated clearly in preceding sentence, editors are to have an neutral rationale for their discussion. However, as the discussion if opened on WT:KO is intended to be neutral, I will still give my WP:!VOTE. Otherwise, WP:DROPTHESTICK as I have no addition comments to addon to here regardless of your another lengthy reply, if applicable, which I'm still going to disagreed on. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Just to clarify, it is not the fact that you disagree that makes your behavior appear condescending, it is the tone you have used in expressing your replies. Telling you this was simply intended as a reminder for you to please remain civil. As a reminder, according to WP:NOPA, “discussion of a user's conduct or history is not in itself a personal attack when done in the appropriate forum for such discussion (for example, the other editor's talk page, or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents).” As such, I am confident that my comments did not constitute a personal attack.
The appearance of dismissiveness comes from the fact that you have not shown any effort at all to actually incorporate my legitimate concerns. You cite WP:BRD repeatedly, yet appear wholly unwilling to engage in the “D” in BRD.
Your reverts appear to me to be a clear violation of WP:DRNC and the refusal to discuss seems to me like an example of WP:BRNOD.
FYI, it is within the realm of the possible for something to be wrong — or merely worthy of improvement — on 500+ pages. Even a small improvement is an improvement, after all. I totally agree with you that consistency is an important goal, but think that the goal should be to use the best terminology consistently. In this instance, I think it’s better to use terminology that is unambiguous: clearly there isn’t total consensus about whether OTT-first TV series are “web series” or not. But OTT-first series are, without doubt, “series”, and without doubt they are on “streaming” services, so the common “streaming series” is a completely unambiguous term that eliminates confusion. — tooki (talk) 13:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
@Tooki Please drop the stick here instead of accusing me of BRNOD when I already tried my best to engage without losing my cool and clearly this discussion isn't going anywhere as neither of us agree with each other? In fact, as part of WP:3O, I already directed you to go to WT:KO to change the status quo i.e. changing "Web series" to "Streaming series", in addition to "Web shows" to "Streaming shows", for categorising OTT drama series and OTT variety show, respectively, in Korean BLP articles as your proposed changes doesn't just affect Kim Joo-ryoung article itself hence it is better to have community discussion for such to get community consensus in which the discussion can be reference back to in edit summary instead of just getting my consensus and changing only a single article which would certainly get reverted by other editors which find it inconsistent hence having a community discussion that can referenced back is always a better option.
I'm willing to agree to disagree to "Streaming series" as mentioned above however, I still recommend that you open up a 3O discussion at WT:KO based on the rationale mentioned above instead of just talking to me and getting angry for not agreeing with you and in turn calling me dismissive, condescending, and rude when this is my talking style in real life hence why I felt kind of offended on such hence why I considered it as personal attack when in fact, I didn't even attacked nor being uncivil against you at all other than disagreeing and speaking out my line of thoughts in small as those are trivia details that to me is simply not important to the actual discussion. Hence, I don't see why I'm deserved being called such words which to me is offensive even if it isn't to you. While my speaking may be straight forward line of thoughts based on personal knowledge or facts which may or may not offended you, if I somehow did then sorry on that, however this is simply how I speak in real life in which no one be it be it friends or strangers or my teachers or my clients or my work's bosses have told me off on such nor have I get beaten for such nor did I failed my English in schools exams just because my speaking (oral) style and writing style isn't up to your standards. I don't think that it's a prerequisite to have superior English skills in terms of speaking style which also collerates to writing style as long as the reply are understandable by the receiving other person and free of any vaglar language, it is considered as acceptable which I think that you understand what I reply hence there isn't any language barrier that causes my reply to be uninterpretation. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
@Paper9oll
Thank you for taking the time to respond again. I appreciate the apology, and likewise extend an apology to you if you felt offended, as that wasn’t my intent, either.
I will take time to consider how and where to move forward with editing the “web series” issue, taking your suggestion under advice, before doing anything.
(However, please don’t attempt to predict that others would revert or object the same as you — let them speak for themselves, as their editing priorities may not be the same as yours.)
(The remainder is not a re-discussion of the topic at hand, nor an attempt to regurgitate policy in my own words. It is just well-intentioned feedback from one person to another on improving interpersonal communication.)
As someone who is aware that I sometimes come across as more angry or upset (in real life or online) than I actually am, I know what it’s like to be told to be nicer or calmer. It doesn’t feel nice to be told this. Truly, I know. However, the writer/speaker’s intent does not govern how others will perceive what (and how) they actually say or write. Your tone is often very aggressive, whether you intend it or not, and whether realize it or not, but as the reader, we can only go by what you have actually written, since we cannot access your mind.
For example, writing “what on earth is X?” is much more aggressive than “what do you mean by X?”, and “I’m sorry, I am uncertain what you mean by X, can you clarify?” is much gentler still.
I also totally understand that someone can be having a bad day and respond in a much more aggressive way than they would when in a better mood. Given that you appear to be very sensitive to what people say to you, maybe wait a day or two till it is no longer fresh in your mind, and then re-read your first response to me as if you were the person it was addressed to. You may realize it is much harsher than you intended! (Again, speaking from personal experience, I have revisited forum posts I wrote a week earlier while in a bad mood and thought “damn, what was wrong me when I wrote that?!?”)
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with being direct — that’s basically my style, too. But there’s a fine line between “direct” and “rude”, and you crossed it right in your first reply to me. You say you’re just speaking your thoughts based on your “knowledge and facts”, but the fact is that others have knowledge and facts, too, and they deserve to be heard as well. (It’s especially important to listen/read carefully when someone is telling you you’re mistaken, because they might have more knowledge or experience than you. And if they are actually mistaken in the end, they’ll be much more receptive to your feedback if it’s given in a calm, respectful way rather than with flippant, rude comments.)
I know for a fact that it isn’t just me who has perceived your tone as harsh, impatient, and dismissive, as your talk page archive has several examples of people telling you this, including an administrator warning you to not be dismissive of others. Multiple people have had to ask for clarification because your edit summaries on reverts included no detail whatsoever, which is perceived as disrespectful by many (from their point of view: they made the effort to try and improve the article, but you couldn’t even be bothered to be specific about your objection, giving the impression that you don’t think their work is even worthy of a proper response, even if you didn’t expressly state that). So while I believe you that you don’t intend to come across this way, you may be unaware of just how harsh, impatient, and bossy you appear to others. Making you aware of this isn’t an attack, it’s not to offend you, it’s simply constructive feedback in the hopes that it can help you communicate more effectively.
Your English is excellent, by the way, I never claimed otherwise. If, however, English isn’t your native language, you may choose to take advice from native speakers like me, especially in matters of terminology and connotation. (I do the same with German. I’m a near-native-level speaker, but still there are little things that native speakers have a better feel for than I do, so I defer to them.)
My hope with this feedback is that you will reflect a moment and consider how you can tweak your communication to help achieve WP’s expectation of discussion and consensus-building being friendly, collaborative, and gracious, so that everyone can work happily towards the common goal of making WP even better.
Best regards, — tooki (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Noted, thanks on the feedback. Will take note on my writing and avoid throwing in Singlish-styled questioning into it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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Deletion request for Draft:Zhang Hao (Chinese singer)

