User talk:Theohms

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Original research at Essenes

I've reverted you there as I see no independent secondary sources meeting our criteria at WP:RS making the connection you've made. Many new editors don't understand that we do not allow original thinking or building an argument using two sources neither of which supports the argument directly. This is of course done normally in academia, but we don't allow it and call it original research. We also ask editors to avoid commentary, eg calling something "serious", "unfortunate", etc. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch. I made all these errors when I started, it's just part of the learning process. Doug Weller talk 11:28, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for your love of truth. Not my connection btw. An editor (details copied below) 6 years ago attributed the connections to two sources. The first source is Manimekalai. The second is a 1982 Weil article about the Cananite sect. The Knanaya are especially assertive of Jewishness and have taken to self publishing and rumoring their legends on numerous Wiki pages. A twitter post from a Hindu nationalist that called the Manimekalai claim a lie prompted me to review the relevant Canto 27 (interesting in its own right) I saw references to followers of Vedism, Shivaism, Non-dualism, Vishnuism, Mimamsa, Samkhya, Vaisheshika, Materialists, Ajivikas, and Nirgranthas but no reference to "Issani." I used the word "unfortunate" to flag the argument for gatekeeping more than anything. My point is the Essenes-Manimekalai and related narratives have been largely uncontested on the Essenes page for more than a decade and should not have passed your gatekeeping criteria. Also it is unfortunate that people who are full or part Indian would misrepresent sources to suggest otherwise as it seems to be the case here. Lies are unfortunate on wikipedia and everywhere. There is an anthology by Bosco Puthur with essays from various scholars about Jews and Christians in the Sangam era. I had a copy before but I did not see a reference to the Essenes at first glance. If that secondary source corroborates perhaps an older translation of the Manimekalai that refers to the "Issani" then perhaps the matter is not closed. Theohms (talk) 18:06, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

(22:30, 21 April 2012‎ 96.242.163.228 (talk)): "The Saint Thomas Christians ("Nasrani") of southwestern India may have connections with the Essenes, according to the Manimekalai, one of the great Tamil epic poems, which refers to a people called "Issani".[55] The high presence of Cohen DNA amongst today's Nazareans make further support to the full or part Essene origin of the Malabar Nazareans. The Essenes were often of Levite or Cohen heritage and this may further explain the frequent 'priestly heritage' claims of several Nazerean(sic) families of India.[56]"