Hello, I noticed that someone made another draft for Zhang Hao of Zerobaseone (Draft:Zhang Hao (Chinese singer)) but there is an existing draft already (Draft:Zhang Hao (singer)) and the draft is currently on AFc pending submissions. I'm confussed on how to request deletion, can you help with this? Thank you in advance! Shenaall (talk) 02:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Shenaall, I don't think there is a need to request for the deletion for the former draft as when the latter is accepted then it can change to redirect instead otherwise it will be deleted after 6 months for inactivity. Alternatively, you can merge the contents if applicable from the former to the latter after which redirect the former to the latter. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh okay, understood. Thank you for answering Shenaall (talk) 07:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Status on top right corner

I wonder how to add a status to the right corner on my talk page like what you have on your own. Would you tell me? Thanks! Natsuikomin (talk) 00:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Natsuikomin, the status template involves technical aspects, using a combination of ifeq, if, and switch logic on both the frontend and backend. It operates based on my predetermined personal schedule, which may or may not be accurate. If the condition is met, it returns online, offline, or busy. I appreciate your interest in the template. However, I'm unable to provide further details as the entire template is complicated and challenging to explain in layman terms. At this point in time, I neither confirm nor deny any immediate plans to introduce a version that is reusable for other interested users. Thank you for your understanding and happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Aight, thanks for answering. Natsuikomin (talk) 14:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Moon Ga-young

Hello, you removed my edit and i come to you because maybe you can help me. Hello, i added clear information since, i get this information from another page from this site itself, it can be seen also on the Site Asia Artist Award and from official broadcast on youtube but yes i forgot to added since it's my first time to do such a thing. Should i redo again and add this extra source ? or maybe help to add it with this https://www.asiaartistawards.com/winner/2023 Ryuugu1982 (talk) 19:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ryuugu1982, the source listed above is usable as primary source however finding a secondary reliable source is preferred. Do note on unreliable source listed under WP:KO/RS#UR and WP:RSPSS when finding for secondary reliable source. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 19:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, i don't have other source other than from this official site of Asia Artist Award and the official broadcast on youtube but even if it's from official channel, youtube seems unreliable from the list you gave to me. Ryuugu1982 (talk) 20:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
@Ryuugu1982 I seen that you had added it using AAA official website, in addition to, secondary reliable news sources. However, do note that you checked WP:MINOR edit, in which, this type of edit isn't considered as such, hence something to take note on moving forward. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure to understand well, now i just have to not check WP:MINOR minor edit and it's good ?
I just wanted to see this profile to be updated and didn't though it was so strict. Ryuugu1982 (talk) 22:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
@Ryuugu1982 Yes, as per WP:MINOR. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 23:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about "Running Man" episodes 2024

Hi,

I recently noticed the Running Man (Korea) episode labeled as "686" that aired on December 31, 2023 was considered as a "special" according to SBS, which you can clearly see here: https://programs.sbs.co.kr/enter/runningman/vods/55286 (it is the third from the top). That means episodes in 2024 begin with 686. I've made the change in the 2023 episodes and that hasn't been touched. However, I also made the changes in the 2024 episodes putting the 686 (aired on January 7, 2024) and 687 (aired on January 14, 2024). Since then, several users have made more changes with the episode numbers and is back to the wrong ones. Not sure how to make the changes so they actually stick. Any ideas or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks! Cdvmty (talk) 15:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cdvmty I've reverted the changes made by the IPs and added a note. If this WP:DISRUPTIVE EDITING behavior continues, you may want to consider requesting protection at WP:RPPI. Engaging in an WP:EDITWAR may not yield positive outcomes hence don't waste your efforts in dealing with them. Alternatively, you may also revert them and issue disruptive editing warning (L1 to L4) before reporting them to WP:AIV. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure this is a disruptive editing behavior. I've seen it in the past in other pages and this time it might be an issue with the way SBS released the last episode of 2023. Many sites who upload the video just numbered it as "686" because that was the next number in the sequence, so when SBS labeled it as a "special", I'm sure it threw many people off as of now all those sites are off-sequence with the numbering.
Something similar happened to me during my edits of "Immortal Songs" and it took a while for people to realize I had the correct numbering based on the KBS website. At least, I'm hoping this is also the case with "Running Man" and not the usual annoying bots who try to mess things up.
I'll keep an eye on how things go after these changes.
Thanks for the quick reply! Cdvmty (talk) 16:09, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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Gehlee and Elisia

Hello, Paper9oll! Can you help me with a matter concerning the wikipedia pages for Universe Ticket contestants / Unis members Elisia and Gehlee Dangca? I believe these two pages were created in the mainspace prematurely and lack notability per WP:NBANDMEMBER but I'm not sure how to proceed with either proposing these articles for deletion or moving them into draft space. Can you help me with this? Thank you for all your contributions to K-pop on Wikipedia! Sunny Nights (talk) 23:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Sunny Nights, I have reviewed both articles, both are WP:TOOSOON and don't meet WP:GNG, WP:NBLP, WP:SINGER, and WP:BANDMEMBER criteria showing no significant coverage for individual notability from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject apart from passing mentions from Universe Ticket's related reportings. I have moved both articles to draftspace. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Thanks for fixing the archive numbers so quickly! 128.164.177.55 (talk) 16:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

No problem! Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:43, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Momoland

Hello, I apologize for mis-citing Daisy's video. I am new to Wikipedia, so I wanted to ask as someone who follows the Momoland page I was wondering if you think those points Daisy made (what she auditioned with, how she didn't want to be a rapper, etc) were relevant to the page. I want to edit it again, this time sourcing an article about Daisy's videos but I just want to make sure other people think that it is relevant to the article as a whole. Richiemr, 06:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Richiemr As stated clearly on your talk page, you didn't provide reliable source. Adding a source is not equal to providing a reliable source; this is a common misconception. Additionally, TikTok is certainly not a reliable source either as per WP:UCG. Please provide secondary independent reliable source, preferably in the form of news articles. Take note of the list of sources considered unreliable per WP:KO/RS#UR and WP:RSPSS. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Recent revert on Felix (rapper)

Hello Paper9oll, I'm wondering if you revert my edit last time on [15] because the source is not reliable enough or is it because of other reasons? Can you tell me the reason so I can do better edit next time? Thank you. Shenaall (talk) 03:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Shenaall You need to ask Sarisklaris at their talk page instead. However, looking through the changes you made that were subsequently reverted by Sarisklaris, you violated WP:VERIFY policy by adding failed verification content meaning your material doesn't tally and/or not supported by the sourcing. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
@Paper9oll Thank you for the respond. I also asked on Sarisklaris talk page, and still waiting for their respond. As for your opinion about WP:Verify, I already added the citation which is on Xsportsnews website. Xsport News is considered reliable acccording to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Korea/Reliable_sources. So I'm wondering if I really did wrong edits or they're just messing with me... Shenaall (talk) 07:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
@Shenaall As mentioned above, you violated the WP:VERIFY policy by adding content that failed verification, indicating that the material that you wrote doesn't align with and/or is not explicitly supported by the provided sources i.e. Xports News. It's important to note that adding a reliable source doesn't give you the authority to write whatever you want, even if the sourcing doesn't explicitly state so; this is a common misconception. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh, understood. So that means Xports News at that source didn't confirm the fact that Felix is a 3 degree belt taekwondo. They just passing-mention about how Felix mentioned it in a sentence. Am I right?? So WP:VERIFY means you must have the citation source that actually confirm/verify the fact of the materials and not just passing mention of how the subject 'boast' about the material? Shenaall (talk) 08:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
@Shenaall Yes correct. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Okay, thank you so much for your guidance! Shenaall (talk) 08:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Thanks a lot for removing "time slot" on Korean drama articles' lead. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 16:37, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
@98Tigerius Thanks you! Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Revert on List of Inkigayo Chart winners (2024)

Hi. Just wondering why you removed my edit to the List of Inkigayo Chart winners (2024) page? I used the Citation Needed which is still allowed, nothing says that I can't use that template if I don't have a citation myself. Not sure if I missed something in the pages you sent...Taorenxuan (talk) 23:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Taorenxuan, as per WP:BURDEN. It is your responsibility to provide inline citation to ensure the content that you added are WP:VERIFIABLE, if there isn't any sourcing available then you shouldn't even be added it here as per WP:VERIFY and WP:NOT. It's important to note that adding {{Citation needed}} doesn't give you the authority to add whatever content you want; this is a common misconception. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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Revert of Rowoon

Dear Paperdoll,

May I know what do you mean by "blurry mess"? The photo that I uploaded wasn't blurry. Kindly justify why do you keep disallowing changes of Rowoon's profiles on this page, even when I used his korean wiki page photo available in wikicommon, it was also taken off.

Rgds, MK4ewsbdi (talk) 07:07, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@MK4ewsbdi It is clearly a "blurry mess" with its low resolution and there isn't any evidence that the image belongs to you even though you self-proclaimed as "own work". Regardless, the current image in the Infobox isn't broken hence don't fix it. Newer is not equals to better. Also read MOS:IMAGELEAD. — 🧧🍊 Paper9oll 🍊🧧 (🔔 • 📝) 07:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
My dear paper doll,
There is a full high resolution of it on WikiCommons, however, when I uploaded and changed it, it took up the entire page of wikipedia, even when I changed the ratio to 0.2. So I changed the size of the original cut down to 25% of the resolution and reuploaded to fit in. So if you can tell me how to change the size ratio of the original high resolution of pixel 2254x4000 pixels to fit into the ratio allowed by wikipedia?
regarding the evidence, what evidence do you want? I own the S23 Ultra which was used to take the photo. I paid for my flight and hotel and flew to Bangkok to see him in the Bangkok fanmeet personally on 27 Jan in ThunderDome Bangkok and took the photo myself from my seat. I went there to take a photo so that I can change the old one in wikipedia. What other evidence do you want? I have already uploaded both versions into wikicommon.
Your response is much appreciated. Also, you didn't reply me why the first time i tried to change his profile to the one used in korean wikipedia page (available in wikicommon), it was also taken down by you. That photo was free for use too.
Rgds MK4ewsbdi (talk) 08:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
@MK4ewsbdi No need for lengthy explanations. Follow the instructions outlined on the file's page on Commons to submit the necessary permissions. Additionally, the image you uploaded is indeed of low resolution and/or low quality and has a watermark despite self-proclaiming as "free for use". There are older images for the subject in Commons that are better, and as stated earlier, newer is not equals better. — 🧧🍊 Paper9oll 🍊🧧 (🔔 • 📝) 08:45, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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Im Yoon-ah

Why revert? PoisonHK (talk) 14:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@PoisonHK What is the rationale behind your changes then? Please provide an explanation while citing relevant Wikipedia's policies and/or guidelines to demonstrate your understanding. — 🧧🍊 Paper9oll 🍊🧧 (🔔 • 📝) 14:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

reverse of my edit in Fifty Fifty

Hello, Paper9oll I am Nelson, you have earlier remove my edit in Fifty Fifty Just want to inquire you, am I allowed to add it back once I found a more reliable source? Once that happens, hope you can review and see whether to keep it or not NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@NelsonLee20042020 Hi, I'm fine with it as long as you have reliable source(s) that isn't low quality like mustsharenews. And hopefully, your other reliable sources is CNA or The Strait Times if you are aiming for SG sources. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying with me. Happy editing to you NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Welcome! Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Consensus at WT:MOS?

Hello. In this edit summary you referred to an apparent consensus at WT:MOS regarding the use of stylization notes. If that happened, I'm all for it, but I can't find it. Would you be able to provide the link? Ss112 06:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ss112, please refer to Special:Permalink/1088443179#MOS:TMSTYLE as requested. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Born Pink world tour

Hello, i just got your message regarding the changes on the Born Pink world tour page. I deleted the text because it's hateful, Le Parisien uploaded the article about Blackpink without giving reasonable reasons as to why they rated the show so poorly with some arguments complaining about Jennie leaving the stage for a minute while in reality it was due to a wardrobe malfunction. Unfortunately, i wasn't at their show but i do know loads of people who did go and only had positive stuff so say. This is why i would prefer for it not to be on the website.

Kind regards 212.92.69.137 (talk) 19:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@212.92.69.137 Please note that Wikipedia is not censored. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 19:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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  • The Special:Book page (as well as the associated "Create a book" functionality) provided by the old Collection extension has been removed from all Wikisource wikis, as it was broken. This does not affect the ability to download normal books, which is provided by the Wikisource extension. [46]
  • Wikitech now uses the next-generation Parsoid wikitext parser by default to generate all pages in the Talk namespace. Report any problems on the Known Issues discussion page. You can use the ParserMigration extension to control the use of Parsoid; see the ParserMigration help documentation for more details.
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Genre on OEC

How is dreampop a main genre of odd eye circle ??? Femmedesoja (talk) 19:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Femmedesoja I have reverted further as neither "dream-pop" nor "alternative R&B" are sourced in the Infobox and/or lead and/or body which is required as per WP:VERIFY and/or documentation. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Clarify one thing

Hello, Paper9oll, you mentioned in the article ILLIT that, "rather confused why did you decided to edit a older revision and undid couple of constructive changes such as date fixing" while reverting my edits (before you restore some of them). I want to inform you that its because some of my edits were made after i move by copy paste, and after the copy paste move was reversed, some of my edits made disappeared, so I am just adding back the version which I remember, and under the filmography section, I just put the citation needed since there could be reliable sources out there and we can add in without having to remove entirely NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

If there are certain things I must have removed not on purpose while doing this, I offer my apologies for what happen NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 19:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@NelsonLee20042020 Kindly refrain from doing so moving forward on every articles of such scenario, if you want to restore your "deleted" content from reverted revision, simply go to View history, find your edit (e.g. 17:43, March 10, 2024 NelsonLee20042020 (talk|contribs) on Illit (group)), click the date which should load the revision, click Edit, copy the selected changes that you want to restore, open new tab for the same article but load the live version (i.e. not the older revision that you already opened in the previous tab), click Edit, and paste the copied material earlier, check and verify your changes for any errors before publishing, and there you have your "deleted" content restored.
In addition, please don't add unsourced materials to the article as per WP:BURDEN, it's your responsibility to provide reliable source, and tagging them with {{Citation needed}} would only give other editors (like newly joined and/or IPs) the impression that it's okay to do so when it isn't. If there is no intention that you want to add the missing citations in the preceding edit, kindly don't add the materials. Do also note that, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Ok sure. I did not have the meaning to give the wrong signal, and glad that you also heard me out on what I have to say about the {{Citation needed}}. Wish you happy editing.
I note that you really active in editing content related to Kpop, and myself also a avid Kpop fan, even though I mostly focused on crime writing.
NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
@NelsonLee20042020 Same to you, happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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  • After consulting with various communities, the line height of the text on the Minerva skin will be increased to its previous value of 1.65. Different options for typography can also be set using the options in the menu, as needed. [54]
  • The active link color in Minerva will be changed to provide more consistency with our other platforms and best practices. [55]
  • Structured data on Commons will no longer ask whether you want to leave the page without saving. This will prevent the “information you’ve entered may not be saved” popups from appearing when no information have been entered. It will also make file pages on Commons load faster in certain cases. However, the popups will be hidden even if information has indeed been entered. If you accidentally close the page before saving the structured data you entered, that data will be lost. [56]

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SBS Running Man Main Episode list

Hello there! i saw you message me about the SBS Running Man Main Episode list that you reverted. i just want to discuss about that.

i use the source straight from the SBS Site, especially AllVOD SBS that had VOD of Running man that separated Special Episode from the main list and was not listed as "686회" or "Episooe 686", and i would think that you make a mistake about reverting it, since using info from the actual SBS Website should be counted as source. if i'm using info/source outside SBS Website and outside confirmed news on korean news/info site, i'm fine with it. but since i'm using SBS website for the confirmed episode list number of running man, it shouldn't be reverted from what i have seen. 149.113.218.148 (talk) 01:46, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@149.113.218.148  Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

BLP article: Moonbin and Daum Fan Club sourcing

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Can I ask why you keep removing my information regarding moonbin? I'm not violating anything and I'm extremely offended as a fan of his that you'd state so. The information I am providing came from his mother via his management company Fantagio music. I will not hesitate to report this to Wikipedia if this keeps happening as this seems like a deliberate attempt to hide the truth about the rumours. JKJeonEuphoria (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi 92.8.37.232 turned JKJeonEuphoria, you made an edit concerning content related to a deceased person on Moonbin, but you didn't support your controversial changes with reliable sources, do note that providing a source is not considered as provided a reliable source especially when the citation you provided is blogs which is unreliable for BLP articles usage. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. Lastly, as you have been informed here, ignoring this by disruptive editing would be treated as WP:IDHT and/or WP:DISRUPTSIGNS. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
the source I provided is not a blog, it is fantagio's official platform for sharing information regarding Astro, that is the most valid source possible and like I said, if this information keeps being removed I will have to take this further with Wikipedia. JKJeonEuphoria (talk) 14:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
@JKJeonEuphoria As stated above, if you read it. Please proceed then with "I will have to take this further with Wikipedia" as I'm very much interested on the expected outcome. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
fine, I'll do that. Bullying grieving people and attacking the page of a deceased person is disgusting so I will take this further as I see you as nothing more than someone happy to disrespect the dead. Do not respond further. JKJeonEuphoria (talk) 14:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
@JKJeonEuphoria Maybe you didn't read the warning placed above on my talk page, making any form of false accusations and/or personal attacks will not be tolerated, such actions as you did above will be reported to an administrator for further actions. And as per talk page guidelines, you are not to removed and/or deleted any discussions and/or comments once there are replies by any parties, this discussion will be archived automatically by bots after 24 hours of inactivity. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
i am in contact with Wikipedia directly and will not respond further. JKJeonEuphoria (talk) 14:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
@JKJeonEuphoria Noted, thanks you! Alternatively, you can look for help at WP:TEAHOUSE or WP:HELPDESK. Either which, I will not be responding to, unless I was specially WP:PINGed. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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Notability of One More Chance (Super Junior song)

Hello, I've just noticed that you've recently flagged this article for not meeting notability standards. I noticed that I may have overlooked a detail prior to creating this article.

I have now added the charts to meet the requirements of the criteria as per stated in Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Recordings, where the said single has appeared in their national chart.

Could you please review it again? Thanks in advance! Ghazlan-airplanes (talk) 14:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ghazlan-airplanes  Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Ten's Japanese album sales

Hi.I've edited it based on an update from oricon by Ten's fan club. Total sales in Japan are 7,599 albums. Is that just total sales? Because it has never been updated before. I'm sorry if I missed it. And could you please send me the details of the total number of albums you can count: 10,229? Please. Sorry if there's anything wrong. Kuromi10 (talk) 06:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kuromi10 You cannot just change the figures however you please without providing new reliable source(s), the existing figures are tally of the figures provided by the supporting inline citations. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I'm new to this site. But I also want to know and get it right. Because I'm his fanclub.
for my reference
https://x.com/tenlee_team/status/1769166909394895035?s=20
can I ask? How can I see the total number of albums sold? I really want to know because it's so important. And I'm new to this. Kuromi10 (talk) 06:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
@Kuromi10 As stated, "the existing figures are tally of the figures provided by the supporting inline citations", which you are view by simply selecting the inline citations. And fyi, Twitter/X is not considered as reliable source per WP:UGC. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
You said you were watching. Just select the inline reference.
I would like to ask for advice on viewing. Or is there any website where you can clearly see album totals? please.
The link I sent you is from X
But it's his fan club house. which I think is reliable They are responsible for keeping information up to date. Kuromi10 (talk) 06:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
@Kuromi10 I believe that I already told you on how to view it. If there is any technical difficulties and/or any other reasons that prevented such then I cannnot help you on such. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry, as I said before. I'm new to this website.
I just thought you had all the information in one place.
But please ask for more information. Did you include the album disc with the downloaded album? in 10,299 albums Kuromi10 (talk) 07:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
@Kuromi10 Wikipedia data is sourced using reliable sources by editors like me and you. The figures wasn't added by me but by other editors that has provided inline citations and has been verified as stated above twice otherwise it would have been reverted as deliberately introducing factual errors and/or failed verification. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:13, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
I am very sorry for my mistake. I am truly sorry for such stupidity in dealing with this website. But please forgive me. I'm still a beginner at playing. I will be careful not to make this mistake again. Kuromi10 (talk) 07:26, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
@Kuromi10 No need to feel sorry. It's normal for such things to happen as a beginner. Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your kindness.
But may I ask more?
We will talk about this from the link you mentioned on page 53.
link 1 is to download the 744 DL album.
link 2 1628 albums
Link 3 has 7,599 albums.
I'm not sure if the second and third links are separate. Or the amount in the third link will be combined with the second link.
But if we don't include the second and third album links, the total would be 9,227 albums, not including the first download link. If you put them all together The total number of albums will be 9971.
That's not yet 10,229 albums. There might be information in the fourth link, but I can't open the fourth link.
I don't think you customized information about the album. But I want to know Can you suggest how to access the information in your fourth link? Kuromi10 (talk) 07:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
@Kuromi10 You need to subscribe to Oricon service to access the last link, this is unfortunately not free of charge. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the information.
But can you tell me how much the total is in the fourth link?
If not, that's okay.
You've helped me enough. Kuromi10 (talk) 07:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
@Kuromi10 You can minus 10229 from 9971, you would get 258. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. Kuromi10 (talk) 07:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
No problem! Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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Draft:Rescene

I have created Draft:Rescene, is there a way that you can at least improve the article and you can help me? HongLock (talk) 02:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@HongLock  Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Jang Da-ah

Hello! @Paper9oll, i already submitted the draft for Jang Da-ah, if there's anything else that needs to be fixed, you can dissuss it with me or you can help fixed it. Aidillia (talk) 12:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@Aidillia the subject is too soon for mainspace and currently does not meets the WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR criteria showing lack of significant coverage from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject other passing mention from Jang Won-young's related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Jang Won-young. I have proceeded to decline your submission, retry again in 6 months to 1 year time if the situation changes. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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